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  • 04-13-2012, 10:19 PM
    Bruise Brothers Dad
    Villaraigosa says L.A. must lay off 'a large number of people' - latimes.com Seems it was not too long ago Mike Antonivich announced that the city of LA also paid 1.2 billion per year on illegals welfare and medical. How does this system work??? Fer christ sake when is this government going to start making sense, especially with our tax dollars..
  • 04-13-2012, 09:46 PM
    2manymustangs
    Quote Originally Posted by zombie View Post
    I was being funny Geez ??? I missed this, Im glad you clarified your jib...


    Nothing against Ann Romney she seems like a nice lady. I don't know how long she has been afflicted. But poor and middle class mothers have these types of problems too. Obviously a much more difficult situation for them than for a multi-millionaire's wife.
    So when hypocritics like Romney and the wealthy rightie congressmen come out against easily afforable and no pre-existing conditions exemption health care when they have the best health care tax money or their own money can buy .....people are put off by it.



    Who is going to pay the delta between what a homeless guy can afford and what the "easily affordable/no pre-existing condition" actually cost Z??? You and ME??? We are already paying more than we can afford for medicaid peeps...
  • 04-13-2012, 12:48 PM
    Boss460
    Quote Originally Posted by carreradude View Post
    I dissagree with your claim hospitals are to blame. I blame the government. They are allowing illegals to flood the ER and not pay a dime. Get them the hell out of our country and the problem is solved. We will also save in other areas as well with those money suckers gone!!
    Didn't say or mean hospitals were to blame completely. Just the way they charge and get paid. That involves the insurance company too and the government because of how ERs are required to treat patients under EMTALA. Instead of passing Obamacare, they should have amended EMTALA as part of their health care agenda. EMTALA forced hospitals to transfer the burden of costs from the people that can't pay to those that can. Now Obamacare is trying to do the same thing. EMTALA was Obamacare version 1.0. Since they didn't like how the costs of healthcare were being shifted by the hospitals, the government got involved again and passed Obamacare to shift it another way to see if it works better. How about they just get their nose out of it since we didn't have near this big of a problem till they started getting involved back in the 80s. Some 55% of emergency care goes unpaid. Ugh rant over for now.
  • 04-13-2012, 12:35 PM
    carreradude
    Quote Originally Posted by Boss460 View Post
    That's not what is broke about the healthcare system. Getting government involved is the worst thing possible. The problems stem from how hospitals charge and get paid. That's what needs fixing. But that's a whole other thread. Making people buy health insurance so there's more on insurance isn't a fix.

    I want to retain employees. That's important too. Bottom line on expenses is important, but also in the exact opposite way you are thinking. Spending more on health insurance increases my expenses which lowers my tax liability which is also important.

    And yes the $608 per month insurance is the kind of insurance that makes hospitals want to assign you a personal ass wiper. Just trying to show you that #1 it's not just millionaires that have lavish insurance plans since even my lowest employees making $10 an hour have this kind of coverage. And #2 it ain't cheap.





    By the way, insurance companies typically age bracket the premiums instead of doing a cost average anymore. I pay $280 for males in their 20s, $440 for females in their 20s and $922 for someone in their late 50s (After child bearing age is passed, premiums between male and female get a lot closer). If this isn't incentive to discriminate based on age and sex in hiring, I have no idea what would be. I'm sure it happens quite a bit. And the average age of my employees is 42, so no I don't discriminate. I prefer older employees that are past that period of "stupid" everyone goes through. But imagine the employers out there that have a job a monkey could do. I'm sure there's a horrible amount of discriminating going on there. Someone in their 60s needing some supplemental income in retirement doesn't have a chance at that job.



    I dissagree with your claim hospitals are to blame. I blame the government. They are allowing illegals to flood the ER and not pay a dime. Get them the hell out of our country and the problem is solved. We will also save in other areas as well with those money suckers gone!!
  • 04-13-2012, 12:22 PM
    Boss460
    Quote Originally Posted by zombie View Post
    So the question would be is the increased "Canadian" taxes be less than what you are paying now? Seems they would be, since it is spread around millions of taxpayers. Many more payers than your Health Ins plan draws from and there would probably be a different healthy vs sick ratio of users. Anyway it is great you want the best for your employees at any cost. However, many other empolyers would be very happy with the route of the least employee costs incurred. Bottom line on expenses is important !
    That's not what is broke about the healthcare system. Getting government involved is the worst thing possible. The problems stem from how hospitals charge and get paid. That's what needs fixing. But that's a whole other thread. Making people buy health insurance so there's more on insurance isn't a fix.

    I want to retain employees. That's important too. Bottom line on expenses is important, but also in the exact opposite way you are thinking. Spending more on health insurance increases my expenses which lowers my tax liability which is also important.

    And yes the $608 per month insurance is the kind of insurance that makes hospitals want to assign you a personal ass wiper. Just trying to show you that #1 it's not just millionaires that have lavish insurance plans since even my lowest employees making $10 an hour have this kind of coverage. And #2 it ain't cheap.





    By the way, insurance companies typically age bracket the premiums instead of doing a cost average anymore. I pay $280 for males in their 20s, $440 for females in their 20s and $922 for someone in their late 50s (After child bearing age is passed, premiums between male and female get a lot closer). If this isn't incentive to discriminate based on age and sex in hiring, I have no idea what would be. I'm sure it happens quite a bit. And the average age of my employees is 42, so no I don't discriminate. I prefer older employees that are past that period of "stupid" everyone goes through. But imagine the employers out there that have a job a monkey could do. I'm sure there's a horrible amount of discriminating going on there. Someone in their 60s needing some supplemental income in retirement doesn't have a chance at that job.
  • 04-13-2012, 11:48 AM
    zombie
    Quote Originally Posted by 2manymustangs View Post
    And you know how great Canada is how???


    Say, how do your wives (past/present) feel about your innuendo on being a stay at home mom???

    I never said anything negative about stay at home moms!
    I really think it is the best way for young families . People should live within their means to do best for their children if possible. Some women stay at home while other's want to join the work place and make money, especially women who have paid a lot and worked hard earning a degree.
  • 04-13-2012, 11:41 AM
    zombie
    Quote Originally Posted by Boss460 View Post
    Zombie, zombie, zombie.....I thought you were smarter than this.


    Nothing is free. Or do all the doctors and nurses and other healthcare employees in Canada actually work for no pay? And the money to build and run those hospitals? Who pays the light bill? All voluntary charitable donations by other Canadian citizens?

    Nope, all Canadian citizens are forced to pay taxes in order to supply the socialized healthcare whether they want it or use it or not.


    So basically I have to ask myself the question. Would I rather make the choices of what level of insurance to offer my employees and pay less taxes? Or would I rather pay higher taxes and let the government take care of it so I don't have to worry about it? Me and my employees will take option A and cut the money grubbing politicians out of it.

    So the question would be is the increased "Canadian" taxes be less than what you are paying now? Seems they would be, since it is spread around millions of taxpayers. Many more payers than your Health Ins plan draws from and there would probably be a different healthy vs sick ratio of users. Anyway it is great you want the best for your employees at any cost. However, many other empolyers would be very happy with the route of the least employee costs incurred. Bottom line on expenses is important !
  • 04-13-2012, 11:21 AM
    gn7
    Quote Originally Posted by Boss460 View Post
    Zombie, zombie, zombie.....I thought you were smarter than this.

    .

    And I thought you were smarter than to ever post something like that!



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  • 04-13-2012, 10:52 AM
    2manymustangs
    Quote Originally Posted by zombie View Post
    Do you know if your company was located in Canada where they have socialized healthcare, would you not have to pay anything for your employees healthcare ? Seems to me if that is so all business owners should welcome socialized healthcare.
    And you know how great Canada is how???


    Say, how do your wives (past/present) feel about your innuendo on being a stay at home mom???
  • 04-13-2012, 10:36 AM
    J. Shelfo Sr.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boss460 View Post
    Zombie, zombie, zombie.....I thought you were smarter than this.


    Nothing is free. Or do all the doctors and nurses and other healthcare employees in Canada actually work for no pay? And the money to build and run those hospitals? Who pays the light bill? All voluntary charitable donations by other Canadian citizens?

    Nope, all Canadian citizens are forced to pay taxes in order to supply the socialized healthcare whether they want it or use it or not.


    So basically I have to ask myself the question. Would I rather make the choices of what level of insurance to offer my employees and pay less taxes? Or would I rather pay higher taxes and let the government take care of it so I don't have to worry about it? Me and my employees will take option A and cut the money grubbing politicians out of it.
    Excellent explination Boss. Government workers have no idea about how things really work. You know, the government will take care of everything , for free.
  • 04-13-2012, 10:25 AM
    Bruise Brothers Dad
    Quote Originally Posted by zombie View Post
    Do you know if your company was located in Canada where they have socialized healthcare, would you not have to pay anything for your employees healthcare ? Seems to me if that is so all business owners should welcome socialized healthcare.
    You know what you get when you pay nothing for something???? NOTHING. Pretty simple
  • 04-13-2012, 10:19 AM
    thatguy
    Quote Originally Posted by zombie View Post
    Do you know if your company was located in Canada where they have socialized healthcare, would you not have to pay anything for your employees healthcare ? Seems to me if that is so all business owners should welcome socialized healthcare.
    LOL!!!

    I guess you are unfamiliar with Canadian tax rates??
  • 04-13-2012, 10:16 AM
    Boss460
    Quote Originally Posted by zombie View Post
    Do you know if your company was located in Canada where they have socialized healthcare, would you not have to pay anything for your employees healthcare ? Seems to me if that is so all business owners should welcome socialized healthcare.
    Zombie, zombie, zombie.....I thought you were smarter than this.


    Nothing is free. Or do all the doctors and nurses and other healthcare employees in Canada actually work for no pay? And the money to build and run those hospitals? Who pays the light bill? All voluntary charitable donations by other Canadian citizens?

    Nope, all Canadian citizens are forced to pay taxes in order to supply the socialized healthcare whether they want it or use it or not.


    So basically I have to ask myself the question. Would I rather make the choices of what level of insurance to offer my employees and pay less taxes? Or would I rather pay higher taxes and let the government take care of it so I don't have to worry about it? Me and my employees will take option A and cut the money grubbing politicians out of it.
  • 04-13-2012, 10:13 AM
    WMorton
    I lived in an area (Palm Desert-Palm Springs) that had many residents of Canada. All the resident's-snowbirds I have ever talked to hate the heathcare system in Canada...hate it!!! In fact, when they had health issues they would come to the U.S. to have a precedure done. I was told that Spain had a good socialized healthcare system, but have not heard this from any residents, only liberals who were pro-socialized medicine.
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