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I'm glad this worked out for you. Dave and Angie are great people and put out a very nice product.
I wanted to follow up on why I started this thread. First off a couple of members offered to get in touch with Dave's, if you did, Thank you. After a couple emails back and forth I got the build sheets from Daves. They asked for a couple bucks to cover their end which I sent promptly and they sent the info promptly. EVERYTHING they did was documented just as you would expect from a good shop, everything they did but also what they didn't do. Turns out they only did the short block not "built and assembled by Dave's" as the original add stated. This was exactly why I went looking for the build info to begin with as the sellers add info was looking more and more like bullshit. Even after they sent the build sheets Angie contacted me to clear up some questions I had. Like several have pointed out I wasn't their customer but customer service is worth much more in good will than they made on this engine. I might be a long way from them but they have my vote if anyone needs work done. Thanks again to anyone who intervened on my behalf. Still haven't got the flow sheets or top end info from the seller and he runs a head service shop, almost 3 months after the sale. That,too, is customer service just not the right kind. That might be another thread. Thanks again to Dave's Engine and to anyone who stepped in to help out.
Originally Posted by 5sangers I hope this thread hasn't gotten to where anyone thinks I'm bashing Dave's. The reason for the original question was the deafening silence of the phone. I am 2500 miles from his shop, checked his website, its a beautiful shop. You can put anything online, my son has shown me pics of chics on facebook that look like SI swimsuit models , the real pic looks like Hog Farmers Digest. I just wanted to see if Dave's was for real. And thanks to those who have confirmed that. I really didn't think build sheets would be such an issue, I've got every invoice from the day I opened my shop January 4. 1988. Thanks guys, end of the day today the teardown starts if the phone doesn't go off. Let you know the outcome. I'd send him an email... sometimes it's easier to get ahold of folks, or at least what you are looking for that way. If he has a nice website, he should have a email addy listed.
I hope this thread hasn't gotten to where anyone thinks I'm bashing Dave's. The reason for the original question was the deafening silence of the phone. I am 2500 miles from his shop, checked his website, its a beautiful shop. You can put anything online, my son has shown me pics of chics on facebook that look like SI swimsuit models , the real pic looks like Hog Farmers Digest. I just wanted to see if Dave's was for real. And thanks to those who have confirmed that. I really didn't think build sheets would be such an issue, I've got every invoice from the day I opened my shop January 4. 1988. Thanks guys, end of the day today the teardown starts if the phone doesn't go off. Let you know the outcome.
Dave is a very good engine builder and he's done a lot of work for me. I know from experience that if he built it, it came with a build sheet that showed every clearance, every tolerance, engine balance spec and every bolt torque/stretch with dyno numbers if it was a complete build. The problem is he only does the engine building/dynoing and he doesn't handle any of the business/phone stuff. Angie handles the counter/phones/cylinder heads and is a new mom on top of all that, so she's really to busy to handle it all. It doesn't surprise me she hasn't called back. The best bet is to go by the shop and talk to them if you really want the paperwork. Personally, if I KNEW Dave built it, I'd run it. If he only did the machining or part of the build, take it apart and measure/check everything yourself. A set of gaskets is pretty cheap insurance....
Originally Posted by Infomaniac Engine shop has no obligation to you. you were not the customer.
It's possible the seller is a good customer of theirs and does not want to tell you something different than the seller did. No obligation... true... but it never hurts to help someone out with some info on an engine you built... I mean there is a little pride and hard work that went into it... and if the new guy is happy with it and the service... perhaps he'll bring it back when it needs to be rebuilt. I've had people call and ask for information on builds done years ago for someone they bought the boat/car/engine from... it really is not a big deal... and though it may take up some time, it doesn't hurt to be helpful... but it does help to keep good records. Email is typically the best way to get that sort of info... build sheets and such.
As for the second statement... I'd be leery of a shop that would be willing to cover a customer's story on what was done if it was anything but the truth... not cool... pretty shady actually.
Not saying that is what this fella is doing... perhaps he's just totally slammed... or the phone is fucked up... or some personal issues to deal with... who knows, unless you stop on by and talk to him face to face.
edit: Just noticed this guy is on the other side of the country... I'd see if he has an email and go that route... or even send a letter... but the email route seems to work best for me... because no matter how busy I get, in the morning, I always check my email and answer back... lot less intrusive on the work day then the damn phone ringing away and answering it. Good luck.
I would never expect a builder to make good on anything that has been in someone else's hands. The seller was supposed to send flow numbers and build info and "whatever other paperwork I have". with the engine. Got nothing either shipped with the engine or since despite calls and email. "Mallory electronic ignition", no ignition box an Msd coil and a distributor with Pertronix guts. "Add 12 volts ,fuel and your headers" and run it. Fuel pressure regulator is gone ,no starter(which I specifically asked about and finally came several weeks later) no ignition box. Could be just me but I owned a CNC shop and if I didn't answer the phone, soon I was not working .That is my only issue concerning Dave's not questioning his ability or workmanship. I would like nothing than for him to tell me this engine is everything the seller says, so I could run the hell out of it and have a comfort level I sure as hell don't have now. With all the other stuff that was supposed to be included and wasn't I wonder if Dave's even did any work on the engine and that's why no call back. Guy's probably wondering who this idiot is from the other side of the country calling.
5sangers, noting wrong at all wanting to verify what someone told you how an engine was built and what was in it.
Heck, if the seller didn't have paperwork and receipts (to me) that right there would be a RAD FLAG.
And, if the builder got all 'hush mouthed' about it and/or blew you-off not about wanting to talk about an engine he built (even for someone else), I'd be concerned about that too.
If there is nothing to hide, then there is 'nothing to hide'.
Of course, I would NEVER expect the builder to be responsible for any problems an engine may or may-not have, that was in the ownership of someone else.
Believe me I understand I was not his customer, that's part of the reason I made the offer to pay him for his time to look up any build info on every voice mail . I looked up his web site before I even called him. I've had shops do engine work for me and most treat their work like they are giving you their child to care for. It would be nice to speak to the young lady but no one returns a call. If I wasn't 2500 miles away I'd be going to talk to the seller in person at his place of business. Thanks for the input so far, I wasn't trying to bad mouth Dave's but wanted to know if he is for real. The guy I bought the engine from has a real nice we sit also. My last conversation with him went "I kinda need to know the specs on this custom grind Comp cam to run the valves". Reply was,"I just set them before I shipped so just stick a feeler gage in there".
Dave and his daughter Angie run a top notch shop, but they are sooooo busy. I can't tell you how many times I have called and no answer........The last time I went by there the phone rang about 30 times in 30 minutes.
5sangers.......p.m. me your contact info and I will pass on the message to them.
Originally Posted by 5sangers Anyone familiar with Dave's engine in Newark Ca. I bought an engine from someone on the boards and haven't been able to get the build info I was promised so I've tried to call Dave's, who were supposed to have built the engine, once a week for about 5 weeks and all I get is the answering machine. Leave a message offering to pay for his time for the info I need and not even a return call. So basically I don't know if the guy has a for real shop or is too busy to let me know if he even built this engine. Any help would be appreciated otherwise I guess its teardown time. I've lost any confidence in the seller. TIA Dave's shop has a good reputation around here. Here is their Yelp link Dave's Engine Machining - Newark, CA
or just do a search and you'll get some good info. You need to talk to Angie.
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Call Dave one last time. Ask if he could build you a pair of 540's for your Skater. Bet that will make your phone ring.
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Originally Posted by east bay dale Same dealio for me. Looking at a sbc in tracy, Dave built it. Call Daves, Left a message, No reply.......... Went for it anyway, Motor runs real strong, Dave has a great rep. around here, Work wise, ebd Glad to hear it! I am not bashing any machinist or shop. I build my own stuff and have never bought a built engine. I will say that I want to know what I have so if the shit hits the fan I have a good idea what to look for! Again I would never bash a shop I am not familiar with!!!! M
Same dealio for me. Looking at a sbc in tracy, Dave built it. Call Daves, Left a message, No reply.......... Went for it anyway, Motor runs real strong, Dave has a great rep. around here, Work wise, ebd