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  • 04-10-2015, 07:15 PM
    thatguy
    Quote Originally Posted by Perry Garand View Post
    Mark 19
    16Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”17“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.18“Which ones?” he inquired.Jesus replied, “ ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony,19honor your father and mother,’c and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’d20“All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”21Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”22When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.23Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven.24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

    ​It's pretty cut and dried.
    i always figured you for an "Ancient Aliens" kind of guy...
  • 04-10-2015, 05:13 PM
    SNiC
    Quote Originally Posted by Perry Garand View Post
    ...​It's pretty cut and dried.
    It is cut and dried only for those individuals who are so shallow that they believe they can grasp a full knowledge and understanding of Christianity from a handful of Bible verses. Theologians spend decades studying the scriptures, and have been doing so for thousands of years, but you are so smart that have it down as simple as 1, 2, 3.
  • 04-10-2015, 04:49 PM
    Perry Garand
    Quote Originally Posted by Forkin' Crazy View Post
    I don't think the Bible has anything about a redistribution of wealth......
    Mark 19
    16Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”17“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.18“Which ones?” he inquired.Jesus replied, “ ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony,19honor your father and mother,’c and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’d20“All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”21Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”22When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.23Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven.24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

    ​It's pretty cut and dried.
  • 04-09-2015, 08:04 PM
    SNiC
    Quote Originally Posted by Perry Garand View Post
    You're not ready to learn the lessons you're needing to be taught.
    Why is that? Please explain....
  • 04-09-2015, 07:58 PM
    Perry Garand
    Quote Originally Posted by SNiC View Post
    If you quote the bible in your attempts to make a point, as you do on regular occasions, it is only natural you should be expected to explain your use of those quotes.
    I am curious as to your "own understanding of the bible". Please enlighten me as I only want to learn....
    You're not ready to learn the lessons you're needing to be taught.
  • 04-09-2015, 07:46 PM
    SNiC
    Quote Originally Posted by Perry Garand View Post
    I have no desire to prove you wrong Snic, I really don't give a shit how you define "neighbor," "enemy," or any other teaching in the Bible. I have my own understanding of the Bible that I don't care to debate with anyone, including you. Like I said, when the time comes, you can explain your interpretation to the Big Guy. IMO I doubt he will see things the way you do, but good luck.
    If you quote the bible in your attempts to make a point, as you do on regular occasions, it is only natural you should be expected to explain your use of those quotes.
    I am curious as to your "own understanding of the bible". Please enlighten me as I only want to learn....
  • 04-09-2015, 07:35 PM
    Perry Garand
    Quote Originally Posted by SNiC View Post
    Do you know of any biblical era definitions of the words "neighbor" or "enemy" that contradicts or presents a different view other than what I posted?
    I am curious because if my understanding of these biblical definitions are in error, I certainly want to know it.

    Here is you chance to debate and prove me wrong..... Go for it!
    I have no desire to prove you wrong Snic, I really don't give a shit how you define "neighbor," "enemy," or any other teaching in the Bible. I have my own understanding of the Bible that I don't care to debate with anyone, including you. Like I said, when the time comes, you can explain your interpretation to the Big Guy. IMO I doubt he will see things the way you do, but good luck.
  • 04-09-2015, 07:16 PM
    SNiC
    Quote Originally Posted by Perry Garand View Post
    Well Snic, I'll let you explain your interpretation to the Big Guy when that time comes.
    Do you know of any biblical era definitions of the words "neighbor" or "enemy" that contradicts or presents a different view other than what I posted?
    I am curious because if my understanding of these biblical definitions are in error, I certainly want to know it.

    Here is you chance to debate and prove me wrong..... Go for it!
  • 04-07-2015, 12:40 PM
    jetjunky
    according to a Lou Dobbs report this morning each individual illegal immigrant child cost us $250.00 per day. (how much did you earn/take home pay today? That's more than I pay my general laborers, welders with all withholdings included by the way) In 2013-14 there were a reported 68,400+ Illegal children that waltzed into this country. That's over 17,100,000.00/day. That's over $6,240,000,000.00 annually just for those children for that year. Now add to that their families because we all know they can't be kept apart for long from their families. So far this year (1/1/15 - 4/7/15) the numbers of children and families has surpassed that and were just entering silly season, I mean migration season. (temps warming up favorably) Do you think the adults cost more or less per day to have here? Now we're going to start importing them by air as though their some beneficial commodity. How awesome is that? Add to that their medical/health care costs and see what you come up with? And their just getting started, we have at least 2 more years of this. Good times for sure. Well, break time is over, gotta get back to work so I can sponsor some OTM (other than mexican) Guatemalan/ El Salvadoran/ Nicaraguan etc. refugee. Have a nice day.
  • 04-07-2015, 10:19 AM
    Forkin' Crazy
    Quote Originally Posted by Perry Garand View Post
    But it does.
    Okay, maybe help thy neighbor, but where does it say to provide a living to those that are too lazy to work? It does not.
  • 04-06-2015, 08:40 PM
    SNiC
    Quote Originally Posted by Perry Garand View Post
    Well Snic, I'll let you explain your interpretation to the Big Guy when that time comes.
    Sorry PG, you do not get off the hook that easy.
    Your going to "let me explain" , thanks your holiness.

    FACT:These are NOT my interpretations. There are many versions of the bible available which validate my posted responses to your attempted gotcha, "love thy neighbor" question. If only you would take the time to read, the answers are there......
  • 04-06-2015, 07:29 PM
    Perry Garand
    Quote Originally Posted by SNiC View Post

    If you look up the biblical definitions of "neighbor", and "enemies" there are several definitions throughout the "Old" & "New" testaments. After reading these definitions you may see things in a different light.

    In the Old Testament Era


    The original meaning of neighbor was "associate" (Hebrew, rea). In Leviticus 19:18, the term clearly referred to a fellow Hebrew: "Do not take revenge or bear a grudge against members of your community, but love your neighbor as yourself; I am Yahweh." Here the parallel for "your neighbor" is "members of your community." The Israelites were to treat such persons fairly and kindly and were not to cheat or rob them. Further, they were to extend the same kindness to the foreigner dwelling among them: "when a foreigner lives with you in your land, you must not oppress him. You must regard the foreigner who lives with you as the native-born among you. You are to love him as yourself, for you were foreigners in the land of egypt; I am Yahweh your God" (Lev. 19:33).

    In the New Testament era

    A narrower interpretation of "neighbor" arose, one the Qumran community and the Pharisees espoused. People living at Qumran defined "neighbor" as someone who was part of their separatist community. Everyone outside that community dwelled in darkness and was to be shunned in order to avoid spiritual contamination. Although the people at Qumran were to hate the "children of darkness," or the "men of the pit," they did not tolerate taking personal vengeance.


    THE BIBLE TEACHES that each disciple of our Lord has a number of enemies. These enemies war with the Christian as long as he continues beset with personal human frailties and is confined in an imperfect society. Life here on earth is both a testing ground and a battleground. The Christian must always keep in mind his pledge of fidelity to be a good soldier under his Captain.

    The Christian life is indeed a warfare. Paul wrote in Ephesians 6:12 that "we wrestle" against the powers of darkness. It is a serious distortion of truth for any to imply, as do some evangelists, that becoming a Christian leads to a life of ease. All things do not become simple and smooth. The implication is false that, once one declares his determination to serve God, trouble and affliction are banished with that initial decision.

    The Scriptures instruct us to "love not the world." We also learn from Scripture that to be a friend of the world is to be an "enemy of God" (1 John 2:15, James 4:4). It is well to understand just what is meant in Scripture by 'the world' regarding which Jesus warned. The 'world' is that whole value-system which dominates whatever form of society may be our lot to experience, and it is contrary to the ways of God.

    The term "the world" is used in the Bible in several ways. It sometimes speaks of the created world--the rugged mountains, the surging ocean waves, and the beauty of a sunset. These in themselves are not a threat to our spiritual welfare, and thus we would not consider the created world to be our spiritual enemy. The word 'world' is also used with reference to the world of people who make up our society. God loves that 'world', as assured in John 3:16, and we are exhorted to follow God's example of love for that world.

    The 'world' which we are not to love is the self-centered way of human life which ignores God, and operates by selfish principles and lives by ungodly standards. The philosophy of the world says that the only important thing is "this life." The principles of the world are force, greed, selfishness, ambition, and pleasure. The 'world,' in the Greek, kosmos, is a system that comprises a way of life which, according to fleshly human values, is seen as exciting and colorful and seductive and sweet and wonderful. As a result, Christians are constantly in danger of getting involved and entangled in it to a degree that spiritual values could be given second place.
    Well Snic, I'll let you explain your interpretation to the Big Guy when that time comes.
  • 04-06-2015, 07:15 PM
    Perry Garand
    Quote Originally Posted by Forkin' Crazy View Post
    I don't think the Bible has anything about a redistribution of wealth......
    But it does.
  • 04-06-2015, 12:20 PM
    SNiC
    Quote Originally Posted by Perry Garand View Post
    .... but I can't help but remember what Jesus taught:

    Matthew 22:39
    And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'

    If you look up the biblical definitions of "neighbor", and "enemies" there are several definitions throughout the "Old" & "New" testaments. After reading these definitions you may see things in a different light.

    In the Old Testament Era


    The original meaning of neighbor was "associate" (Hebrew, rea). In Leviticus 19:18, the term clearly referred to a fellow Hebrew: "Do not take revenge or bear a grudge against members of your community, but love your neighbor as yourself; I am Yahweh." Here the parallel for "your neighbor" is "members of your community." The Israelites were to treat such persons fairly and kindly and were not to cheat or rob them. Further, they were to extend the same kindness to the foreigner dwelling among them: "when a foreigner lives with you in your land, you must not oppress him. You must regard the foreigner who lives with you as the native-born among you. You are to love him as yourself, for you were foreigners in the land of egypt; I am Yahweh your God" (Lev. 19:33).

    In the New Testament era

    A narrower interpretation of "neighbor" arose, one the Qumran community and the Pharisees espoused. People living at Qumran defined "neighbor" as someone who was part of their separatist community. Everyone outside that community dwelled in darkness and was to be shunned in order to avoid spiritual contamination. Although the people at Qumran were to hate the "children of darkness," or the "men of the pit," they did not tolerate taking personal vengeance.


    THE BIBLE TEACHES that each disciple of our Lord has a number of enemies. These enemies war with the Christian as long as he continues beset with personal human frailties and is confined in an imperfect society. Life here on earth is both a testing ground and a battleground. The Christian must always keep in mind his pledge of fidelity to be a good soldier under his Captain.

    The Christian life is indeed a warfare. Paul wrote in Ephesians 6:12 that "we wrestle" against the powers of darkness. It is a serious distortion of truth for any to imply, as do some evangelists, that becoming a Christian leads to a life of ease. All things do not become simple and smooth. The implication is false that, once one declares his determination to serve God, trouble and affliction are banished with that initial decision.

    The Scriptures instruct us to "love not the world." We also learn from Scripture that to be a friend of the world is to be an "enemy of God" (1 John 2:15, James 4:4). It is well to understand just what is meant in Scripture by 'the world' regarding which Jesus warned. The 'world' is that whole value-system which dominates whatever form of society may be our lot to experience, and it is contrary to the ways of God.

    The term "the world" is used in the Bible in several ways. It sometimes speaks of the created world--the rugged mountains, the surging ocean waves, and the beauty of a sunset. These in themselves are not a threat to our spiritual welfare, and thus we would not consider the created world to be our spiritual enemy. The word 'world' is also used with reference to the world of people who make up our society. God loves that 'world', as assured in John 3:16, and we are exhorted to follow God's example of love for that world.

    The 'world' which we are not to love is the self-centered way of human life which ignores God, and operates by selfish principles and lives by ungodly standards. The philosophy of the world says that the only important thing is "this life." The principles of the world are force, greed, selfishness, ambition, and pleasure. The 'world,' in the Greek, kosmos, is a system that comprises a way of life which, according to fleshly human values, is seen as exciting and colorful and seductive and sweet and wonderful. As a result, Christians are constantly in danger of getting involved and entangled in it to a degree that spiritual values could be given second place.
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