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  • 03-03-2016, 06:44 PM
    SNiC
    Quote Originally Posted by Roaddogg 4040 View Post
    It might get interesting now!

    Steve

    Not "might"......it is and will!... WOW
  • 03-03-2016, 06:07 PM
    Roaddogg 4040
    Quote Originally Posted by f_inscreenname View Post
    Sanders just agreed to a Town Hall with Bret Baier on FOX NEWS 6pm Monday. Where the fuck is Hillary? Coward! I guess she is getting her defense ready for the aid that's ratting on her as we speak.
    It might get interesting now!

    Steve
  • 03-03-2016, 05:10 PM
    f_inscreenname
    Sanders just agreed to a Town Hall with Bret Baier on FOX NEWS 6pm Monday. Where the fuck is Hillary? Coward! I guess she is getting her defense ready for the aid that's ratting on her as we speak.
  • 02-06-2016, 09:59 PM
    The Doctor
    Based upon what I read from liberals daily, I fear they are not even capable of learning such simple truths any more.

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  • 02-06-2016, 12:44 AM
    f_inscreenname
    See the health care thing, you are talking to one of those people. First let me say on a selfish personal note. It pisses me off that we worked hard and made major decisions in my and my wifeís careers and lives because of insurance. We took the not so great paying jobs because they had better benefits and maybe stayed with jobs when we should have gone for the money at other places but no. We did what we have been taught to do since we were born. We both have always had coverage, there was no other option. So we do the right thing from our first jobs (blue collar) to today (one of us is still blue collar). We donít follow The Greatful Dead in our microbuses for the first 30 years and now we have health issues and need someone to pay for it. We paid our dues taking those jobs, keeping insurance, having it as long as we have and not using it. We even max out our health savings account, anything to be ready for our coming years and just like that everyone else is caught up to us. Iíll admit it, little jealous. Like Alanis Morissette said, Itís like a free ride after we already paid, but what the hell. Then we found out that they didnít come up to our level but we were back where we were 30 years ago.
    So,
    1, they took something from us that we worked hard for decades to get
    2, we altered our lives and did the right thing, not like we can go back to our 20ís without a time machine and be free sprits wondering from job to job like Obama says we are free to do now.
    3, now have an insane deductible (8 fucking grand)
    4, the insurance sucks and we are getting older. We paid our fucking dues and we are owed but who gets fucked? People like me and my wife. The same fools that listened to the bull shit like you buy a house you can afford, you have insurance for you and your kids, sometimes jobs suck but you gotta do what Ö

    But Ö..
    There was a lot of things at the time that that could have been done and would have been free or almost free but like Hillary keeps saying they were swinging for the fences. They didnít want any compromise. They wanted it all. I think itís when Obama told John, ďwe won the election ÖĒ bull shit. The repís had good ideas like tort reform, insurance across state lines, no pre conditions, even that stay on you parents policy until you are old enough to join AARP. Why I have to pay for birth control really pisses me off being I got a vasectomy 15 years ago so the wife wouldnít have to use birth control. Like I said the deductibles are too high, the insurance sucks and the total enrollment that just closed is 12.7 million (projected 23 million) which makes it already in a death spiral. Add in that they now estimate 40 million without insurance (higher than before Obamacare according to them), there is a $650 penalty that a lot of people that didnít pay attention will find out about in April when their expected return turns into owing the IRSÖ.There is no future for this law.
  • 02-05-2016, 06:20 PM
    jimsplace
    Quote Originally Posted by f_inscreenname View Post
    Iím not hoping Bernie destroys her. If Hillary is not going to jail (and she is) in a way hope he falls on his face this week and lets Hillary slide into the nomination and then she sits at home and relaxes for the next 6 months. Let her go back to being rusty and tired because she is a slow starter to say the least. Let her come back on the trail after not being challenged on anything when she was to a Rep pitbull. Ran Paul would have destroyed her in that debate. What do you think someone like Don, Marko, or even the slimball Ted would do? She may have a chance to bully around Carson like she does Bernie but those other guys would eat her for lunch.
    You think they debated about issues, lets seeÖ.
    Campaign financeÖ.. She takes the money he doesnít but thatís OK.
    Race relations Ö. Only black lives matter, black POTUS, 2 black attorney generals, black entertainers and athletes are at the top of the earnings lists, there is a black guy running for POTUS on the Rep side. WTF? Why are blacks doing so much worse under this president that Hillary wraps herself around?? Just more division BS.
    Economy Ö. What? The rich got richer and the poor got more hand outs and the middle class got fucked Ö.. and who is in power again for the last 7 years???? If everything was Bushís fault 8 years ago I guess itís all Obamaís fault now?? But no he has done a great job, but the middles class got screwed, but he did a great job, but the middle class got screwed Ö. On and on. What is it? Did we get screwed or not? Cant have it both ways.
    Health care Ö. Bernie, single payer, have no clue how to pay for it besides just forcing everyone by law into it and taking their money no matter how much it cost of your money. Hillary, Super Obama Care, also has no way to pay for it and even though the law is a complete failure she wants to build on top of it. How many lost their insurance for this law, how many canít see their doctors anymore, how many of us got stuck with crappy insurance with super high deductibles when we had worked hard for good insurance like we were supposed to? 12.7 mil signed up for that POS Obama-care this year and that was with a $650.00 penalty if you donít have insurance. 8 mil lost their insurance because of that law and there is still 40mil without insurance. Now that is a success story but according to Hillary itís a great success with 18 million enrolled.
    Foreign policy Ö Burnie has a couple lines but has no clue. Hillary, she has a lot of experience. She didnít learn a fucking thing the whole time though. She talks shit about Bush and Iraq and not having a plan after and she did the same thing in Libya. The pull out of Iraq was genius. Paid for with blood and treasure and they gave it up for nothing, Afghanistan, Syria, Yamen, Egypt, central Africa, Russia, Iran, etc, etc the world is exploding and Hillary was at the forefront.
    The wall thing. Tell me this, how many people made it out of East Germany to West Germany (not just Berlin)? Not many. How many people go from NK to SK? Or how about a simple US place, try to get within 15 miles of area 51. The boarder thing is total bullshit. A few drones, motion detectors and the threat of lethal force would cut it back quite a bit.
    As for the millions here. Simple. Get legal or get out. You are here and donít file for paperwork and you get arrested you get a plane or bus ride to your boarder of choice. Once that is made as a policy you will see a mass exodus or a mass move to get legal, especially families. What do we do if they want to get legal, work visas and to the back of the line. E-verify, no paperwork, no job. You hire illegals you are fucked Ö. There is a lot of ways to get things moving but like Marko says, no boarder and other immigration fixes and it goes nowhere.

    You say Hillary is a good presenter now if you could believe anything she said she would have something going there.
    I still canít believe that Bernie to her.
    It might be fun to discuss this with you in person, but that probably isn't going to happen. Trying to discuss it on this forum is not really possible. There are way too many variable.

    As far as the health care, I don't understand why so many have had the issues they claim. I just haven't seen it.
    Insurance is expensive, but it has been expensive for years and the rates have been going up at an alarming rate.
    I'm not fond of national health care, but at the same time there have been exaggerated claims about its cost.
    As an example, One of the largest nearby County hospitals talked about how they were now getting paid now. Before, many were coming in uninsured and they collected nothing.
    If you know anything about medical facilities, you're aware they are required to treat anyone who comes in with an emergency.
    All of the expense that hospital incurred before was being paid by the County citizens, if insurance wasn't available.

    There is no way a Country like the US should have people not getting at least basic health care. But, thats the way it was before, and it wasn't going to change.
    Anytime a program as large as national health care is initiated, there are going to be some flaws, but it needed to be started. Obama did what should have been done long ago..
    The Republicans weren't working on anything and they still don't have anything close to being ready, yet they are going to scrap OBAMA-CARE and start over if they get in.

    Do you have any idea what problems will come about? Everyone will have no insurance and everyone can start over, looking for something.
    For those who have any kind of health or medical problems, they will again be uninsured and unable to get insurance.
    The less fortunate will be left out in the cold, again.

    Some of your concerns I agree with, and they need to be addressed.
    There are issues that I agree with on both sides and other issues that I don't.
    Contrary to what some of the fools on the boards say about me, I do not accept a label of Liberal, Socialist, Conservative or anything else.
    My position is and always has been one of, it depends.

    Regardless, it's just foolish to use labels in a generic manner.
    What surprises me is how many people don't know what the labels mean, as was demonstrated earlier.
    There are certainly a lot on these threads that don't know.
  • 02-05-2016, 03:16 PM
    f_inscreenname
    Iím not hoping Bernie destroys her. If Hillary is not going to jail (and she is) in a way hope he falls on his face this week and lets Hillary slide into the nomination and then she sits at home and relaxes for the next 6 months. Let her go back to being rusty and tired because she is a slow starter to say the least. Let her come back on the trail after not being challenged on anything when she was to a Rep pitbull. Ran Paul would have destroyed her in that debate. What do you think someone like Don, Marko, or even the slimball Ted would do? She may have a chance to bully around Carson like she does Bernie but those other guys would eat her for lunch.
    You think they debated about issues, lets seeÖ.
    Campaign financeÖ.. She takes the money he doesnít but thatís OK.
    Race relations Ö. Only black lives matter, black POTUS, 2 black attorney generals, black entertainers and athletes are at the top of the earnings lists, there is a black guy running for POTUS on the Rep side. WTF? Why are blacks doing so much worse under this president that Hillary wraps herself around?? Just more division BS.
    Economy Ö. What? The rich got richer and the poor got more hand outs and the middle class got fucked Ö.. and who is in power again for the last 7 years???? If everything was Bushís fault 8 years ago I guess itís all Obamaís fault now?? But no he has done a great job, but the middles class got screwed, but he did a great job, but the middle class got screwed Ö. On and on. What is it? Did we get screwed or not? Cant have it both ways.
    Health care Ö. Bernie, single payer, have no clue how to pay for it besides just forcing everyone by law into it and taking their money no matter how much it cost of your money. Hillary, Super Obama Care, also has no way to pay for it and even though the law is a complete failure she wants to build on top of it. How many lost their insurance for this law, how many canít see their doctors anymore, how many of us got stuck with crappy insurance with super high deductibles when we had worked hard for good insurance like we were supposed to? 12.7 mil signed up for that POS Obama-care this year and that was with a $650.00 penalty if you donít have insurance. 8 mil lost their insurance because of that law and there is still 40mil without insurance. Now that is a success story but according to Hillary itís a great success with 18 million enrolled.
    Foreign policy Ö Burnie has a couple lines but has no clue. Hillary, she has a lot of experience. She didnít learn a fucking thing the whole time though. She talks shit about Bush and Iraq and not having a plan after and she did the same thing in Libya. The pull out of Iraq was genius. Paid for with blood and treasure and they gave it up for nothing, Afghanistan, Syria, Yamen, Egypt, central Africa, Russia, Iran, etc, etc the world is exploding and Hillary was at the forefront.
    The wall thing. Tell me this, how many people made it out of East Germany to West Germany (not just Berlin)? Not many. How many people go from NK to SK? Or how about a simple US place, try to get within 15 miles of area 51. The boarder thing is total bullshit. A few drones, motion detectors and the threat of lethal force would cut it back quite a bit.
    As for the millions here. Simple. Get legal or get out. You are here and donít file for paperwork and you get arrested you get a plane or bus ride to your boarder of choice. Once that is made as a policy you will see a mass exodus or a mass move to get legal, especially families. What do we do if they want to get legal, work visas and to the back of the line. E-verify, no paperwork, no job. You hire illegals you are fucked Ö. There is a lot of ways to get things moving but like Marko says, no boarder and other immigration fixes and it goes nowhere.

    You say Hillary is a good presenter now if you could believe anything she said she would have something going there.
    I still canít believe that Bernie is losing to her.
  • 02-05-2016, 10:36 AM
    jimsplace
    Quote Originally Posted by f_inscreenname View Post
    I call bullshit jim. That was a senior citizen softball game at best and not a debate. They didnít discuss issues or debate anything you wouldnít see on The View. They just agreed on everything but tried to outdo each other on how much more they wanted to do of it.
    Bernie is too respectful of Hillary. Old school manors I guess. Hillary walks all over him and he bites his lip and lets it go because you donít interrupt or attack a woman. He is so tip toeing around her so to not look like the bad guy that itís sickening. You could see he was ready to pop at a couple times. He showed up a New England senior citizen in February white and a couple times when she was droning on (once about his covert smearing of her, a vast socialist conspiracy??) he turned a blood red and you could see the frustration in his face. The sad thing is he could beat her with his hands tied behind his back. He has to know it too. Hell I think I could have beaten her during that debate. If Bernie doesnít pull the trigger soon his support will melt away.
    I think you were looking for or hoping Bernie would somehow destroy Clinton, I assume because you're leaning towards the right.
    Maybe were thinking about issues being different things, but they did talk about issues and what it would take to improve things for individual citizens. It was more specific and detailed as to what those changes would be than anything the Republicans talked about.

    That is one difference between this DEMOCRATIC debate and the REPUBLICAN debate. In the REPUBLICAN debate, what I recall seeing was unrealistic ideas on how to solve issues that many are concerned with. But realistically, do you think there will be an impenetrable wall built on the entire southern border and somehow Mexico will pay for it?
    Or, do you think it is realistically possible to deport 11 or 12 million people? Another leading candidate has promised to get rid of IRS. None of us are fond of IRS, but realistically the government is going to collect taxes to operate, and whether it's called IRS or something else, it'll still be the same thing. Changing the name doesn't fix anything.

    Bernie has some good talking points that sound desirable, but he also has some that while they sound good, just go to far the other way and are not realistic. IMO
    There are some positions Clinton has that I don't agree with, but she is a very good presenter and her positions seem realistic.
    What I saw supported the feelings I have about the two candidates and their positions.

    I don't know what to think about the Republican candidates, but from what I've seen, and they have said, they are a bunch of people who have huge egos and their only concern is to outdo the other to the point of ridiculous. They don't have a plan.
    Currently, I don't think they have a viable candidate.

    Whoever is nominated on either side will get votes because they have either a D or R beside their name. So, it comes down to who is least undesirable or who might try to improve things for the most people that vote. IMO
  • 02-04-2016, 11:43 PM
    f_inscreenname
    I call bullshit jim. That was a senior citizen softball game at best and not a debate. They didnít discuss issues or debate anything you wouldnít see on The View. They just agreed on everything but tried to outdo each other on how much more they wanted to do of it.
    Bernie is too respectful of Hillary. Old school manors I guess. Hillary walks all over him and he bites his lip and lets it go because you donít interrupt or attack a woman. He is so tip toeing around her so to not look like the bad guy that itís sickening. You could see he was ready to pop at a couple times. He showed up a New England senior citizen in February white and a couple times when she was droning on (once about his covert smearing of her, a vast socialist conspiracy??) he turned a blood red and you could see the frustration in his face. The sad thing is he could beat her with his hands tied behind his back. He has to know it too. Hell I think I could have beaten her during that debate. If Bernie doesnít pull the trigger soon his support will melt away.
  • 02-04-2016, 10:24 PM
    jimsplace
    Quote Originally Posted by f_inscreenname View Post
    I have to say Hillary makes my head hurt. She is asked a question about email and within half of a sentence she hits a income inequality talking point and ends it on something about Trump. She speaks in nothing but scrambled talking points.

    Bernie, Bernie, Bernie... you really don't want to win do you? The first hour was all about campaign finance. The Washington Post just came out with a story about Hillary getting over 40mil from Wall St since 2001 and yet you let her slide. Then about transcripts of her paid speeches to Wall St firms, again you let her slide. She talks about Rep hedge funds pacs coming after her but yet she was just getting money over the weekend from 2 hedge funds and you let her slide. She says you are doing a covert smear job when she does it to your face and you let her slide.
    Then they went on to foreign affairs and she was bragging about her record ... I mean come on!!!! there was more openings then there is in the southern boarder and you let her slide.
    I don't know. Starting to look like the fix is in.
    Did we watch different debates?
    I was kind of thinking how nice it was to see the candidates talk about the issues and where improvements could be made.
    In the Republican debate, it was more about who carried the biggest bible and had the biggest dick.
    It didn't make any difference which of the Republican candidates was talking, but which ever one it was, talked about how shitty their other Republican opponents were.

    Interesting to note that you talk about the fix being in. With the Republican Candidates, it was more about how to screw things up and destroy their own party.

    Do you really buy into the building a wall the entire length of the Border by one Republican, or how they are going to do away with IRS by another or carpet bomb ISIS.
    If ISIS was in one location, maybe, but they are intermixed with the over-all population.
    Candidates make exaggerated claims all the time, but really, the promise needs to be realistic.
  • 02-04-2016, 09:37 PM
    f_inscreenname

    debate

    I have to say Hillary makes my head hurt. She is asked a question about email and within half of a sentence she hits a income inequality talking point and ends it on something about Trump. She speaks in nothing but scrambled talking points.

    Bernie, Bernie, Bernie... you really don't want to win do you? The first hour was all about campaign finance. The Washington Post just came out with a story about Hillary getting over 40mil from Wall St since 2001 and yet you let her slide. Then about transcripts of her paid speeches to Wall St firms, again you let her slide. She talks about Rep hedge funds pacs coming after her but yet she was just getting money over the weekend from 2 hedge funds and you let her slide. She says you are doing a covert smear job when she does it to your face and you let her slide.
    Then they went on to foreign affairs and she was bragging about her record ... I mean come on!!!! there was more openings then there is in the southern boarder and you let her slide.
    I don't know. Starting to look like the fix is in.
  • 02-03-2016, 09:25 PM
    jimsplace
    Quote Originally Posted by f_inscreenname View Post
    To use a Nascar analogy. IMHO that was Ted's Daytona 500. He spent the whole off season tweaking his car and putting the best package together from his shop he could bring to the track for that race. Then he drove his car to the front by leaving other drivers hung out to dry and then passing the leader on the last lap by taking him out. It's a long season though. Next week he has to bring to the track the stuff that was not good enough to take to Daytona and when he gets there no one is going to let him pass. They are not going to work with him on the track and if they get the chance they will put him in the wall. Sometimes dirty drivers win. I just think it was way to early in the season to have half the field wanting to take you out.
    ...But this thread is not about Rep's. Its about how Bernie is getting xxx by your ... see post #31
    What can I say?

    Other than that, the analogy was rather long, but the concept I believe is correct. It's just the beginning for all of them, and if there was a winner for the (R), it would have to be Rubio. He didn't get wiped out. Those below him
    have to be wondering.
    As TRUMP keeps saying over and over, nobody likes Cruz. Cruz has just been a negative factor for the Republican Party and refused to co-operate with anyone. If he was elected, it's hard to think all of those people are just going to forget what he's done.

    As far as the LEFT TURN, NASCAR goes left as well as Circle Boats. It's something to think about.
  • 02-03-2016, 07:20 PM
    SNiC
    ^^^ I really like your analogy ...
    except for the fact that the majority of NASCAR races are on a fixed track with only LEFT TURNS!
  • 02-03-2016, 07:07 PM
    f_inscreenname
    Quote Originally Posted by SNiC View Post
    ... Sad state of affairs isn't it?
    To use a Nascar analogy. IMHO that was Ted's Daytona 500. He spent the whole off season tweaking his car and putting the best package together from his shop he could bring to the track for that race. Then he drove his car to the front by leaving other drivers hung out to dry and then passing the leader on the last lap by taking him out. It's a long season though. Next week he has to bring to the track the stuff that was not good enough to take to Daytona and when he gets there no one is going to let him pass. They are not going to work with him on the track and if they get the chance they will put him in the wall. Sometimes dirty drivers win. I just think it was way to early in the season to have half the field wanting to take you out.
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