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    Default Newbie looking for information and resources

    Just bought my first v-drive flat bottom, a 1967 Sanger, and am looking for resources and information to further educate myself. Any and all assistance for sources in the Sacto area would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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    You mean shops, or lakes or..?
    Online info about your boat would be best in the V-Drive section, but you can definitely get some answers about local stuff in here.!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlterEgo View Post
    Just bought my first v-drive flat bottom, a 1967 Sanger, and am looking for resources and information to further educate myself. Any and all assistance for sources in the Sacto area would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
    What info are you looking for? How about a picture of your boat.

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    Thanks for your responses. I'm familiar with the lakes in the arae and plan to visit CFW this weekend without the boat to talk with other flat bottom, v-drive owners. I guess I'm after more info about V-drives. Mine seems to make a hell of a lot of noise and, in my mind, it seems excessive. Since I know little about them, have no prior experience with them and have no basis to compare, I'm concerned that there may be something wrong. The unit appears to be a split case Casale, not sure of the degree of the unit, with an in/out box. The in/out box cannot be engaged with the engine running. I've spoken with Bill @ Southwind Boats and he advised that v-drives are noisy, but again I don't know what is normal or abnormal noise. Any help would be appreciated.

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    If you want to get any real answer from anyone at CFW bring the boat otherwise you're only going to get hypothetical answers just like in here (online).
    The only thing you can get out there without your boat is maybe hear what others sound like, but that wont help much, they could have different hardware, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlterEgo View Post
    Thanks for your responses. I'm familiar with the lakes in the arae and plan to visit CFW this weekend without the boat to talk with other flat bottom, v-drive owners. I guess I'm after more info about V-drives. Mine seems to make a hell of a lot of noise and, in my mind, it seems excessive. Since I know little about them, have no prior experience with them and have no basis to compare, I'm concerned that there may be something wrong. The unit appears to be a split case Casale, not sure of the degree of the unit, with an in/out box. The in/out box cannot be engaged with the engine running. I've spoken with Bill @ Southwind Boats and he advised that v-drives are noisy, but again I don't know what is normal or abnormal noise. Any help would be appreciated.
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    Ok .... Here is a old stupid video of my boat back in 2006. This noise is normal. Oh by the way stop the engine before you put it into gear!
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    My thanks to JimTheToolMan for the video it was very helpful. Here's a photo of my Sanger that was previously requested. The former owner stated that it was once owned by Chris Davidson, but based upon the fact that he misrepresented the boat to me all along, I question this as well. Instead of having purchased a boat I could use a couple of times this summer, it's become a fairly major project and probably won't see the water until next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlterEgo View Post
    My thanks to JimTheToolMan for the video it was very helpful. Here's a photo of my Sanger that was previously requested. The former owner stated that it was once owned by Chris Davidson, but based upon the fact that he misrepresented the boat to me all along, I question this as well. Instead of having purchased a boat I could use a couple of times this summer, it's become a fairly major project and probably won't see the water until next year.
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    Are you missing parts? What is wrong with it? Give some more info and maybe me or someone else can give you some advise. Jim

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    Not missing any parts that I can see. When I brought home on the 13th I started doing cursory checks of the fuel system, electrical, etc. I found that the fuel system was fouled by water contamination (9+ gallons of stale fuel and water in the tanks, filter, pump and carb) and went about disassembling the system to remove all of the contaminants. I removed the tanks and discovered that hidden underneath them was/is a significant amount of wood rot directly under the tank straps that had spread fore, aft and to the sides of the hull (see attached pics). At any rate, I've installed a new carb, new fuel pump, cleaned the fuel lines, fuel filter cannister and replaced the filter. I was able to fire the engine , which thankfully sounds pretty decent and has good oil pressure, by using a plastic gas jug as a fuel supply as the tanks remain out until I figure out how I'm going to address the rot issue in the floor. Regarding the floor, and because of the cost factor, I'm giving serious consideration to injecting the rotted areas with Git Rot and refinishing the floors vice having the rotted floor areas removed and replaced. I have a post in the fiberglass section of the forum and am awaiting feedback to the questions I've posed. Gotta tell you that I'm very appreciative of your offer of assistance and willingness to help. It helps to remove the sourness from my mouth resulting from the dishonesty of the seller. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlterEgo View Post
    Not missing any parts that I can see. When I brought home on the 13th I started doing cursory checks of the fuel system, electrical, etc. I found that the fuel system was fouled by water contamination (9+ gallons of stale fuel and water in the tanks, filter, pump and carb) and went about disassembling the system to remove all of the contaminants. I removed the tanks and discovered that hidden underneath them was/is a significant amount of wood rot directly under the tank straps that had spread fore, aft and to the sides of the hull (see attached pics). At any rate, I've installed a new carb, new fuel pump, cleaned the fuel lines, fuel filter cannister and replaced the filter. I was able to fire the engine , which thankfully sounds pretty decent and has good oil pressure, by using a plastic gas jug as a fuel supply as the tanks remain out until I figure out how I'm going to address the rot issue in the floor. Regarding the floor, and because of the cost factor, I'm giving serious consideration to injecting the rotted areas with Git Rot and refinishing the floors vice having the rotted floor areas removed and replaced. I have a post in the fiberglass section of the forum and am awaiting feedback to the questions I've posed. Gotta tell you that I'm very appreciative of your offer of assistance and willingness to help. It helps to remove the sourness from my mouth resulting from the dishonesty of the seller. Thanks.
    Wow that's a bummer! Is it rotten all the was thru? It looks to me like mold?

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    Can't tell if it's all the way through yet. If all goes well, gonna take it to a couple of shops on Tuesday to get expert opinions and estimates. Will be pulling the motor Wednesday and, depending on the estimates, will proceed according to budgetary considerations and my CFO (wife) has to approve the expense of course. At any rate, I've decided to keep the boat and make it a project with the goal of next spring in mind. By the way, do you have any idea how thick the flooring ply is? The post I started on the paint and fiberglass forum hasn't had any responses as yet. Thanks again for your assistance, I do appreciate it.

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    one good way to fix that dry rot is something that I'm doing to the transom on my daycruiser. grind back the paint, etc on the floor past the dry rot by about 2 inches. then carefully cut away the layers of wood that are rotted down to the fiberglass shell. Make sure to take all the dry rotted wood out to a min. of 1/2" into the good wood. Spray with a 10% bleach solution or buy an over the counter solution. Once dry, then resin all the exposed wood, including the good wood that is now exposed. Make a patch of wood that fits very tight, then seal it with resin. you can use a thin piece of hardwood, screw it to the good wood and your patch, then lay your matting down and glass it...done.

    As far as V-drives go, some are louder than others and have different pitches. If yours has straight-cut gears, it will sound like a howling gear drive. If not, it will have a less loud sound but will still be a gear noise as that's what it is. Definitely hold on to that boat as they are not as easy to find anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlterEgo View Post
    Not missing any parts that I can see. When I brought home on the 13th I started doing cursory checks of the fuel system, electrical, etc. I found that the fuel system was fouled by water contamination (9+ gallons of stale fuel and water in the tanks, filter, pump and carb) and went about disassembling the system to remove all of the contaminants. I removed the tanks and discovered that hidden underneath them was/is a significant amount of wood rot directly under the tank straps that had spread fore, aft and to the sides of the hull (see attached pics). At any rate, I've installed a new carb, new fuel pump, cleaned the fuel lines, fuel filter cannister and replaced the filter. I was able to fire the engine , which thankfully sounds pretty decent and has good oil pressure, by using a plastic gas jug as a fuel supply as the tanks remain out until I figure out how I'm going to address the rot issue in the floor. Regarding the floor, and because of the cost factor, I'm giving serious consideration to injecting the rotted areas with Git Rot and refinishing the floors vice having the rotted floor areas removed and replaced. I have a post in the fiberglass section of the forum and am awaiting feedback to the questions I've posed. Gotta tell you that I'm very appreciative of your offer of assistance and willingness to help. It helps to remove the sourness from my mouth resulting from the dishonesty of the seller. Thanks.
    Well what was the outcome of the fiber glass?

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    That damage looks pretty minor and shouldnt keep you off the water long. That is pretty typical of the Sanger tank straps to look like that after all these years because they screwed them straight through the bottom. Tap the area around the straps and listen to the sound difference it will tell you how far out the damage could be. then cut out the wood only to the fiber bottom. Replace like noted above, but glass in some tank ribs (to mount the straps to) and cover up those bottom drilled holes once and for all.

    Good luck with the restoration.... they all are that way unless you buy something that someone else has already restored!
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