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    Not a rumor. A number of individuals and sponsors of the Big Cat Poker Run, generally held in August in Northern California- Delta, are being sued because of the accident (s) in 2006.

    Any thoughts? Why sign personal waivers at registration if they can be so easily challenged?

    What has happened to personal responsibility? Finally, how can this be avoided in the future- before these events disappear. Obtaining sponsorship/volunteers will be very difficult going forward.
    I have double standards (hey, better than none at all).

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    oh ***** here we go............

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    I'm just asking. I don't really give a rat's ass about anybody's right to sue- free country and all that. I didn't mean to make it sound like a moral issue.

    Just wondering if things like waivers, pfd requirements, staggered starts, insurance verification etc. have any bearing on liability for potential sponsors. How has this been dealt with in the other big runs- Smoke, Desert Storm, etc?

    Take it as an industry question, not looking to stir up any ****. What about unsponsored runs?
    I have double standards (hey, better than none at all).

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    boating is a Dangerous Situation......beat you to it Cat Sass!

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    pretty sure I had to show proof of insurance in the few poker runs I have done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Close Call View Post
    Not a rumor. A number of individuals and sponsors of the Big Cat Poker Run, generally held in August in Northern California- Delta, are being sued because of the accident (s) in 2006.

    Any thoughts? Why sign personal waivers at registration if they can be so easily challenged?

    What has happened to personal responsibility? Finally, how can this be avoided in the future- before these events disappear. Obtaining sponsorship/volunteers will be very difficult going forward.
    Litigation is turning into an uncontrolled business. The insurance companies and Attorneys are having a field day especially in California and Florida, not just in the marine industry, writing their own meal tickets and the consumer is paying the bill-sad.

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    cancel your insurance, fire your attorney. Problem solved!

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    " a "Dangerous situation". To whom do we attribute this quote????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Close Call View Post
    " a "Dangerous situation". To whom do we attribute this quote????
    Oh, that would be Grads, the "king" of dangerous situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Close Call View Post
    Not a rumor. A number of individuals and sponsors of the Big Cat Poker Run, generally held in August in Northern California- Delta, are being sued because of the accident (s) in 2006.

    Any thoughts? Why sign personal waivers at registration if they can be so easily challenged?

    What has happened to personal responsibility? Finally, how can this be avoided in the future- before these events disappear. Obtaining sponsorship/volunteers will be very difficult going forward.
    If its not a rumor give us some particulars????



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    Sure. Bob Teague (personally and business), the Discovery Bay Lions Club (Lions Club International???), to name two. Arneson, I believe. And a long laundry-list of "to be named" that numbers close to, or exceeds 100. Standard filing.

    A lot of folks are waiting to see if they are named because of either sponsorship or influence relating to the event. The lawsuit was filed in Contra Costa County and is public information. Filed by Dale Razor.

    Dale was driving one of the boats that crashed in the 2006 Big Cat Poker run. (and maybe he jumped the start, or maybe somebody else jumped it first, or maybe his bolts fell off, or maybe nobody should run with those surface drives, or maybe he was reckless, or maybe the v-hulls should have started further behind the cats, or maybe we shouldn't use a flag for the start because it is "Not a race" (however, it may be a "dangerous situation"- hahaha), or maybe the sponsors should not use standard advertising banners with the word "racing" in the text or maybe nobody but an astronaut is qualified to go that fast anyway. MAYBE a lot of things. (Exciting, salacious, but still an ACCIDENT). So, since insurance companies cover accidents.........

    General insurance questions......
    • How does any organization hold future poker runs without potential sponsor liability (deep pockets) and possible cancellation of insurance for the event or invalidating personal insurance coverage?
    • If this is found to be a legitimate lawsuit (i.e. not determined by a judge to be "frivolous"), why bother with those personal waivers, signed over breakfast burritos?
    • Does the insured have any voice in whether or not a counter-suit is filed by an insurance company?
    • Do the insurance companies have to behave in a predictable manner as determined by their own legal counsel and general insurance practices?
    • Are the "insurance lawyers" being supplemented by the use of the "ambulance chasing lawyers"?
    • More importantly, how can fast boats and sponsors continue to enjoy this sport? Accidents are gonna happen, some will be found to be caused by stupidity or gross neglect or recklessness, but nonetheless are accidents.
    Any insurance experts in the house? Are poker runs and insurance coverage mutually exclusive?

    I have an inquiring mind...... (and one of those really nice pfd's that are not Coast Guard approved).
    I have double standards (hey, better than none at all).

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    This should be moved to PB Open Water. It is not exclusive to the Delta. Admin??/Mod's??
    I have double standards (hey, better than none at all).

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    situations like this are what make it very important to have good insurance coverage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Close Call View Post
    I'm just asking. I don't really give a rat's ass about anybody's right to sue- free country and all that. I didn't mean to make it sound like a moral issue.

    Just wondering if things like waivers, pfd requirements, staggered starts, insurance verification etc. have any bearing on liability for potential sponsors. How has this been dealt with in the other big runs- Smoke, Desert Storm, etc?

    Take it as an industry question, not looking to stir up any ****. What about unsponsored runs?
    Hi Chris......

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