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    Default Hydraulic steering upgrade.

    I just purchased a 97 DCB 24 extreme. The boat came with add on hydraulic steering. I have a cable to the helm and it appears to connect right into the Merc power steering.

    How difficult would it bee to go full hydraulic? Can I keep the ram that I have and add a helm unit and hoses? Also it looks like WPM is out of business. Can I use a different helm piece?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bocco View Post
    I just purchased a 97 DCB 24 extreme. The boat came with add on hydraulic steering. I have a cable to the helm and it appears to connect right into the Merc power steering.

    How difficult would it bee to go full hydraulic? Can I keep the ram that I have and add a helm unit and hoses? Also it looks like WPM is out of business. Can I use a different helm piece?

    Thanks

    Gary
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    Almost all hydraulic system use the charlyn helm. You would need helm, lines, some fittings, wheel adapter ect. Is would be wise to go dual ram if going to full hydraulic system also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bocco View Post
    I just purchased a 97 DCB 24 extreme. The boat came with add on hydraulic steering. I have a cable to the helm and it appears to connect right into the Merc power steering.

    How difficult would it bee to go full hydraulic? Can I keep the ram that I have and add a helm unit and hoses? Also it looks like WPM is out of business. Can I use a different helm piece?

    Thanks

    Gary

    I went from single ram full hydraulic to dual ram full hydraulic and my helm takes twice as long to turn now.

    perfect if you are interested in upgrading your single ram system. I can also make you the hoses for free.

    let me know if your interested

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smallblocksperry View Post
    I went from single ram full hydraulic to dual ram full hydraulic and my helm takes twice as long to turn now.

    perfect if you are interested in upgrading your single ram system. I can also make you the hoses for free.

    let me know if your interested

    Eric
    sounds like you have a small volume helm, switch it to a larger capacity helm and you should be ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bocco View Post
    I just purchased a 97 DCB 24 extreme. The boat came with add on hydraulic steering. I have a cable to the helm and it appears to connect right into the Merc power steering.

    How difficult would it bee to go full hydraulic? Can I keep the ram that I have and add a helm unit and hoses? Also it looks like WPM is out of business. Can I use a different helm piece?

    Thanks

    Gary
    If you have any interest in selling just he ram I might be interested
    Thanks Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smallblocksperry View Post
    I went from single ram full hydraulic to dual ram full hydraulic and my helm takes twice as long to turn now.

    perfect if you are interested in upgrading your single ram system. I can also make you the hoses for free.

    let me know if your interested

    Eric
    Thanks for the offer. Right now I'm just collecting info. I probably won't tackle the project winter.

    It's starting to look like I want to do tabs as well and it would make sense to do both upgrades at the same time.

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    When I converted my add on to full hydraulic I went with a complete kit from Imco and one of the questions asked was one or two rams. I am very satisfied with the outcome of mine. The Imco kit includes an in line hydraulic filter that was missing from the original installation. Pretty straight forward, not rocket science as far as the upgrade mechanics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbletop409 View Post
    When I converted my add on to full hydraulic I went with a complete kit from Imco and one of the questions asked was one or two rams. I am very satisfied with the outcome of mine. The Imco kit includes an in line hydraulic filter that was missing from the original installation. Pretty straight forward, not rocket science as far as the upgrade mechanics.
    My guess is that 2 rams requires more volume from the helm unit. Did you have a single ram and stick with it?

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    Mine was a dual ram set up from the factory, but the play at idle and low speed was intolerable. When I bought the boat I did not know there were two types of hydraulic, add on and full hydraulic, didn't take long to discover the difference. The hardest part of the conversion was removing so much of the interior to facilitate routing of the pressure and return hoses, three pressure and one low pressure return. Another item to research is the different helms available, and how they will sit on your existing dash, I did not like the angle of my steering wheel in the original set up, so I went with an angled base, and that put the wheel at a much better angle for my boat. They come straight, angled and adjustable.
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    Default my steering is tough at idle

    I just purchased a 21 foot Hallett with dual hydraulic steering, and at idle I can barely move the wheel. The res tank is full and the belt is tight. Do you think I have air in the lines? If so where and how do I bleed it out? I appreciate any help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 75hallettbubble View Post
    I just purchased a 21 foot Hallett with dual hydraulic steering, and at idle I can barely move the wheel. The res tank is full and the belt is tight. Do you think I have air in the lines? If so where and how do I bleed it out? I appreciate any help.
    I'd say your pump is bad, they are self bleeding

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    Quote Originally Posted by 75hallettbubble View Post
    I just purchased a 21 foot Hallett with dual hydraulic steering, and at idle I can barely move the wheel. The res tank is full and the belt is tight. Do you think I have air in the lines? If so where and how do I bleed it out? I appreciate any help.
    Does it turn easy when the engine is off?

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    its impossible when its off

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    Quote Originally Posted by 75hallettbubble View Post
    I just purchased a 21 foot Hallett with dual hydraulic steering, and at idle I can barely move the wheel. The res tank is full and the belt is tight. Do you think I have air in the lines? If so where and how do I bleed it out? I appreciate any help.
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    Does it turn easy when the engine is off?
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    its impossible when its off
    Any Hydraulic steering assist cylinders will not allow you to turn the steering wheel when the engine is off, especially with 2 cylinders. The pump can't supply enough volume so the steering will be stiff when idling. We actually remove the high pressure fitting from the power steering pump and drill out the hole a bit. It doesn't solve the problem, but it does help.
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