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    Has anyone ever had any FIRST HAND experience with an Arneson drive on a "24-7 boat?

    I've heard from a few people these boats have a tendancy to "torque over" to one side under way with a "Bravo style" drive... Is this just from poor setup?

    I'm looking at Arneson's set up with the trans mounted in an extension box so I can keep my engine mounted as far back as possible....

    .... Or maybe just put a clutch on the engine so I at least could have a "neutral" position and go without reverse...

    Any help would be appreciated.....

    Thanks,

    Doug....

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    '79 Excalibur 24..

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    There were a few threads over the past months that discussed this very topic in depth. If you do a thread search you can review them. I would contact Arenson directly for their input and Kap here on the boards has a single engine surface drive deck boat now for reference.

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    go to howardarneson.com the first boat ever to run a arneson was an 18' with 260hp and ran a !:! at 70 mph... arneson will tell you other wise, read do not ask or all you will get is a bill....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevlar20 View Post
    go to howardarneson.com the first boat ever to run a arneson was an 18' with 260hp and ran a !:! at 70 mph... arneson will tell you other wise, read do not ask or all you will get is a bill....
    WTF Larry? I only told you the truth, and there is no bill for that and never implied otherwise. I also told you we have nothing to do with that web site and you have to take things in context of what was installed and worked in the end not what we started with from day one as things evolve.

    You wanted used items, and just like with Mercury, IMCO, Ilmor and others we are not a used machinery dealer, rather a manufacture. Where is the confusion?

    If the application is for a single engine smaller boat then the drive we just came out with that accepts a Bravo propeller is what would work best for the application. AI#7MB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevlar20 View Post
    do not ask or all you will get is a bill....
    ....Tell you what... Rik has provided me with the most OUTSTANDING customer service and honesty I've ever gotten from ANY manufacturer..

    I was looking at buying a used drive and was under the gun as several other people were interested in it as well, so I sent him some pictures to help identify the drive in question....

    He took the time to answer my questions and educate me more on their products even though he KNEW a new drive just isn't in my budget.....
    ......Now mind you, this was on a SATURDAY !!!!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Boatally Insane View Post
    ....Tell you what... Rik has provided me with the most OUTSTANDING customer service and honesty I've ever gotten from ANY manufacturer..

    I was looking at buying a used drive and was under the gun as several other people were interested in it as well, so I sent him some pictures to help identify the drive in question....

    He took the time to answer my questions and educate me more on their products even though he KNEW a new drive just isn't in my budget.....
    ......Now mind you, this was on a SATURDAY !!!!!!!


    Doug

    I got the same when I entertained the idea of doing one on my 20' Kona Mini-Day....2-3 long phone conversations along with several lengthy emails. He walked me through IDing and the rebuild process.

    I changed plans and got 2 - DPX-R's (one is a spare) at a steal of a deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boatally Insane View Post
    Has anyone ever had any FIRST HAND experience with an Arneson drive on a "24-7 boat?

    I've heard from a few people these boats have a tendancy to "torque over" to one side under way with a "Bravo style" drive... Is this just from poor setup?

    I'm looking at Arneson's set up with the trans mounted in an extension box so I can keep my engine mounted as far back as possible....

    .... Or maybe just put a clutch on the engine so I at least could have a "neutral" position and go without reverse...

    Any help would be appreciated.....

    Thanks,

    Doug....

    "new" project...
    '79 Excalibur 24..
    I would guess its the deadrise on that hull. I have a Donzi 22 classic and it does that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boatally Insane View Post
    Has anyone ever had any FIRST HAND experience with an Arneson drive on a "24-7 boat?

    I've heard from a few people these boats have a tendancy to "torque over" to one side under way with a "Bravo style" drive... Is this just from poor setup?

    I'm looking at Arneson's set up with the trans mounted in an extension box so I can keep my engine mounted as far back as possible....

    .... Or maybe just put a clutch on the engine so I at least could have a "neutral" position and go without reverse...

    Any help would be appreciated.....

    Thanks,

    Doug....

    "new" project...
    '79 Excalibur 24..
    Comment:

    You left out a lot of factual information.

    1. What power are you running?

    2. What is your intended goal for your project?

    3. If your considering monster power are you sure you have the right hull for the job? I would seriously re-think your plan if this is the direction your headed.

    4. If you have budgetary constraints what are they i.e...how much do you want to spend.

    Your question is very horoscope like and illusory can you be more specific.

    KAP

    P.S. The boat looks like a perfect candidate for a low hour 496 with an XR drive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KAP View Post
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    You left out a lot of factual information.

    1. What power are you running?

    2. What is your intended goal for your project?

    3. If your considering monster power are you sure you have the right hull for the job? I would seriously re-think your plan if this is the direction your headed.

    4. If you have budgetary constraints what are they i.e...how much do you want to spend.

    Your question is very horoscope like and illusory can you be more specific.

    KAP

    P.S. The boat looks like a perfect candidate for a low hour 496 with an XR drive.


    1. Currently it looks like I'll be building a Procharged 468... Should be around 800 hp...

    2. SPEED.

    3. I guess I didn't realize that hull was all that bad.. BTW how many manufactures splashed it??

    4. .... Thanks to our slow economy....not much... just scaping togethor what I can from side work and selling off extra parts I have...


    P.S. My last boat was a Checkmate with 21' of hull and 600 hp that ran in the mid 80's ...
    I don't think a 496 would quite do it for me in a bigger hull with stand up bolsters...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boatally Insane View Post

    1. Currently it looks like I'll be building a Procharged 468... Should be around 800 hp...

    2. SPEED.

    3. I guess I didn't realize that hull was all that bad.. BTW how many manufactures splashed it??

    4. .... Thanks to our slow economy....not much... just scaping togethor what I can from side work and selling off extra parts I have...


    P.S. My last boat was a Checkmate with 21' of hull and 600 hp that ran in the mid 80's ...
    I don't think a 496 would quite do it for me in a bigger hull with stand up bolsters...

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    Ok! the above at least gives us a little more information on the direction your headed.

    If your intended goal is speed you could have opted for several other platforms ie...hulls that would be better suited than the Excalibur 24 foot V-Bottom. This is akin to buying a Harris Kayot and putting a high dollar blower motor in it with speed as the intended goal. I'm not saying you can't do it just not my first choice by any stretch.

    Note, I am not being disrespectful quite the contrary if you were my friend I would not want you to embark on this type of project and would try and persuade you to think about something else for a go fast project. A small cat ie...Eliminator with your 468 supercharged motor makes more sense than this V-Bottom hull and in the end you will have more smiles like this with a lot less effort and better results.

    If you are still committed to the hull than put that supercharged 468 in the boat with a full hydraulic steering system and a Bravo style drive. The drive will live if you drive it right but to go to an Arneson Bravo conversion makes little sense to me. RIK at Arneson can comment on the financial cost benefit analysis of this option better than I could. Thus, I would defer any further comment on the Arneson choice directly to Rik.

    However, given your budgetary constraints it seems prudent for you to pick up a used Bravo style drive and transom assembly---look on Offshore Only they have some deals if your vigilant. If not call Cobra Performance and talk to Randy Garcia he might have something in his shop he might make you a deal on.

    KAP

    P.S. Any boat with a speed of 70MPH or more [especially v-bottoms] should have full or minimum single ram hydraulic steering.
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    A small cat ie...Eliminator with your 468 supercharged motor makes more sense than this V-Bottom hull and in the end you will have more smiles like this with a lot less effort and better results.


    I don't have experience with the Excalibur 24 foot V-Bottom but I do with a Hallett 240 (bottom looks similar). It works great and handles the power (turbo 510") well. I think your V will make a good platform for your project. Good Luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by KAP View Post
    This is akin to buying a Harris Kayot and putting a high dollar blower motor in it with speed as the intended goal.
    Ok, I'm still lost.... Who would put big power in a "deckboat" to go fast.
    The Excalibur hull design has been splashed by Pantera, Carrera, Superboat, P&D, Python, as well as quite a few others I can't think of at the moment...

    This excalibur runs in the 70's with about 450 hp and a Bravo on it....



    .....Don't get my wrong.. I'd LOVE to have a cat but haven't found any in my price range.

    I got my Excalibur hull for $500.00 ...


    I had full hydraulic steering on my last boat and definately know how to handle a chine walking pos as that's what I had before..
    I wouldn't think the Excalibur would be any worse than my Checkmate was...





    Doug
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    Very simple..."Don't outspend the boat" you have a great project, save your money, shop on OSO and pick up some smokin deals on a drive and other parts, hit Ebay too. The end result should be that you have a safe and reliable boat, I don't think the ARNESON would be the right path for you to go down, don't get me wrong, they build one hell of a drive, but in your application keep it simple, be safe, and have fun...

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    The 24/7's are awesome offshore boats for their size. In case people are wondering what a 24/7 is: 24ft length, 7ft beam. Most have a 24* deadrise and are made for open water. These boats will amaze you with their offshore ability, for their size. Besides the Arneson, you may want to look at purchasing a Merc SSM IIIa, or SSM V. The SSM V (#5) drive is a shortened SSM IIIa (#3a). Both of these drives will handle 800hp in the lite 24ft hull with ease. And, both are stronger than a Bravo ( by far). There are a ton of used equipment available on Offshoreonly.com, including complete drives, standoff boxes, and transmissions....everything you need. A solid BBC with a SSM V would be a bitchen setup in that boat.


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