I'm sure that Bruces pan is sweet, and I don't want to take a sale from him. I have purchased all sorts of crap from him over the years and killed lots of tacos and ice cold beers, then the fokker ups and moves on us!!!! BUT, I also have a pan for sale. It is a Dooley 14 qt pan, and it is ugly. Needs to be painted or recoated. Has windage tray, pick up, and pump if you want. No bolts for the main studs, those stay with motor. Will ship. $225 plus the ride.