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    Default F-22: Pilots refusing to fly?

    Being in the aerospace defense industry and the only reason I'm not in the Air Force is because I'm ineligible, things like this make me mad. I know how the defense industry works, I know how the Air Force works as It's our major customer and I grew up around it. I'm not going to go into detail on my opinions because we sort of lose our rights to speak openly on issues like this but here's a story and at the bottom is the 60 minutes interview.

    Fighter Pilots Claim Intimidation Over F-22 Raptor Jets - Yahoo! News

    Oh, don't forget Lockheed's twitter campaign.

    Lockheed Martin's Response to '60 Minutes': The F-22 Is Pretty Cool - Yahoo! News
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    We watched that 60 minutes episode on Sunday. I was surprised to hear about the bad press on the F22. Definitely is one bad mofo of a fighter jet. I never worked on the F22 but have worked on the F35.
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    After a lengthy investigation, an Air Force Accident Investigation Board could not find the cause of the malfunction but determined "by clear and convincing evidence" that in addition to other factors, Haney was to blame for the crash because he was too distracted by his inability to breathe to fly the plane properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RitcheyRch View Post
    We watched that 60 minutes episode on Sunday. I was surprised to hear about the bad press on the F22. Definitely is one bad mofo of a fighter jet. I never worked on the F22 but have worked on the F35.
    F-22 is a fine plane. However, it has a critical system problem. All planes have problems, even the one I work on that have been flying for over 20 years have system problem. The risk/severity is always considered with these issues, but I think this case with the F-22 is pure politics.

    The answer will probably be that the pilot comes out in the gen 6.

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    Why do they go and blame the pilot, then they change the emergency oxy handle? It definitely sounds like it is a mechanical problem, and they need to fix it; Our Pilots are the greatest in the world, but noone can operate anything without oxygen!

    Kind of reminds me of the USS Iowa turret explosion, where they tried to blame a sailor who was supposedly gay, when the captain and Gunnery Officer knew that they were experimenting with exotic gun powders, etc.....and knew there were problems with the mechanism that rams the powder bags in.

    The only way to fix the problem is to get the facts, then address the real problem.....Cover-ups suck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cvxjet View Post

    The only way to fix the problem is to get the facts, then address the real problem.....Cover-ups suck.
    Are you talking about Holder?
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    Or the BC?

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    Aviation week magazine has a good article on this . Seem they are looking at pilot gear at the moment


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    As for the pilots that refuse to fly . Kick them out . Let them fly some transport route out of Puerto Rico full of banana,s
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    Quote Originally Posted by nOv1c3 View Post
    As for the pilots that refuse to fly . Kick them out . Let them fly some transport route out of Puerto Rico full of banana,s
    There are actually times when the military brass are.......wrong; It happens, and the brass needs to stop looking for a scape-goat and address the real problem......Please show me a man who can fly a plane without oxygen....I mean, maybe you don't mind losing all our pilots and billion dollar F-22s so you can ignore the real problem, but I think thats not the right way to take care of the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cvxjet View Post
    There are actually times when the military brass are.......wrong; It happens, and the brass needs to stop looking for a scape-goat and address the real problem......Please show me a man who can fly a plane without oxygen....I mean, maybe you don't mind losing all our pilots and billion dollar F-22s so you can ignore the real problem, but I think thats not the right way to take care of the problem.
    These were my feelings on it.

    Many planes are obviously able to function at much higher G's than humans, hense pressure suits.

    Have to figure out how to correctly enable the human to fly it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nOv1c3 View Post
    As for the pilots that refuse to fly . Kick them out . Let them fly some transport route out of Puerto Rico full of banana,s
    So if 18% of M4's blew up causing a 2% fatality rate you'd be all for kicking out all the soldiers refusing to fire M4's and wanted to use M16's while M4's go through further testing?

    The cost of the machine is cheap in this case, so you can set that aspect aside.

    If 15% of the Army is Infantry, this leave 170,000 using the weapon regularly. Which means you'd be perfectly fine with 3,400 men and women dying to a faulty design the Army is not willing to fix with a full investigation and temporary discontinuation because it may be embarrassing.

    The Air Force scenario is the same ratio but on a smaller scale, except we lose a multi-million dollar fighter each time it happens critically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cvxjet View Post
    There are actually times when the military brass are.......wrong; It happens, and the brass needs to stop looking for a scape-goat and address the real problem......Please show me a man who can fly a plane without oxygen....I mean, maybe you don't mind losing all our pilots and billion dollar F-22s so you can ignore the real problem, but I think thats not the right way to take care of the problem.
    Get a grip , These are isolated incident . I,m sure everyone in the loop are wanting to find the cause of it . Thats besides the point though ,

    These Pilots signed up for this program , So they should fulfill their obligations , If they cant do that . Transfer out , Its as simple as that
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    Quote Originally Posted by nOv1c3 View Post
    Get a grip , These are isolated incident . I,m sure everyone in the loop are wanting to find the cause of it . Thats besides the point though ,

    These Pilots signed up for this program , So they should fulfill their obligations , If they cant do that . Transfer out , Its as simple as that

    Wow......"They were expendable".....I know, to make them perform better, how 'bout we strap an explosive vest to them....or better yet, strap the explosives to their family.....How about making sure the plane they are flying isn't a death trap?

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    Chuck Yeager is laughing his head off at this entire thread.
    This is a brand new plane with bugs to work out. Some are more significant than others but they will work them out!
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    This is a very fine line to walk

    The pilot in charge, captain.of a ship, rests the responsibilty of worthness

    When we flew to D.S. last week with Bully we used O2 system
    and a finger moniter for oxy saturation warning levels.It's nothing to joke with

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