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    Good Post!.......
    I remember hearing the Dinah Shore Chevrolet song on TV when I was a kid. Use to run around thehouse singing it ! ...Very sad what this nation has become. Many corporate rats are leaving the sinking ship they helped sink. They are saved by our tax money then move on to more bright profit futures elsewhere! They go where the money is as that is all corporations care about.......Again it is sad that America has been so badly mismanaged that we are not the future anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombie View Post
    Good Post!.......
    I remember hearing the Dinah Shore Chevrolet song on TV when I was a kid. Use to run around thehouse singing it ! ...Very sad what this nation has become. Many corporate rats are leaving the sinking ship they helped sink. They are saved by our tax money then move on to more bright profit futures elsewhere! They go where the money is as that is all corporations care about.......Again it is sad that America has been so badly mismanaged that we are not the future anymore.
    And once again you can not get it through your skuill that it has been the Gov, the Unions, and the EPA , etc, etc. that have caused this. But you go ahead and keep blaming the corperations. Let me ask you this. If every corperation stayed and eventually filed bankruptcy and closed thier doors instead of moiving somewhere where they could compete, who would you blame then ?
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    GM wasn't bailed out. It was a hostile government take over using US tax dollars for the expressed purpose of handing to the chinese. Obama had the previous CEO and corporate officers ousted and replace with one of his pawns to get the project moving along at a faster clip.



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    And Ozero has higher asperations than just to be president. If he loses in Nov. he will then move on to the UN where his One World Government is already in the works. Ozero couldn't care less if GM, or any other US based company is in the US, China or in Siberia....It's all going to fall under the same umbrella, the UN. He wants to rule the world and he wants to tax the world so it matters nothing to him where the taxes are collected or in what currency...He wants to rule the world, he's just going about it differently than Hitler but the end results will still be the same as post war Germany only on a much larger scale.
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    Explain to me how a 10% pay raise for employees is going to break the company, but a 200% pay raise for the top executives is considered good business practices; I find it interesting that RCA is basically defunct and owned by Thompson Electronics.....RCA was Radio Company of AMERICA, and Thompson is a FRENCH company.....They beat us because they protect their companies.....Protectionism is wrong, especially when everyone else does it, but we say "NO WAY!!!" and let every US business go under while everyone else laughs at us.....You can't have a true free market when everyone else is playing games. How about MCA, now owned by SONY?

    The unions have hurt us, but the unions gained a lot of power from the Big Biz exectutives giving themselves huge pay raises, then telling the workers that they needed to cut their pay......Together we stand, divided we fall......amazing how those older generations had all these silly sayings that were SOOOOO wrong, like "Spare the rod & spoil the child".....Thank gosh all our kids are so responsible and ready to work- not a lazy bone amongst 'em!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cvxjet View Post
    Explain to me how a 10% pay raise for employees is going to break the company, but a 200% pay raise for the top executives is considered good business practices; I find it interesting that RCA is basically defunct and owned by Thompson Electronics.....RCA was Radio Company of AMERICA, and Thompson is a FRENCH company.....They beat us because they protect their companies.....Protectionism is wrong, especially when everyone else does it, but we say "NO WAY!!!" and let every US business go under while everyone else laughs at us.....You can't have a true free market when everyone else is playing games. How about MCA, now owned by SONY?

    The unions have hurt us, but the unions gained a lot of power from the Big Biz exectutives giving themselves huge pay raises, then telling the workers that they needed to cut their pay......Together we stand, divided we fall......amazing how those older generations had all these silly sayings that were SOOOOO wrong, like "Spare the rod & spoil the child".....Thank gosh all our kids are so responsible and ready to work- not a lazy bone amongst 'em!
    Do you really believe a 200% pay raise for a few top employees is equal to the 10% of TENS OF THOUSANDS, including their retirement? Are you freek'n serious. Ever take a math class? Its this asinine line of thinking that believes that taxing a few rich assholes will fix the debt. There simply is not enough rich pricks. Even if you take every dime they have. This is the tiny ass mind set of the average dick head on the assembly line. Well they have enought to pay the top asshole 20 million but not enough to pay me 10% more. 10% more across the board is like 20 BILLION! dumb ass!

    And, that moron installing tires slower than a high schooler at a tire store IS the problem, not the solution. The brass get paid big bank to find ways to MAXIMIZE PROFITS FOR THE STOCKHOLDERS!!!!!! Get that straight. Its all about the investor. Its ALWAYS has been, it ALWAYS SHOULD BE! Its called free enterprise and the American way. Since 1776.



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    Anyone who believes GM and Ford are moving into China in such a big way for anything but labor costs is simply kidding themselves. The unions have been shooting themselves in the feet for decades with strikes, unrealistic demands and mandated pensions and benefits to the point you simply can't build a car in the USA without the UAW getting in the way and completely screwing things up. What once was the greatest labor force in the world has become just shy of an entitlement class. Now, they will be on the entitlement rolls as the last manufacturing facility closes sooner than later.

    Thank a union for all this.

    The worst part is that they are taking the bailout money to move. Another genius disaster of the Kenyan.
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    when you have a union rule that requires the auto makers to have THOUSANDS of unemployeed workers on the site, on the payroll before you can lay anyone off, something is sorely screwed up. Imagine being forced to have 10% of your workforce on the payroll doing zero before you can layoff anybody. Sounds like the damn federal governments approach.
    Imagine realizing your better off to continue assembling cars even though you have no orders because its better to sell them at a loss than pay workers to do NOTHING FOR MONTHS AT A TIME!
    Tell me again that the unions are socialistic failures and corporate destructive organizations.
    It would be my fondest dream that every auto worker loses his job and his house and everything he owns for the simple greed they exude.Starting with the union heads that led the moron sheep down this path and off the cliff. Let em get real jobs.

    Cars were being assembled by uneducated labor long before the unions "glorified" the job. Its can still be done by ANYBODY that has a heart beat. Its not rocket science. A short order cook at Denny's hads more talent and under more stress than ANYBODY on the line at ANY auto maker.



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    Quote Originally Posted by gn7 View Post
    when you have a union rule that requires the auto makers to have THOUSANDS of unemployeed workers on the site, on the payroll before you can lay anyone off, something is sorely screwed up. Imagine being forced to have 10% of your workforce on the payroll doing zero before you can layoff anybody. Sounds like the damn federal governments approach.
    Imagine realizing your better off to continue assembling cars even though you have no orders because its better to sell them at a loss than pay workers to do NOTHING FOR MONTHS AT A TIME!
    Tell me again that the unions are socialistic failures and corporate destructive organizations.
    It would be my fondest dream that every auto worker loses his job and his house and everything he owns for the simple greed they exude.Starting with the union heads that led the moron sheep down this path and off the cliff. Let em get real jobs.

    Cars were being assembled by uneducated labor long before the unions "glorified" the job. Its can still be done by ANYBODY that has a heart beat. Its not rocket science. A short order cook at Denny's hads more talent and under more stress than ANYBODY on the line at ANY auto maker.
    If a business is allowed to make as much profit as it can for the benefit of the owners, why can't the workers who work for that business try to make as much as they can for their own benefit? The company can sell their product or service for the maximum the market will bear but the employee can not sell his service (his labor) for the maximum? And before you say shit, every company that signs a union contract does so willingly, just like every employee that works for a company does so willingly. You can not fault the union man for trying to make the most he possibly can, just like you can't fault the business for trying to make the most it possibly can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ram78d10 View Post
    If a business is allowed to make as much profit as it can for the benefit of the owners, why can't the workers who work for that business try to make as much as they can for their own benefit? The company can sell their product or service for the maximum the market will bear but the employee can not sell his service (his labor) for the maximum? And before you say shit, every company that signs a union contract does so willingly, just like every employee that works for a company does so willingly. You can not fault the union man for trying to make the most he possibly can, just like you can't fault the business for trying to make the most it possibly can.
    Of course the employee can. And they did. And they over did it. They over played their hand. They thought they had the auto makers in a corner. They did. For awhile. Game over. They STILL can sell their labor for what the market will bear. What do you think that market is? Anybody is allowed to sell what ever, labor or goods for what ever they can get. Key word, what ever they can get. If droids are selling for 120.00, and Iphones are 100.00, that freek'n droid better be equipped with auto suck for that extra 20.00.

    ram, its real simply, NOTHNG, not one single thing in this world is bought or sold, including labor, that both sides don't agree to the deal. BOTH SIDES!!!! The auto makers are getting tired of the gouging and looking else where.

    Here the part you're going to hate for syaing what you did. YOU are RIGHT ram. They have that right. BOTH parties need to agree, or there is no deal. I don't like your price for your hamburger, I go somewhere else. Maybe your hamburger is a BETTER hamburger, but I am not willing to pay that price, so I take my money down the road. Who has screamed this concept for decades. Who said this is EXACTLY how an economy is suppose to work. Who said EXACTLY what you posted. The right to determine your worth, and the right to refuse the offer?























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    If all this union activity was voluntary on everyone's part, someone please explain why they went on strike so many times to get their demands met?

    They gained their stranglehold and misused it. It's that simple. Now, the results are mass exodus. I wonder how many of the UAW will be moving to China to get into that action and try to unionize the auto makers there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ram78d10 View Post
    If a business is allowed to make as much profit as it can for the benefit of the owners, why can't the workers who work for that business try to make as much as they can for their own benefit? The company can sell their product or service for the maximum the market will bear but the employee can not sell his service (his labor) for the maximum? And before you say shit, every company that signs a union contract does so willingly, just like every employee that works for a company does so willingly. You can not fault the union man for trying to make the most he possibly can, just like you can't fault the business for trying to make the most it possibly can.
    So why can't the employee try to make as much as he can by doing the best that he can.That's how you sell your services. Why does the employer have to pay the lazy and unproductive as much as the ambitious and productive ? Every company that signs a union contract is forced to do so.It's called extorsion. Not willingly. How many employees are surrounded and kept from surviving and forced to work for somebody. That comparison is a joke. You are so full of shit you don't even know which way is up. Problem is union people don't understand that jobs carry salaries based on skill level needed to perform the job and enthusiasim and productivity of that job. Unions think shit jobs you can train a monkey to do deserve college graduate pay. If unions are so great and everyone thinks they are necessary why do you have to have laws forcing unions. If unions made companies more profitable every owner would be begging to have union labor. Why do unions have to strike, vandalize, and destroy the companies property to do thier negotiating ? If unions are so good for America do they make up less than 10% of the workforce but chase the biggest companies out of the country ?
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    Non trade, unskilled unions are gangs. Plain and simple. When you look at why unions were formed in the beginning, they had some merit. Horrible work conditions, long hours, no overtime, etc. Thats all law now. Maybe the unions did that for American labor and good for them. But then they became WORSE than the employers ever were. Long hours and no ovewrtime was slavery. Not working at all on the employeers dime while watching TV or paying video games in the company employee "WAITING ROOM" because they can't lay you off, thats EXTORTION!

    ram is very very familiar with free enterprise and selling your skills for whatever you can get. His union said this much, and the employer, all of them, said no thanks. And he ended up washing out. Not enough talent for too much money. It happens every day in the building trades. He is kidding no one, least of all me. I see them come and go due to lack of talent, or lack of drive, or plain simple lazyness. The building trade unions sharpened up and don't play that socialist game as badly as the "maufacturing unions" do. And the civil service unions are the very very very worst of all!!!!!
    ram is unemployeed because he is unemployable, at union wages and he knows it. The union scale priced him out of the market. There are tens of thousands of union dirt pushers out there working, he isn't. My neighbor never missed a day of work due to a slow down in his life, because he was productive, and he made his employer shit loads of money. I NEVER missed a day of work, never fired. Worked for the last employer(I was head hunted) for 27 years. And he made money big time!

    ram hates Friedman economics because it will bury his useless ass. He NEEDS a union like the auto workers to protect his sorry ass, and the dirt pushers don't go quite that far for their members.



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