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    Thumbs down Holder on Guns

    What he really thinks.... from 17 years ago. His stance hasn't changed!



    Brainwash people? Anyone know the definition of "brainwash"?

    brainwash (ˈbreɪnˌwɒʃ)

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    ( tr ) to effect a radical change in the ideas and beliefs of (a person), esp by methods based on isolation, sleeplessness, hunger, extreme discomfort, pain, and the alternation of kindness and cruelty
    "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forkin' Crazy View Post
    What he really thinks.... from 17 years ago. His stance hasn't changed!



    Brainwash people? Anyone know the definition of "brainwash"?

    brainwash (ˈbreɪnˌwɒʃ)

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    ( tr ) to effect a radical change in the ideas and beliefs of (a person), esp by methods based on isolation, sleeplessness, hunger, extreme discomfort, pain, and the alternation of kindness and cruelty

    holder and zero are very Scary and Dangerous creatures.I am confident if he were to be re elected The USA will never be able to recover.

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    Other than his casual use of the term "Brainwashing " do you agree or disagree with his message on how to curtail gun violence among young people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombie View Post
    Other than his casual use of the term "Brainwashing " do you agree or disagree with his message on how to curtail gun violence among young people?
    Do you agree, or disagree with his latest effort to undermine the 2nd amendment? It was called Fast and Furious and it failed miserably.... Does that clip from a few years ago shed any light on whether Holder knew ALL about F&F from the very beginning? Based on recently released documents, it will become apparent that Holder, and quite possibly his boss, not only knew about it, they were complacent in it's planning....... The real question is not if obama throws Holder under the bus, but how soon......
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    That is pretty much my point Ray. Sure makes one suspicious. Especially since Obama was over heard telling Sarah Brady that he was planning something "under the radar".

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    do you agree or disagree with his message on how to curtail gun violence among young people?
    Which young people? The responsible young people that go to school, work, and contribute to society, or the drug dealers, gang members, and welfare leaches? Most of the drug dealers and gang members are convicted felons, so they are already prohibited by law from owning a firearm.

    And I disagree. The answer is education, not regulation. And yes, it is that simple.
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    Fast and Furious was nothing more that a combination of over zealous incompetent ATF agents and under zealous federal prosecutors......... A botched operation is all it was. Had nothing to do with attacking the 2nd amendment except in the delusional minds of some delusional NRA kool aid drinkers.
    Possibly there was some effort by higher ups after the shooting of agent Terry to minimize responsibility.......which is typical when shit goes sideways........The 2nd is safe until the government really feels threatened. (Hint: History indicates that Fascists do not like armed citizens).
    BTW, are you righties a little worried about how Justice Roberts would rule on a future 2nd case ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forkin' Crazy View Post
    That is pretty much my point Ray. Sure makes one suspicious. Especially since Obama was over heard telling Sarah Brady that he was planning something "under the radar".



    Which young people? The responsible young people that go to school, work, and contribute to society, or the drug dealers, gang members, and welfare leaches? Most of the drug dealers and gang members are convicted felons, so they are already prohibited by law from owning a firearm.

    And I disagree. The answer is education, not regulation. And yes, it is that simple.

    And isn't that exactly what Holder was talking about in the video you posted. I'm glad you agree with him ????

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombie View Post
    Fast and Furious was nothing more that a combination of over zealous incompetent ATF agents and under zealous federal prosecutors......... A botched operation is all it was. Had nothing to do with attacking the 2nd amendment except in the delusional minds of some delusional NRA kool aid drinkers.
    Possibly there was some effort by higher ups after the shooting of agent Terry to minimize responsibility.......which is typical when shit goes sideways........The 2nd is safe until the government really feels threatened. (Hint: History indicates that Fascists do not like armed citizens).
    BTW, are you righties a little worried about how Justice Roberts would rule on a future 2nd case ???
    And you KNOW this how??? You can't POSSIBLY KNOW ANYTHING about F&F.... And you call others DELUSIONAL.... You're making totally insane accusations against the very organization that fights the hardest to uphold our Constitutional right to keep, and bare arms...As far as any danger to the 2nd amendment, the whole fucking Constitution is at risk with this Kenyan prick in the WH, what makes you think your vote for obama, (yeah yeah, Johnson, same thing) won't help his handlers undermine this Country even further...... It WILL become apparent the F&F HAD some very ulterior motives, and tracking guns obviously wasn't one of them....AND, the COVER UP goes all the way to the TOP..... Just look at WHO obama gets his advice from, and it aint the DAR.... Is there an ARMED revolution in this Country's future, only time will tell....
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    I am really surprised that you are that stupid, Zombie. Operations like F&F, Gunrunner, etc aren't secrets to the AG's office. And they did pass back door anti gun legislation, even though no guns were sold illegally unless approved by the ATF. Yes, you my say it is insignificant and even minuscule, but it is what it is.

    Do you know how to boil a live frog? You turn up the heat fast and he'll jump out every time, but turn it up slow and he'll just sit there until he is boiled to death.
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    Drugs are illegal and they are plentiful. You make guns illegal and only the criminals with have them. Look at Mexico, you must have a license to own a weapon, there are only 6,000 licenses granted, how many gun owners are there in Mexico? Education is the answer, there should be a mandatory gun training class in high schools. This would make the younger generation more educated on safety of guns. Also, it would in the end promote gun ownership which is a vital right which we, as Americans, should embrace and take advantage of.

    I think most of the population know that Holder is a buffoon. In this case, it is very evident that he would like to eliminate societies ability to own guns and in the end their ability to protect themselves.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Forkin' Crazy View Post
    I am really surprised that you are that stupid, Zombie. Operations like F&F, Gunrunner, etc aren't secrets to the AG's office. And they did pass back door anti gun legislation, even though no guns were sold illegally unless approved by the ATF. Yes, you my say it is insignificant and even minuscule, but it is what it is.

    Do you know how to boil a live frog? You turn up the heat fast and he'll jump out every time, but turn it up slow and he'll just sit there until he is boiled to death.

    What back door anti-gun legislation?
    I just don't see a real threat to gun ownership right now.. Even if I had to register them I will still have them. I already register my boats, cars, etc..... so what?? Any gun you purchased on a form 1473 is already documented to you. BTW, we are at the mercy of the government anyway. They could require a $20.00 tax on all guns to generate revenue. Register them and pay $20.00 or they will be considered contraband ( This is what they did to register machine guns only it was $200.00 ). Of all the constitutional problems we face right now the 2nd amendment is not a problem at all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombie View Post
    Other than his casual use of the term "Brainwashing " do you agree or disagree with his message on how to curtail gun violence among young people?
    What are the true statistics? Do you really know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zombie View Post
    What back door anti-gun legislation?
    I just don't see a real threat to gun ownership right now.. Even if I had to register them I will still have them. I already register my boats, cars, etc..... so what?? Any gun you purchased on a form 1473 is already documented to you. BTW, we are at the mercy of the government anyway. They could require a $20.00 tax on all guns to generate revenue. Register them and pay $20.00 or they will be considered contraband ( This is what they did to register machine guns only it was $200.00 ). Of all the constitutional problems we face right now the 2nd amendment is not a problem at all...
    Why should you have to register them?
    If you believe the 2nd isn't a problem, you truly do live with your head in the sand. I promnise you, it'll be first on O's agenda when he gets re-elected. Any idea why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zombie View Post
    Fast and Furious was nothing more that a combination of over zealous incompetent ATF agents and under zealous federal prosecutors......... A botched operation is all it was. Had nothing to do with attacking the 2nd amendment except in the delusional minds of some delusional NRA kool aid drinkers. Possibly there was some effort by higher ups after the shooting of agent Terry to minimize responsibility.......which is typical when shit goes sideways........The 2nd is safe until the government really feels threatened. (Hint: History indicates that Fascists do not like armed citizens).
    BTW, are you righties a little worried about how Justice Roberts would rule on a future 2nd case ???
    Damn, Z...are you really that naive?
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