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    I have a friend who went thru a DUI check point Fri. night. He hadn't been drinking but was detained and searched for having a tail light out. During the search cops find $30K cash in his glove box and confiscate it rambling on about some 911 terrorist law BS. The guy is a long time legitimate small business owner. He goes to his bank Fri. afternoon and draws out the 30K so he could offer the 30K to a car owner that wants 35K for his car on Sat. Now he has to get an attorney to prove his innocence that the 30K was earned legitimately to get his money back. This is BS gov. at it's worst. Are we now no better off that some communist country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake View Post
    I have a friend who went thru a DUI check point Fri. night. He hadn't been drinking but was detained and searched for having a tail light out. During the search cops find $30K cash in his glove box and confiscate it rambling on about some 911 terrorist law BS. The guy is a long time legitimate small business owner. He goes to his bank Fri. afternoon and draws out the 30K so he could offer the 30K to a car owner that wants 35K for his car on Sat. Now he has to get an attorney to prove his innocence that the 30K was earned legitimately to get his money back. This is BS gov. at it's worst. Are we now no better off that some communist country?
    was he wearing his white robe turban also? Where is the probable cause? I have heard of that problem before where the money was accompanied by a fire arm or two.

    I wonder what the law is, you are a terrorist if you have lump sums of cash like this... Crazy!

    I hope everything works out for your buddy.

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    Fucking asshole cops!!! That's bullshit!!! Sorry bastards were doing similar on I-10 in South Louisiana from what I understand. Under the guise of drug enforcement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forkin' Crazy View Post
    Fucking asshole cops!!! That's bullshit!!! Sorry bastards were doing similar on I-10 in South Louisiana from what I understand. Under the guise of drug enforcement.

    I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. I don't blame the cops but I do blame the Feds and politicians for writing this type of law. They are trying to track cash to make sure they get their tax cut of our cash at our expense of our right to privacy.

    For example; last spring when I hit the road in my motorhome for the summer I went to my bank and withdrew 30K in cash for emergency expenses if needed, before my bank could release the cash to me they had to notify some gov. agency for permission to distribute my cash to me, now that is total bullshit that I need their permission to withdraw my cash!

    What I don't understand though is the govs. assumption that they have the right to make YOU PROVE that the cash is legal and not the other way around that the burden of proof is theirs prior to the right to your money.

    As I understand it now, whenever you withdraw $5,000. in cash or more from your accounts a record must be submitted to the feds. I believe the thresh hold used to be 10K. It is also illegal to withdraw under $5,000. daily in successive days to avoid reporting.

    It is just wrong to treat the majority of citizens like criminals to catch the few criminals, secondly the burden of proof is theirs if they suspect an impropriety prior to a policing action, our country was founded on this very principal and they are abusing that right.

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    No, I am not. Why did they search in the first place? Was it warranted? If you have a tail light out, you get your car searched? That's bullshit! How much money he had was none of their business.

    And yes, that is a bullshit federal law as well. What if I have 30K in gold? Isn't it about the same thing?


    What I don't understand though is the govs. assumption that they have the right to make YOU PROVE that the cash is legal and not the other way around that the burden of proof is theirs prior to the right to your money.

    As I understand it now, whenever you withdraw $5,000. in cash or more from your accounts a record must be submitted to the feds. I believe the thresh hold used to be 10K. It is also illegal to withdraw under $5,000. daily in successive days to avoid reporting.

    It is just wrong to treat the majority of citizens like criminals to catch the few criminals, secondly the burden of proof is theirs if they suspect an impropriety prior to a policing action, our country was founded on this very principal and they are abusing that right.
    So much for innocent until proven guilty. So it is $5K now? WTF? As I said, a preacher and his family were returning from a revival with several thousand dollars in donations. The cops on I-10 stopped them, searched their car, and confiscated the cash, and the sheriff's dept (if I remember correctly) kept it for themselves.

    I agree with everything you've said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake View Post
    I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. I don't blame the cops but I do blame the Feds and politicians for writing this type of law. They are trying to track cash to make sure they get their tax cut of our cash at our expense of our right to privacy.

    For example; last spring when I hit the road in my motorhome for the summer I went to my bank and withdrew 30K in cash for emergency expenses if needed, before my bank could release the cash to me they had to notify some gov. agency for permission to distribute my cash to me, now that is total bullshit that I need their permission to withdraw my cash!

    What I don't understand though is the govs. assumption that they have the right to make YOU PROVE that the cash is legal and not the other way around that the burden of proof is theirs prior to the right to your money.

    As I understand it now, whenever you withdraw $5,000. in cash or more from your accounts a record must be submitted to the feds. I believe the thresh hold used to be 10K. It is also illegal to withdraw under $5,000. daily in successive days to avoid reporting.

    It is just wrong to treat the majority of citizens like criminals to catch the few criminals, secondly the burden of proof is theirs if they suspect an impropriety prior to a policing action, our country was founded on this very principal and they are abusing that right.
    its better to keep the money in a safe deposit box or under your mattress a safe or whatever. but not the bank. because making that .0000015% is not worth the hassle.

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    I've said it before. There are to many cops!!! The politicians keep force funding public safety then tell the voters they are safer because there's more cops on the street. Tell that to someone living in or near Chicago. It's Bull Shit. Not only that, but the retirement benefits and wages we citizens have to pay for this service is ridiculous. Another social service thats breaking the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fullup View Post
    I've said it before. There are to many cops!!! The politicians keep force funding public safety then tell the voters they are safer because there's more cops on the street. Tell that to someone living in or near Chicago. It's Bull Shit. Not only that, but the retirement benefits and wages we citizens have to pay for this service is ridiculous. Another social service thats breaking the country.
    But who is going to bring in the marijuana users and sellers to feed the large bureaucracy of a court system?

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    $5K and over gets reported also if you deposit it.

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    when did it change to 5k? I thought it was still only reported on deposits of 10k

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rexone View Post
    $5K and over gets reported also if you deposit it.
    Uh oh! You should see some of my warehouse checks. I wish my net was as high as my gross!!! LOL!
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    Its been 5k for quite a number of years at Wells Fargo (talkin about cash not checks)

    I rarely have to deal with it since the recession hit.

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    Default Policy sucks, but....

    I agree the policy sucks, but he really shouldn't have any problems getting the money back... Simple paperwork showing compliance with regulations should have the money back in his hands within minutes... If it were ME, I would show up with a lawyer and a threatened lawsuit in hand.... Then, after the return of the funds, I would still sue the bastards for damages, civil rights violations, malfeasance, attorney fees, and a host of other expensive violations...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake View Post
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    What I don't understand though is the govs. assumption that they have the right to make YOU PROVE that the cash is legal and not the other way .
    Hmm, I believe you only have to prove it if there was a CRIME. If there was an arrest for a crime, the cops can seize cash, cars, etc., and you have to prove them wrong.


    Quote Originally Posted by Moneypit View Post
    I agree the policy sucks, but he really shouldn't have any problems getting the money back... Simple paperwork showing compliance with regulations should have the money back in his hands within minutes... If it were ME, I would show up with a lawyer
    Yes, this should be easy to do since there was no crime and no arrest. SHOULD. The cops were still wrong, they STOLE his $.
    Now, I've read some stories in the paper how about how a carload of young men were pulled over, they had $25k cash in the trunk. And they all denied ownership of the $, didn't know anything about it, so the cops kept it.
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    I'm still chuckling at being "poo-pooed" for straying off topic. Awesome.

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