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    Looks like as a state not only is AZ a trailblazer in immigration reform, it also was a leader in the expansion of govt. medical care.

    Deaths Fell in States That Expanded Medicaid, Harvard Study Says - Businessweek

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    Another brilliant study! No shit, they live longer with healthcare?

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    Why do we want retired people who can't pay for the cost of living themeselves to live longer?

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    "as the poor, elderly and other vulnerable people"

    Wouldn't you agree that a healthy society is a more productive society?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RodnJen View Post
    "as the poor, elderly and other vulnerable people"

    Wouldn't you agree that a healthy society is a more productive society?
    Yes I do, I view some of it as contagious, fast reproducing, disease that needs to be irradicated. By doing this you get a healthy society, responsible offspring and more production just like we both want.

    This is not limited to old people who can't pay for their cost of living.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RodnJen View Post
    "as the poor, elderly and other vulnerable people"

    Wouldn't you agree that a healthy society is a more productive society?
    What the hell has happened to this country, when we feel we have to save every lazy soul? With the exception of the handicap, you reap what you sow.

    If you can't afford healthcare, than deal with it. I bet if you told them that, the majority of them would get their act together and our country would be much better off, with a "STRONGER" society, Rod.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icy View Post
    Yes I do, I view some of it as contagious, fast reproducing, disease that needs to be irradicated. By doing this you get a healthy society, responsible offspring and more production just like we both want.

    This is not limited to old people who can't pay for their cost of living.
    I hope Im misunderstanding what you meant. It sounds as though you are in favor of getting rid of the elderly and infirm "for the good of society"?

    Please explain.
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    Concern for the poor is not socialism.




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    Quote Originally Posted by regor View Post
    What the hell has happened to this country, when we feel we have to save every lazy soul? With the exception of the handicap, you reap what you sow.
    Not always.

    Quote Originally Posted by regor
    If you can't afford healthcare, than deal with it.
    My mom is 76 years old, was a P.A. for most of her life, still works a couple of weekends a month. Her house is paid for, and she did all right for herself for retirement. She is healthy and active, but she certainly cant afford medical care on her own. She has had a hip replacement and a knee replacement. and they were both paid by Kaiser. (they suck).

    She did her part, paid taxes, helped others. When she cant work anymore, remember, she's 76, What should she do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by regor View Post
    If you can't afford healthcare, than deal with it. I bet if you told them that, the majority of them would get their act together
    No they wouldn't.



    They would riot instead

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1stepcloser View Post
    Not always.


    My mom is 76 years old, was a P.A. for most of her life, still works a couple of weekends a month. Her house is paid for, and she did all right for herself for retirement. She is healthy and active, but she certainly cant afford medical care on her own. She has had a hip replacement and a knee replacement. and they were both paid by Kaiser. (they suck).

    She did her part, paid taxes, helped others. When she cant work anymore, remember, she's 76, What should she do?
    Lets see. Medicare that working people paid in to. Collect Social Security that was paid in to. Save a nest egg for retirement. Piss off the $100 a month cell phone bill.

    As for your mom, glad she did all right for herself.

    Medical care is not a right. It's a product and as such has a cost associated with it. Whats next, the Affordable Lawyer Care Act?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boss460 View Post
    No they wouldn't.



    They would riot instead

    About 1/2 of them would Boss. I still figure about 1/2 the country feels personally responsible for their own well being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1stepcloser View Post
    Not always.


    My mom is 76 years old, was a P.A. for most of her life, still works a couple of weekends a month. Her house is paid for, and she did all right for herself for retirement. She is healthy and active, but she certainly cant afford medical care on her own. She has had a hip replacement and a knee replacement. and they were both paid by Kaiser. (they suck).

    She did her part, paid taxes, helped others. When she cant work anymore, remember, she's 76, What should she do?
    She shouldn't have to do anything, you on the other hand, should.

    My parents instilled a sense responsibility on me when I was young. They always emphasized saving your money and ALWAYS make sure you have a healthcare plan. We have lost this in our country and allow people to get away with it. I have never been without a plan and never plan on not having one, even if that means, I can't have the non essentials I want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1stepcloser View Post
    I hope Im misunderstanding what you meant. It sounds as though you are in favor of getting rid of the elderly and infirm "for the good of society"?

    Please explain.
    I'm in favor for letting people who can not pay for their own cost of living themselves to find a way to pay for things themselves while following the rule of law. I'm not for the government and the agenecies created that are severly mismanaged cottling a society that allows people to make choices that are determentail to the total health and quality of the society. There is no reason a society should allow young men to rack up as many "baby momma's" as they can when they do not support themselves nor their child. When you have young government dependent men reproducing in numbers above 3 and you have young men who are responsible reproducing in numbers 3 or below, your quality of society is giong to suffer. Eventually those that are dependent will outnumber those who are not. This makes the programs in place cottling the unproductive underfunded in the long run as generations pass based on the duilited concentration of producers in the society.

    There are many people capable of supporting their own cost of living, but they choose to not. The government enables this. Yes, the end result could be death by starvation or disease or jail by breaking the rule of law. Jail should not be a vacation and should be a federal work camp. Each child is given an opprotunity to get educated. High schools and trade schools are plentiful and free. If you want to argue that their parent can't support them, then the government should take them away and put them in a dorm facility that gives them the opportunity to not repeat the mistakes of their parents. They can go to school just like any other child and return to the dorm after school is over. It's cheaper in the long run. Coddling a voter block through entitlements is not the answer to a healthy society.

    I could write a book on this topic and have expressed it in the past. That's just quick driveby summary without the statistics to back it up (which are avaliable).

    In a small sample, you can go thorugh my highschool class. Look at all the people that were pieces of crap in school and have yet to do anyting with their life. The few that were pieces of crap have offspring that outnumber all of the offspring of people that are hard working producers of society. Eventually producers will be the minority if this continues. These programs will not be able to be funded just based on the fact their are too many takers. Generally, the apple doesn't fall from the tree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1stepcloser View Post
    She did her part, paid taxes, helped others. When she cant work anymore, remember, she's 76, What should she do?
    Take a play out of the Japense society's playbook and have the offspring assist her. Usually it's a symbionic relationship when viewed over the length of life and this type of society is often a strong one.

    BTW, her taxes would be less if these programs were not in place. She would have more money to support herself as a retired person and may not be dependent on the government as she is now for her health care.

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