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    Default This Jackwad has obviously never been poor or homeless

    If there's one area of the political spectrum where I strongly veer away from right leaning this is its core. I'm a strong proponent of giving a hand up to the poor, homeless, the elderly AND our veterans. I'm not talking about drug addicts. There are a huge number of poor and homeless in this country that didn't get there because they were dickheads or crackheads or thieves or sexual deviants. I've been on both sides of the poor coin so I know wtf I'm talking about. This idiot clearly doesn't have a clue of the valuable services the soup kitchens and shelters perform. When I read this kind of elitist shit it hits home and pisses me off to no end. With all the money all levels of government completely waste on moronic and stupid shit, discounting and kicking to the curb the lowest financial rung of humanity makes me see red.

    Costa Mesa mayor seeks to 'put the soup kitchen out of business' - latimes.com

    Costa Mesa mayor seeks to 'put the soup kitchen out of business'
    Costa Mesa's Eric Bever calls charities that serve the homeless nuisances; people whose groups have worked in the city for decades say he's misinformed.

    By Mike Reicher, Los Angeles Times

    October 4, 2012

    Looking to cut down on homeless services in Costa Mesa, Mayor Eric Bever has asked the city to investigate some of the city's most prominent and long-running charities.

    Bever singled out Share Our Selves and Someone Cares Soup Kitchen, two decades-old nonprofits that dispense food and medical care to the poor and homeless.

    The mayor compared the charities to nightclubs that have become neighborhood nuisances.

    It would go a long way to solving the problem of homeless people coming to Costa Mesa, the mayor said, "if we managed to put the soup kitchen out of business."

    The homeless population in Costa Mesa has been a stubborn political issue over the years, with some residents complaining that vagrants take over public facilities like Lions Park and the library in the heart of the city's downtown.

    But the assertion that the soup kitchen and outreach center are magnets strictly to homeless people is off base, said Shannon Santos, the executive director of Someone Cares.

    Santos said a survey the soup kitchen conducted in 2011 found that 86% of its patrons said they were from Costa Mesa, and about 40% were low-income seniors, many from the nearby Bethel Towers apartments, which serves seniors with modest incomes.

    "There's a big misconception that the only people we're feeding here at the kitchen are the homeless people," Santos said. "I would love to invite the mayor to come in and see who we are really serving, and I think he'd be surprised."

    Lions Park is midway between the two charities. Someone Cares serves hot meals daily, and Share Our Selves provides a variety of services, including groceries, clothing, mental health counseling and dental care.

    Karen Mechlin, the director of Share Our Selves, said her clients are from Costa Mesa and other Orange County cities, and that Bever "should be proud" that "we are a center that's protecting the health and welfare of the people in the county."

    Mechlin said Bever, who will be termed out of office in November, has never visited the center.

    "He has no knowledge. His message is old," she said. "Thank God he is going out the door."

    In about two weeks, city administrators are planning to meet with Santos at Someone Cares Soup Kitchen. Rick Francis, the city's assistant chief executive, said the city is limited in how it can deal with the nonprofits but will encourage them to focus on serving Costa Mesa residents.

    "We can't infringe on the rights of the service providers to do what they do," Francis said.

    Not all of the council members lined up behind Bever.

    "They are Costa Mesa families, and I think that's where the mayor needs to step back," said Councilwoman Wendy Leece, a liaison to the city's Homeless Task Force. "They are Costa Mesa residents who have fallen on hard times."

    While other Orange County cities have similar services, they might not be as comprehensive as those in Costa Mesa.

    "In a perfect world, everyone would have their own self-contained service model so people wouldn't have to travel here," Francis said, "but we have to deal with the reality before us."

    He added: "We're not going to snap our fingers and make these people go away."

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    News to me that people on the right leaning don't support chairty.

    I think if you went back and looked at who really supports it as a whole you'll find that the right is the right side to be on.

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    It's only charity when someone famous on the left donates, if you're on the right , you're a greedy bastard looking for a tax deduction.



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    Rexone,

    I respectfully disagree about your comment the right doesn't care about the less fortunate

    I live here in the Sacramento area, the Dems are in total control up here and we have sweeps to control the rivers and parks from homeless camps.

    Like the Occupy group, we end up with rapes and murders and a mess.

    I lived on Venice beach and watched the pan handlers for years
    They would get a few bucks and drink it up and do drugs

    I do think meals on wheels is a good idea for the elderly
    and working with veterans to get them back in the work place

    I am very much a right winger and I support my daughter going to third world countries as a doctor and giving aid to the less fortunate
    And we are helping her get a masters in public health to add to her resume

    I think soup kitchens are a balance, they do good but they can also be bad
    ie people hang out with no public restrooms and local business can suffer
    and they have rights too

    Rexone, I feel your compassion and good for you

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    Romney gave more than $2 mil to charity last year. How much did Obama and Biden give?

    Ya.....right wingers are the group that gives the majority of the money to charities.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rexone View Post
    If there's one area of the political spectrum where I strongly veer away from right leaning this is its core.
    So you really think this is the core belief of all Republicans???? WTF?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rexone View Post
    If there's one area of the political spectrum where I strongly veer away from right leaning this is its core. I'm a strong proponent of giving a hand up to the poor, homeless, the elderly AND our veterans. I'm not talking about drug addicts. There are a huge number of poor and homeless in this country that didn't get there because they were dickheads or crackheads or thieves or sexual deviants. I've been on both sides of the poor coin so I know wtf I'm talking about. This idiot clearly doesn't have a clue of the valuable services the soup kitchens and shelters perform. When I read this kind of elitist shit it hits home and pisses me off to no end. With all the money all levels of government completely waste on moronic and stupid shit, discounting and kicking to the curb the lowest financial rung of humanity makes me see red.

    Costa Mesa mayor seeks to 'put the soup kitchen out of business' - latimes.com

    Costa Mesa mayor seeks to 'put the soup kitchen out of business'
    Costa Mesa's Eric Bever calls charities that serve the homeless nuisances; people whose groups have worked in the city for decades say he's misinformed.

    By Mike Reicher, Los Angeles Times

    October 4, 2012

    Looking to cut down on homeless services in Costa Mesa, Mayor Eric Bever has asked the city to investigate some of the city's most prominent and long-running charities.

    Bever singled out Share Our Selves and Someone Cares Soup Kitchen, two decades-old nonprofits that dispense food and medical care to the poor and homeless.

    The mayor compared the charities to nightclubs that have become neighborhood nuisances.

    It would go a long way to solving the problem of homeless people coming to Costa Mesa, the mayor said, "if we managed to put the soup kitchen out of business."

    The homeless population in Costa Mesa has been a stubborn political issue over the years, with some residents complaining that vagrants take over public facilities like Lions Park and the library in the heart of the city's downtown.

    But the assertion that the soup kitchen and outreach center are magnets strictly to homeless people is off base, said Shannon Santos, the executive director of Someone Cares.

    Santos said a survey the soup kitchen conducted in 2011 found that 86% of its patrons said they were from Costa Mesa, and about 40% were low-income seniors, many from the nearby Bethel Towers apartments, which serves seniors with modest incomes.

    "There's a big misconception that the only people we're feeding here at the kitchen are the homeless people," Santos said. "I would love to invite the mayor to come in and see who we are really serving, and I think he'd be surprised."

    Lions Park is midway between the two charities. Someone Cares serves hot meals daily, and Share Our Selves provides a variety of services, including groceries, clothing, mental health counseling and dental care.

    Karen Mechlin, the director of Share Our Selves, said her clients are from Costa Mesa and other Orange County cities, and that Bever "should be proud" that "we are a center that's protecting the health and welfare of the people in the county."

    Mechlin said Bever, who will be termed out of office in November, has never visited the center.

    "He has no knowledge. His message is old," she said. "Thank God he is going out the door."

    In about two weeks, city administrators are planning to meet with Santos at Someone Cares Soup Kitchen. Rick Francis, the city's assistant chief executive, said the city is limited in how it can deal with the nonprofits but will encourage them to focus on serving Costa Mesa residents.

    "We can't infringe on the rights of the service providers to do what they do," Francis said.

    Not all of the council members lined up behind Bever.

    "They are Costa Mesa families, and I think that's where the mayor needs to step back," said Councilwoman Wendy Leece, a liaison to the city's Homeless Task Force. "They are Costa Mesa residents who have fallen on hard times."

    While other Orange County cities have similar services, they might not be as comprehensive as those in Costa Mesa.

    "In a perfect world, everyone would have their own self-contained service model so people wouldn't have to travel here," Francis said, "but we have to deal with the reality before us."

    He added: "We're not going to snap our fingers and make these people go away."

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    Mike, we see this occur in St Louis with larry rice and his shelter...

    It is a really pathetic situation and Larry does a GREAT work for the homeless and doesnt discriminate between druggies or boozers OR Vets that are down on their luck and homeless...

    Its a really great ministry and MANY MANY MANY solid conservative folks all around St Louis donate vast amounts of money and time and resources to his four centers in missouri...

    Here is the rub for me, the Mayor of St louis HATES the work and doesnt want the "bad image" on St Louis and instead of tolerating or helping the situation he FIGHTS Larry Rice...

    The Mayor of St Louis is a die hard Democrat lefty as is all the aldermen that are fighting Larry Rice and his ministry...

    Larry is a good man, a solid guy and he truly cares and helps but in this case it is a DEMOCRAP lefty that is giving him a rough way to go...



    Not wanting or trying to go tit for tat with you BUT the situation in St Louis is VERY bad in that we have freezing temps down below zero at times for several weeks in the winter and in the summer we have extreme heat that goes triple digits. End result is that every winter we have homeless people that freeze to death and poor or homeless elderly folks that die due to the heat in the summer…
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    Probably not helping here and may not be a popular opinion and admittedly my comments wont help, but what weve seen locally is "If you build it they will come" , The Shelters in nearby San Luis Obispo are IMO "magnets" the surrounding streets and neigborhoods are littered, and lined with vagabond campers and decrepid motor homes , crime is an issue the creekbeds and undevelopped areas regularly have suspicious deaths , fights and drug crimes. It cant possibly not effect the safety and security of the neighborhoods not to mention property values . Yes there are legitmatley homeless , needy and downtrodden at these places but also an "element" that seems to elect to live that way traveling around shelter to shelter etc . again I dont have a solution I admit it Tom

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    You bring up a very good point Tom. While everyone thinks that soup kitchens are a great idea, it's always a great idea in someone else' neighborhood.
    My son and I volunteered at the local Catholic cathedral making sandwiches and handing them out for the poor in the Salt Lake area. They all know where the free stuff is and tend to hang out in that area. Urine, feces, trash, drug needles, ect. in the areas surrounding the cathedral is sickening. The cost to keep it clean is tremendous. And if you run out of free stuff? You are the biggest asshole in the world and you hate poor people!!!
    I'm very much in favor of helping people out. At some point it needs to be helping them to get out of their predicament. What's that about give a man a fish?

    In our state parks are signs not to feed the animals because they become too dependent on it.

    BTW, some may think I'm cold hearted, but you'd be surprised as to what I've done in my life.

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    It's sad to take one incident and turn a blind eye to the greater good of the whole charitable community. I would compare this to the Fullerton cops or a typical liberal ploy disquised as democracy.

    Everyone knows about Trayvon Martin, I doubt any of you know about this white mentally challenged lady and the hate crime inflicted upon her as the accused video tape themselves beating her and follow the beating up by posting a video of it on fb.



    UPDATE: Chester cops searching for girls in videotaped beating of 48-year-old woman (Warning: Graphic Video) - delcotimes.com

    Adding a link, a study on who is the most charitable. Wolfie, you won't be suprised. Many of us won't be, it all points red for the most and left for the least. This is an NPR study, none the less.

    Study Reveals The Geography of Charitable Giving : NPR



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    Perhaps I should have been more clear. I should have indicated extreme right. Many of those folks are just against any form of welfare. And I meant the core of my beliefs, not the right. It was late and I could have worded all that much better. << on me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rexone View Post
    Perhaps I should have been more clear. I should have indicated extreme right. Many of those folks are just against any form of welfare. And I meant the core of my beliefs, not the right. It was late and I could have worded all that much better. << on me.
    I think this comment is even more interesting. I don't know who you define as extreme right. For me, extreme right is Hitler, a fascist, Mussolini.

    The left calls the religious folks the extreme right and it is a fact that the religious folks donate more time and money to charity than mainstream America.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ms Understood View Post
    I think this comment is even more interesting. I don't know who you define as extreme right. For me, extreme right is Hitler, a fascist, Mussolini.

    The left calls the religious folks the extreme right and it is a fact that the religious folks donate more time and money to charity than mainstream America.
    Well for the purpose of this thread I'd define extreme right as those folks are just against any form of welfare. I guess I should include many on the left as well. I should have just left it as Jackwad and idiot and called it a day They occupy both sides of the political spectrum. And I have little sympathy for the cause of someone who would categorically dismiss all the poor and homeless as worthless trash. Problems go with the territory. Take 50 people at random off this forum and remove all their income and savings. I'll wager a good percentage would steal and resort to most any means vs starvation.

    I would add that if I were homeless, I'd be pleased to have a vagabond camper or motorhome to sleep in rather than in the river bed or on a bench regardless of how shitty it appeared. We must be careful of how we label the downtrodden by appearance and consider their lack of means (just as I need to be careful how I label the charitable by party affiliation).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rexone View Post
    Well for the purpose of this thread I'd define extreme right as those folks are just against any form of welfare. I guess I should include many on the left as well. I should have just left it as Jackwad and idiot and called it a day They occupy both sides of the political spectrum. And I have little sympathy for the cause of someone who would categorically dismiss all the poor and homeless as worthless trash. Problems go with the territory. Take 50 people at random off this forum and remove all their income and savings. I'll wager a good percentage would steal and resort to most any means vs starvation.

    I would add that if I were homeless, I'd be pleased to have a vagabond camper or motorhome to sleep in rather than in the river bed or on a bench regardless of how shitty it appeared. We must be careful of how we label the downtrodden by appearance and consider their lack of means (just as I need to be careful how I label the charitable by party affiliation).
    It is definitely not a right , left issue. Its a human nature issue. The government is usually the problem. The story I posted not long ago. A woman from the suburbs of Philadelphia was feeding 600 poor children regularly at her house with donations received by the Archdiocese of Philadelphia until the city of Chester shut her down for a city ordinance violation.

    I grew up where poor neighborhoods were entrenched amongst wealthier neighborhoods. I find people looking for a balance. Everyone wants to help and give to those less fortunate on one hand, on the other they drive through the poor neighborhood and see the new housing project erected by tax payers money being destroyed with graffiti and used needles lying all over the ground. You don't want to see the same thing happen in your neighborhood so you direct all your efforts to that neighborhood but eventually you get a chip on your shoulder. You realize that you can lead a horse to water, but you can not make it drink.

    Charity often can be compared to the statement, don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I have lived with people less fortunate and I have helped people less fortunate, and I have been FK'D over by people less fortunate.

    To add, I have been the less fortunate too. I didn't come from a family of privelage.



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