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    Next week the congress will hold closed hearings regarding the Libya murders. After all the exposure this story has drawn, what is so secret that it can't be discussed in a public hearing?

    People, you are being played by your elected officials, we as private citizens deserve to know what our government is doing. The dick wads who were in charge during this cover up need to be found out for who they are, no excuses! Out of town? Tuff, make it a point to be there, we don't want you fucking up anything else until we find out what happened here! Is this not how our business lives are conducted? I expect no less from our politicos!

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    Maybe classified information will be discussed that you have no business knowing about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake View Post
    ...After all the exposure this story has drawn...
    On Faux maybe...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ram78d10 View Post
    Maybe classified information will be discussed that you have no business knowing about.

    You know as well as I do that the conversations can be held limiting exposure to sensetive information. Are you worried that your messia might be incriminated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake View Post
    You know as well as I do that the conversations can be held limiting exposure to sensetive information. Are you worried that your messia might be incriminated.
    My messiah was already incriminated and put to death. He rose three days later. You might have heard of him, his name is Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

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    I wonder if they will let the parents and families of the 4 that were sacrificed for political gain attend. If anyone should have the right to attend and hear everything, it would be them.

    Closed hearing in general create a mental image of fixed hearings and it's rigged. But, the main reason it rings of something wrong to so many, is so many know that this administration has absolutely no morals, nor any integrity. Isn't a shame when you not only can't trust your government, but you can no longer even hope for them to do the honest and propper thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by snoc653 View Post
    I wonder if they will let the parents and families of the 4 that were sacrificed for political gain attend. If anyone should have the right to attend and hear everything, it would be them.

    Closed hearing in general create a mental image of fixed hearings and it's rigged. But, the main reason it rings of something wrong to so many, is so many know that this administration has absolutely no morals, nor any integrity. Isn't a shame when you not only can't trust your government, but you can no longer even hope for them to do the honest and propper thing?
    What exactly were the political gains you refer to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shueman View Post
    On Faux maybe...
    Yes and Thank God!
    Otherwise we would ALL be treated like mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed shit. But you may like that sort of thing...
    Where do you get your news?.... from the likes of David Letterman and The View....oh yeah, there is also Good Morning America and Yahoo News
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    Quote Originally Posted by Never Say Never View Post
    What exactly were the political gains you refer to?
    When our security forces are withdrawn from around the embasy and a token force left, to give the apperance that the area is stable; that is political gain. Someone wanted to give a false impression.

    When an Ambasader requests additional security and is denied to avoid causing tensions between the host country and our POS; that is for political gain.

    When Soveriegn US Soil is attacked and the response to all who mustered to help was "Stand Down"; that reeks of a hidden political agenda, which would constitute for political gains if true.

    Which is why the hearings should be public. IF someone let 4 US citizens die, US Soil be invaded, and our National Image to be sullied for political gain, something needs to be done about it. And the American public deserves to know that it is a legitimate effort to find the truth and hold those accountable for this incident. It doesn't matter if the political gain sought, was for our POTUS, or if it was by a senior cabinet member (Hilary), someone should be held accountable and made to pay the price for what transpired.

    I think Gen Petraius (sp) resigned so that he can speak the truth without repercussions. He may not have been a great general, but he knows we don't leave our own behind. Nor do we turn our backs on them when they are under attack and asking for help. And that is what happened. Regardless of the politics, 2 dedicated soldiers and 2 other American citizens were left to die at the hands of those wishing to discredit the United States. We had the means, the ability, and the oppertunity to prevent this! And after it was unpreventable, we still had the ability to limit the casulties and turn the attack back. We not only failed to do that, but someone ordered troops preparing to do just that to stop and stand down.

    And not only did the administration know that what had transpired was wrong, they tried to hide it from the public. That is for political gains. And the reason why needs to be addressed. And the person responsible needs to account for his actions or those he authorized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snoc653 View Post
    When our security forces are withdrawn from around the embasy and a token force left, to give the apperance that the area is stable; that is political gain. Someone wanted to give a false impression.

    When an Ambasader requests additional security and is denied to avoid causing tensions between the host country and our POS; that is for political gain.

    When Soveriegn US Soil is attacked and the response to all who mustered to help was "Stand Down"; that reeks of a hidden political agenda, which would constitute for political gains if true.

    Which is why the hearings should be public. IF someone let 4 US citizens die, US Soil be invaded, and our National Image to be sullied for political gain, something needs to be done about it. And the American public deserves to know that it is a legitimate effort to find the truth and hold those accountable for this incident. It doesn't matter if the political gain sought, was for our POTUS, or if it was by a senior cabinet member (Hilary), someone should be held accountable and made to pay the price for what transpired.

    I think Gen Petraius (sp) resigned so that he can speak the truth without repercussions. He may not have been a great general, but he knows we don't leave our own behind. Nor do we turn our backs on them when they are under attack and asking for help. And that is what happened. Regardless of the politics, 2 dedicated soldiers and 2 other American citizens were left to die at the hands of those wishing to discredit the United States. We had the means, the ability, and the oppertunity to prevent this! And after it was unpreventable, we still had the ability to limit the casulties and turn the attack back. We not only failed to do that, but someone ordered troops preparing to do just that to stop and stand down.

    And not only did the administration know that what had transpired was wrong, they tried to hide it from the public. That is for political gains. And the reason why needs to be addressed. And the person responsible needs to account for his actions or those he authorized.
    Why does there need to be hearings??? You seem to know it all. Seems to me that those who are propagating the majority of what you've stated as fact, are the ones who are using the deaths of four American in Libya, for political gain. (boy was that long winded)

    Not withstanding my comments, opinions or disagreement, I appreciate you taking the time to write a thought out response. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snoc653 View Post
    When our security forces are withdrawn from around the embasy and a token force left, to give the apperance that the area is stable; that is political gain. Someone wanted to give a false impression.

    When an Ambasader requests additional security and is denied to avoid causing tensions between the host country and our POS; that is for political gain.

    When Soveriegn US Soil is attacked and the response to all who mustered to help was "Stand Down"; that reeks of a hidden political agenda, which would constitute for political gains if true.

    Which is why the hearings should be public. IF someone let 4 US citizens die, US Soil be invaded, and our National Image to be sullied for political gain, something needs to be done about it. And the American public deserves to know that it is a legitimate effort to find the truth and hold those accountable for this incident. It doesn't matter if the political gain sought, was for our POTUS, or if it was by a senior cabinet member (Hilary), someone should be held accountable and made to pay the price for what transpired.

    I think Gen Petraius (sp) resigned so that he can speak the truth without repercussions. He may not have been a great general, but he knows we don't leave our own behind. Nor do we turn our backs on them when they are under attack and asking for help. And that is what happened. Regardless of the politics, 2 dedicated soldiers and 2 other American citizens were left to die at the hands of those wishing to discredit the United States. We had the means, the ability, and the oppertunity to prevent this! And after it was unpreventable, we still had the ability to limit the casulties and turn the attack back. We not only failed to do that, but someone ordered troops preparing to do just that to stop and stand down.

    And not only did the administration know that what had transpired was wrong, they tried to hide it from the public. That is for political gains. And the reason why needs to be addressed. And the person responsible needs to account for his actions or those he authorized.
    Number one, it didn't happen at the US Embassy. Number two, what political gain was there, and who benefited from said gain, to let the ambassador die? Number three, What order? No proof of an order to stand down has been made public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ram78d10 View Post
    Number one, it didn't happen at the US Embassy. Number two, what political gain was there, and who benefited from said gain, to let the ambassador die? Number three, What order? No proof of an order to stand down has been made public.
    Ok call it the Counsate, still soverign US Soil, and the Ambassador is the POTUS' personal representative to the Lybian President. As I already outlined what gain I was talking about, I don't have time to explain the words that contain more than 4 letters to you. As for who gained, that is what the hearing needs to determine. And it doesn't matter if they actually gained, it is if they acted out of the perception of gaining something. But for the record, the Lybian government gained. Due to this attack, the President of Lybia ordered that all unauthorized militias either disband or come under government control. Which a good many of them have complied with. So they have gained, but is that gain a result of someone intentionally not responding to the requests for more security and not answering the calls for help or was it just taking advantage of a bad situation? Was there a political motivation that could have impacted the Presidential race had this attack gone differently or not happened at all? Lots of rumors floating around. And some of those rumors definately should be proven or disproven. So lets have hearings and find out what really went wrong.

    And what order? Hmmm let's see. General Petraus stated that HE did not give the order to stand down. He did not say there was no order to stand down. This means that someone else did give that exact order. Just like someone else gave the order to stand down to Gen Ham, and when he didn't, he was relieved of his command (later his reassignment was announced). So who was behind the order to stand down and who made the call to not render aid? These are very viable questions and someone(s) as a result of giving that order should be forced to account for their actions.

    BTW Petraus was not in the military as the Director, so no military officer could order him to stand down. Nor could any military officer go over his head and order his people to stand down.


    NeversayNever: what I have stated as factual events are taken from public reports that are at least credible and most of them are very reputable. It meets the threshold of probability that would (should) trigger an official investigation into the events. Perhaps the entire thing was a combination of coincidence and bad judgement. But, the military doesn't sweep things under the carpet after someone labels it as coincidence. And US Military members died defending a US delegation. It is worthy of investigation and total disclosure. Especially since Mr. Transparent denied it was a terrorist attack and we now hear reports that there was no spontanious protest at all, just this planned attack. Confusing a planned attack that occurs under the mask of a demonstration is one thing. But if there was no demonstration masking the attack, then the POTUS flat out lied to the American Public. Again that would cross the threshold of someone needs to find out why.

    Edit: had the wrong general listed. Hard to keep track of all the generals that 0 has moved or forced to resign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snoc653 View Post
    And what order? Hmmm let's see. General Petraus stated that HE did not give the order to stand down. He did not say there was no order to stand down. This means that someone else did give that exact order.
    It does? I didn't give an order to stand down either. Is that more proof that someone else gave that order?

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    [QUOTE=ram78d10;1743380]Number one, it didn't happen at the US Embassy. Number two, what political gain was there, and who benefited from said gain, to let the ambassador die? Number three, What order? No proof of an order to stand down has been made public.[/QUOTE]



    Absolutly not true! The two seals were ordered to stand down twice, an order that they disregarded and later died for. The fourth coming testimoney will completely prove that you don't know shit about what has already been released and what is fourthcoming.


    Two men from the Gov. one retired CIA and the other a high ranking retired militery officer appeared today on the justice Janeen (SP) show and told how the situation unfolded. The call was zeros and he gave a non comital order and nothing was done. Your boy zero has the deaths of these four men to account for just to get re-elected.

    You dickwad, four men died because of bullshit politicts and you further discrace their memory with your unknowing bullshit. You are one of the biggest chicken shit lying cowards to ever speak the english language!
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