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    (Reuters) - Two U.S. senators launched a fresh move to put together a bipartisan immigration reform plan on Sunday, restarting talks on a proposal that includes a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants already in the country.
    Since President Barack Obama was re-elected last week with overwhelming support from Hispanic voters, many Republicans have expressed a new willingness to work with Democrats to pass immigration reform after years of legislative inaction.
    Momentum builds for U.S. immigration reform plan - Yahoo! News

    Right with the program. Blame yourself on this one ram. You say you don't want the illegals to be legalized, but then you put the people in office that do that very thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forkin' Crazy View Post
    Momentum builds for U.S. immigration reform plan - Yahoo! News

    Right with the program. Blame yourself on this one ram. You say you don't want the illegals to be legalized, but then you put the people in office that do that very thing.
    Here you go ram, the newest 2013 Obama Import HIGH VOLUME CEMENT MIXER/PUMPER all in one.
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    The Graham and Schumer plan has four components: requiring high-tech, fraud-proof Social Security cards to ensure that illegal workers cannot get jobs; strengthening border security and enforcement of immigration laws; creating a process for admitting temporary workers; and implementing a path to legal status for immigrants already in the country. Schumer said the plan embraces "a path to citizenship that's fair, which says you have to learn English, you have to go to the back of the line, you've got to have a job, and you can't commit crimes."
    Graham added, "Sixty-five percent of the people in the exit poll of this election supported a pathway to citizenship."

    I support 1,2,3 of the GS plan. I'm not to hot about the idea of a path to citizenship, but 65% of American's apparantly do support it to some extent. I also realize I am just one American in a country of 320 million Americans, so unlike conservatives, I know that I can't always get everything I want.

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    FRAUD PROOF, what a laugh......
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    Update Found my old Sanger 12/7/14 in Reno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruise Brothers Dad View Post
    FRAUD PROOF, what a laugh......
    How is that any more laughable than "sealing the borders"
    Same people in charge of voter fraud, SS fraud, investor and banking fraud, internet fraud. Its all laughable.

    You want the borders sealed, WE THE PEOPLE know how to seal a border. Get the flock out of the way, maybe even put a taxpayer funded bounty on them, or let them rot in the sun for the others to see. If they aren't worth anything to drag back, leave em.
    Japan was scare shitless to invade the US. Mexicans aren't scared because the US government refuses to call it an enemy invasion.

    The majority of the people have let the government know they want it stopped, yet they refuse to allow it to be stopped. The WE THE PEOPLE are being ordered to "stand down"



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    Fuck them, they came here illegally, go back to where you came from and file for a green card!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I don't want to share my country with a bunch of criminals!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake View Post
    Fuck them, they came here illegally, go back to where you came from and file for a green card!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I don't want to share my country with a bunch of criminals!
    Jake, with all due respect;

    As a “right leaning independent” I realize what I am about to post will be most unpopular, but “I call em as I see em…..”

    Suppose you were born and grew up in a county with zero prosperity and every day filled with turmoil and no hope for employment. Your children are starving and you cannot afford their next meal or a pair of shoes for them. But, just to your north, is a country filled with prosperity, opportunity and hope. With your Mexican government in mayhem you haven’t a clue as how to begin to obtain a “green card”…..besides that, you have heard, “ you don’t need one”. Good news for you, it appears this land of opportunity to your north has turned their backs and left their borders unguarded and wide open and appear to no longer care who enters…..all you have to do is walk across to the land of opportunity where you can get a job, although it may be illegal. But it is a way to feed and clothe your family.

    Question to ask yourself: Are you man enough to do whatever it takes to provide shelter,food and clothing for your family? I would hope so, I know I would. So here is the problem…..

    A couple of years ago Alabama passed very strong laws against illegals, and when it was passed the illegals went running….. Yes, the majority were indeed illegal, but many legal immigrants fled as well, numbers lived here for decades as productive, hardworking, honest (besides their citizenship), people. Matter of fact, some of the hardest working, God fearing and caring men you will EVER find or ever hope to find......

    Is it their fault we turned our backs, offered opportunity via an open border, and allowed easy entry into our country? If I would have been in their shoes, family starving…, I would have done the exact same thing, and chances are, you would have too…..

    The Fix: Shut borders immediately with whatever means possible. …preferably the military, fence is a joke, but there are other workable options…..IMHO, People crossing the borders illegally should be shot on sight! However, to think we can round up all illegals like the Nazi’s did with the Jews and ship them back is not only insane to say the least, but an impossible task. I cannot believe I am saying this, but the Obama plan to allow the “law abiding” immigrants to register and remain is not only humane, but is the first reasonable steps to a practical resolve.

    Please understand, I agree, the rogue immigrants should be banished as soon as they are adequately identified, or shot on sight!.....NO MERCY!!!!

    Let’s not punish and crucify immigrants that did the same as any upstanding father would do for his family! They simply love their families……Is that worth dying for?….YES!, but in this case, totally avoidable and unnecessary.

    I will remind you of the quote of our Statue of Liberty…

    "Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

    I for one believe this philosophy made us the "Great Country" we are….. In this case, entering through her “golden door” happen to be the unguarded open border with Mexico. Don’t forget, we left the “golden door” wide open for them…..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ram78d10 View Post
    The Graham and Schumer plan has four components: requiring high-tech, fraud-proof Social Security cards to ensure that illegal workers cannot get jobs; strengthening border security and enforcement of immigration laws; creating a process for admitting temporary workers; and implementing a path to legal status for immigrants already in the country. Schumer said the plan embraces "a path to citizenship that's fair, which says you have to learn English, you have to go to the back of the line, you've got to have a job, and you can't commit crimes."
    Graham added, "Sixty-five percent of the people in the exit poll of this election supported a pathway to citizenship."

    I support 1,2,3 of the GS plan. I'm not to hot about the idea of a path to citizenship, but 65% of American's apparantly do support it to some extent. I also realize I am just one American in a country of 320 million Americans, so unlike conservatives, I know that I can't always get everything I want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SNiC View Post

    I will remind you of the quote of our Statue of Liberty…

    "Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

    I for one believe this philosophy made us the "Great Country" we are….. In this case, entering through her “golden door” happen to be the unguarded border with Mexico. Don’t forget, we left the “golden door” open for them…..
    1886, the START of the industrial revolution in this country. Try to keep in mind that THOSE people all entered the country legally. WE had more work than we could handle with the population we had and the demand for goods. Unemployement was considered a disgrace because there was no reason to be unemployeed, PERIOD!

    Its not just about the coming here for a better life, its the coming here for the USERY. Then, to add salt to the wound, DEMANDING CHANGE on their behalf.
    Ever see a Mexican protest and the waving of the Mexican flags?
    Show me a protest picture from the turn of the 20th century of Italians, Germans, Poles, or French waving their flags.

    Yes their government is a mess. But rather than CHANGE theirs, they would rather come here and DEMAND we change ours.
    Sorry, I rather kick your whiney ass out than change our government to fit your illegal, law breaking ass.

    Sorry, get your ass back in line, come here LEGALLY, and don't ask for one freek'n thing that you didn't EARN. That includes health care, SS, or anything else you THINK you are entitled to. YOU'RE NOT!
    Bad enough we have 47 million we already are slaves to. No need to invite the whole freek'n world. In time, they will make it no different than the country they came from if you allow it. 99% have no intention of melding in, and leaving their country behind. The very country YOU claim they fled for work and food, they fully EMBRACE and have no intentions of giving up. Both in culture, and in loyalty.

    I speak english here. EVERY immigrant from Europe I have met speaks english quite well. Ever see a poster, or application, or anything else printed in Polish, German, French, or Italian from the early 1900's?

    Henry Ford had school classes for employees to learn english, American history and other subjects. You attended, or you were fired. PERIOD!

    Keep in mind SNiC, that only 4 VERY SHORT years, 1882, before the Statue of Liberty was dedicated, the U.S. Congress passed the Chinese Exclusion Act, and extended it again in 1892, and it remained in effect until WWII. All that time any Chinese already here was barred from citizenship.
    All that time, Europeans were pouring into this country like sand thru an hour glass. WHY?



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    Quote Originally Posted by gn7 View Post
    1886, the START of the industrial revolution in this country. Try to keep in mind that THOSE people all entered the country legally. WE had more work than we could handle with the population we had and the demand for goods. Unemployement was considered a disgrace because there was no reason to be unemployeed, PERIOD!

    Its not just about the coming here for a better life, its the coming here for the USERY. Then, to add salt to the wound, DEMANDING CHANGE on their behalf.
    Ever see a Mexican protest and the waving of the Mexican flags?
    Show me a protest picture from the turn of the 20th century of Italians, Germans, Poles, or French waving their flags.

    Yes their government is a mess. But rather than CHANGE theirs, they would rather come here and DEMAND we change ours.
    Sorry, I rather kick your whiney ass out than change our government to fit your illegal, law breaking ass.

    Sorry, get your ass back in line, come here LEGALLY, and don't ask for one freek'n thing that you didn't EARN. That includes health care, SS, or anything else you THINK you are entitled to. YOU'RE NOT!
    Bad enough we have 47 million we already are slaves to. No need to invite the whole freek'n world. In time, they will make it no different than the country they came from if you allow it. 99% have no intention of melding in, and leaving their country behind. The very country YOU claim they fled for work and food, they fully EMBRACE and have no intentions of giving up. Both in culture, and in loyalty.

    I speak english here. EVERY immigrant from Europe I have met speaks english quite well. Ever see a poster, or application, or anything else printed in Polish, German, French, or Italian from the early 1900's?

    Henry Ford had school classes for employees to learn english, American history and other subjects. You attended, or you were fired. PERIOD!

    Keep in mind SNiC, that only 4 VERY SHORT years, 1882, before the Statue of Liberty was dedicated, the U.S. Congress passed the Chinese Exclusion Act, and extended it again in 1892, and it remained in effect until WWII. All that time any Chinese already here was barred from citizenship.
    All that time, Europeans were pouring into this country like sand thru an hour glass. WHY?
    Excellent points...very little disagreement with the cause and effect and to what we should have done as preventive measures in the past. But, with all due respect, all who are here illegally are not here to change us, they came here to join us....politics was the LAST thing on their minds. Is it their faults they are being exploited by the Dems?

    What's your answer to this situation?
    What would you specifically purpose, in general terms, as the first steps to a resolve?
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    Sign a law that dumps 10 million fence jumpers in line to compete with real U.S. citizens in a labor market that is already in the crapper would push unemployment percentages well into mid 20%...Which happens to be depression area numbers...

    Maybe we have to hit bottom to find our way out of the hole our leadership has dug for us. The foundation for the prosperity we once enjoyed was laid by the people who made it through a time
    when things must have seemed impossibly difficult. Few people understand what it would be like to wake up hungry in the morning.....because they didn't have enough food the day before...no job, just like everybody else....no food because even if you had money there was little to even buy any. The people who lived those times had to be tough to just survive....Those people are almost gone now, my mom was born 1919 and she still has some of that toughness one only learns from living it..
    Things have been easy for to long....the left takes it for granted, like easy is some kind of right they `rhave just because they live in this great country while the right seems to understand that prosperity is something that must be earned every day of your life. Given our present direction it's only a matter of time before the shit hits the fan.

    The only reason the left wants more fence jumpers is for more votes to stay in power, but their direction is self destructive....they don't understand just how little it would take to tip the entire economy over into a depression...it could be as simple as the massive budget cuts necessary to
    balance the books...start cutting spending and people loose jobs..more unemployment is the last thing we need.....

    I have said it before..the only way out begins with cutting every check the government writes by a percentage....10% off the top....only exceptions would be people who are at or near poverty level...

    Government employees will squeel like little pigs but most of the people who pay their salaries have been dealing with it for several years now....and how do we manage? More efficient, less waste. We can account for where every dollar goes.....Reducing instead of cutting won't add people to unemployment lines....less money is better than no job anytime.

    Easy way to seal the borders 'bombing range' turn the first few miles of our southern border into no mans land...when jets start flying over and drop things that go boom very few people will want to go hiking..
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    Quote Originally Posted by SNiC View Post
    Excellent points...very little disagreement with the cause and effect and to what we should have done as preventive measures in the past. But, with all due respect, all who are here illegally are not here to change us, they came here to join us....
    What's your answer to this situation?
    What would you specifically purpose as the first steps to a resolve?
    EVERY last one that came into this country created a situation of distrust, and to some extent hatered for them. THEY created it, not us. Legal immigrant into this country at the turn of the 20th century were treated every bit as bad if not worse by many. And they were here LEGALLY! Sneeking in, and lying thru your teeth to stay here is not the best method to receive simpathy.
    Break into my house, eat my food, take my money, and DEMAND even more when I come home, will get you killed, not fed and clothed.
    Me inviting you in, and your DEMANDS will only serve to get you tossed out on your ass, and you ruined it for the next guy.
    Not looking forward to a none english speaking POTUS named Jose' born in Juarez. Already have one from Kenya, and you see how thats working for us.

    something seriously wrong with our government when they can move easier and more freely from there to here, than you and I can from state to state.

    Sure SNiC, they are all here to join us, so long as we talk to them in spanish, and we don't ask them for a drivers license when pulled over, don't impound there car for no registration or insurance, because they need it to get to work tomorrow, and take his kids to school you paid for, and wife to the emergency room that night to deliever their first American born citizen child ON YOUR DIME.

    LIKE SHBH posted, ALL the illegals go home first. Then WE determine how many and WHO gets back in. BUT THEY GO HOME FIRST!



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    I agree with gn7. So do the Mexicans that I know who came here legally. Refer to the picture I posted on election night. Yo vote next to the American flag. I imagine living in Alabama has you far removed from the reality of living in a border state. I can be compassionate to their plight but can't ignore that they are here illegally . I know several Mexican families that are here legally yet they still send money home with the intent of retiring in Mexico. Everyone does not want to be here , nor do the want to assimilate. This is all generalizing of course .



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ms Understood View Post
    I agree with gn7. So do the Mexicans that I know who came here legally. Refer to the picture I posted on election night. Yo vote next to the American flag. I imagine living in Alabama has you far removed from the reality of living in a border state. I can be compassionate to their plight but can't ignore that they are here illegally . I know several Mexican families that are here legally yet they still send money home with the intent of retiring in Mexico. Everyone does not want to be here , nor do the want to assimilate. This is all generalizing of course .
    Watched a very good documentary about why the republicans need to embrace the latino vote. Because they feel alienated by the right. They feel we all have them labeled as illegal law breakers. This is from 3 and 4th generation American born and raised latinos. INCLUDING CUBANS who hated democrates for years after the Bay of Pigs fiasco.

    But at the same time, they hate those that made us feel this way due to there illegal entry into this country, and the "system" abuses and demands they insist they are entitled to.
    Funny, the ones born and raised here, American citizens, many paying taxes which is something ram doesn't even do, are the least vocal. The illegals are the ones making most of the noise.
    After watching the program you get the idea that even the ones born here want them to SFU.

    Not alot different than the muzzie immigrants. Some demand sharia law, while others are saying GO HOME! we came here to escape that.



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