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    To disarm America? Please read if you have the time.


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    OBAMA'S SECRET GUN BAN LIST
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    URGENT: Barack Obama's secret proposed gun ban list has been leaked. And, just like we thought it would be, it is extensive – ranging from handguns to shotguns! It is meant to eradicate your legal gun rights one semiautomatic at a time UNLESS Congress takes action to defend our Right to Keep and Bear Arms before we the people are disarmed for good!
    Courtesy of Alan Korwin, author of Gun Laws of America, who obtained a copy of the Brady Campaign's Gun Ban proposal (which matches Sen. Dianne Feinstein's proposed gun ban!), we now know just how far-reaching and relentless the second Obama administration's attack on our Second Amendment rights and freedoms is going to be…
    Among the weapons targeted by this administration (and expected to be introduced by the Brady group in the near future) are semiautomatic pistols, rifles and shotguns:
    Rifles (or copies or duplicates): M1 Carbine, Sturm Ruger Mini-14, AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, AR-10, Thompson 1927, Thompson M1, AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR, Olympic Arms PCR, AR70, Calico Liberty, Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or DragunovSVU, Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC, Hi-Point20Carbine, HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG-1, Thompson 1927 Commando, Kel-Tec Sub Rifle, Saiga, SAR-8, SAR-4800, SKS with detachable magazine, SLG 95, SLR 95 or 96, Steyr AU, Tavor, Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz)
    Pistols (or copies or duplicates): Calico M-110, MAC-10, MAC-11, MPA3, Olympic Arms OA, TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22 Scorpion or AB-10, Uzi
    Shotguns (or copies or duplicates): Armscor 30 BG, SPAS 12 or LAW 12, Striker 12, Streetsweeper
    And in the event they missed anything or there are any new designs down the road, there is even a catch-all category to include other semiautomatic rifles or pistols (and their respective accessories) not deemed suitable for "sporting purposes"!
    And "sporting purposes" as defined by extremist gun-grabbers are the ONLY grounds the powers that be in Obama's DC deem give you any claim to possess your gun!
    But that's not all!
    Under the Brady proposal, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder gets sole discretion to ban guns at will.
    YOU READ THAT RIGHT! If Obama's gun ban lobby isn't stopped, Holder will soon be determining whether or not YOUR firearm is "particularly suitable" for sporting purposes!
    As you may or may not remember, Eric Holder wrote a brief in the infamous Heller case supporting the position that you – or any other law-abiding American – have no right to possess a working firearm in your own home!
    And now we have this bill which intends to ban ANY firearm ever obtained or ever used by federal officers or the military as not suitable, even for your personal collection!
    Alan Korwin, a leading expert on America's gun laws, hits the nail on the head hammering the creation of the term "sporting purpose" – to be understood that a firearm doesn't have a sporting purpose just because it can be used for a sporting purpose – "as a rights infringement with no constitutional or historical support."
    This proposed gun ban list MUST BE STOPPED in its tracks!
    Our Second Amendment Right to Keep and Bear Arms was not written by our Founding Fathers with a "sporting purpose" caveat or an asterisk mark to read the fine print. But that's not stopping the Obama administration and its anti-gun zealots trying to categorically dismantle our gun rights.
    Just as Barack Obama's anti-gun politics are nothing new, it's no coincidence that this tyrannical administration is trying to strip away our one right that is the great bulwark of protection for We the People from tyranny! This new heinous gun ban list will be pushed through with a complicit attorney general and a president who hate and abhor liberty, our ability to legally defend ourselves and our families, and our devotion to upholding our constitutional rights. Obama and the gun-grabbing extremists want control, and if this gun ban list is not stopped, they will have it!
    Our Right to Keep and Bear Arms is not only not being defended in Washington – it is under attack on Capitol Hill where Sen. Diane Feinstein is proposing a radical change that would ban thousands of firearms and ultimately require gun owners to hand them over to the federal government in what is being called "the most significant attack on the Second Amendment in history."
    Obama, his loyalists on Capitol Hill and on K Street are united with the gun control lobby kooks, and they are NOT backing off!
    If we fail to demand the full support of our elected representatives to stand up for our Second Amendment Right to Keep and Bear Arms, our guns will be gone and our other freedoms will follow!
    California Senator Dianne Feinstein's legal staff held meetings last month with FTB and ATF legal staff to discuss the possibility of a vast and far-reaching new "Assault Weapons Ban," just like Barack Obama hinted at during the pre-election presidential debates…
    Feinstein wants to reintroduce Clinton era gun control regulations that she cosponsored and had pass in 1994, and then she wants to go one step further.
    According to one source who attended the meeting, the banned items would include pistol grips and "high-capacity" magazines. The new ban would also eliminate any grandfathering of weapons and ban sales of "weapons in possession."
    Feinstein first alluded to her renewed aggression against our gun rights at a Congressional budget meeting in September:
    "Ladies and gentlemen, it is time to say, once again, in legislation, weapons of war do not belong on our streets…"
    The Free Republic's Mac Slavo is calling Feinstein's latest onslaught upon our gun rights "the most significant attack on the Second Amendment in history"
    Combine Feinstein's gun ban efforts with her belief that firearms registration is the answer to preventing crimes like FAST & FURIOUS, and it's painfully obvious that the upcoming anti-gun campaign against our gun rights will be like nothing we've ever faced from Capitol Hill or the Oval Office.
    Unless we dig in our heels right now, Feinstein and her rabid gun control legislation will pass the Leftwing, Democrat majority Senate. Barack Obama is the only ally she really needs to make it happen, and he's already on board…
    No longer fearing "re-election," Barack Hussein Obama and his anti-gun lobby are moving TODAY to make disarming the American people and dismantling the Second Amendment a top priority of his second term.
    Forget Al Qaeda. Forget China. Barack Obama's biggest fear at this pivotal moment in history is an America ready and able to fight back against the systemic dismantling of our Constitutional freedoms. We do not know how radical his "fundamental transformation" of our institutions of liberty will become; we cannot yet tell how redistributive and communistic our economy, one new hand-out and tax increase after another, will be.
    But we can be certain that Obama does not want free Americans empowered against tyranny and illegal anti-Constitutionalism by virtue of their Second Amendment rights!
    So the Obama administration is already gearing up to make gun ownership more difficult, more regulated, and more expensive with the end game of making our Right to Keep and Bear Arms overly burdensome, unaffordable and eventually impossible. Obama doesn't care whether this is done through an international treaty with the U.N., ratified or not by the leftwing Senate, or by issuing illicit orders straight from the Oval Office. The maneuvering at the U.N. to bring back the international gun ban treaty is back on the fast track TODAY! And domestic legislation for gun control, weapons and ammo bans are coming fast and furious!
    Illegal, illicit, UNCONSTITUTIONAL – we know Obama will do whatever it takes to make sure that WE THE PEOPLE are disarmed.
    If Barack Obama's anti-gun agenda is not stopped, our Right to Keep and Bear Arms as AMERICANS will exist only on paper. Our Second Amendment will be obliterated because the ability to exercise our Constitutional Right will be impossible.
    To know what we're up against just look at this sampling of Barack Obama's anti-gun record, as we have reported to you previously, and is now being confirmed in The Blaze:
    In 1996, as candidate for the Illinois state Senate, Obama endorsed the state's handgun ban. He also supported legislation to "ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns," to"ban assault weapons" and to require "mandatory waiting periods and background checks."
    Then once in the state Senate, Obama sought to require the licensing and registering of gun owners.
    In 1998, as part of the "Illinois National Political Awareness Test" from Project Vote Smart, he made clear his support to "ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons."
    Two years later, Obama co-sponsored a state bill to limit handgun purchases to one per month.
    In 2005, Obama opposed a bill that would protect firearms manufacturers from lawsuits for harm resulting from unlawful misuse of their products.
    Obama opposes in concept ALL citizen concealed carry.
    While pandering to his anti-gun base at a 2008 fundraising in San Francisco, he described Americans in rural Pennsylvania and the Midwest as "bitter" people who "cling to guns."
    Regarding the D.C. handgun ban that same year, Obama publicly indicated that he believed an outright ban was Constitutional and supported it.
    Obama contends that "just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right."
    Sure, Obama was politically compelled to sign a law to allow firearms in national parks. Yes, he claims to believe in the right to bear arms, but his record speaks for itself. In fact, Obama is a committed gun-grabber carrying water for the gun control selling lies to the uninformed American people that gun control is in the best interest of public safety.
    This is such an absurd claim that even millions of dollars of federally-funded (yes, your tax dollars hard at work) junk science at the National Institutes of Health has conclusively demonstrated that gun control advocates can't back it up – in fact, years of data review and case studies have proved just the opposite: gun ownership saves lives.
    Then there is the blatantly obvious example of Obama's stomping grounds in Chicago. As of October 29, the total number of homicides reached 438, up 23 percent from last year DESPITE (because of!) some of the most stringent gun control laws in the country.
    This was two months AFTER Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel rushed a new anti-gun ordinance into place using the completely irrelevant Colorado movie theatre massacre as an excuse to permanently bar anyone convicted of any felony from legally owning a firearm, while imposing a five-year ban on gun ownership for anyone convicted of a misdemeanor violent crime
    Instead of attributing the murder of more Chicago residents than U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan to a degenerate criminal culture of gang members and drug dealers possessing ILLEGAL firearms, the problem of rampant inner-city violence is blamed by Chicago leftist pols on legal gun ownership and the Second Amendment!
    This is all part of the Obama administration's hatred and targeting of our Right to Arms! At the national level, CBS News found evidence that ATF officials involved in the "Fast and Furious" illegal gun-running scandal used the gun sales they oversaw as a pretext to call for gun control!
    Our Founding Fathers knew 250 years ago that armed citizens were free citizens, not subjects.
    George Mason warned America in 1788 that "to disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
    As a nation, we've watched from afar the very real and very deadly examples of what happens when a government disarms its people.
    Likewise, common sense and statistics have also repeatedly affirmed that gun ownership and gun rights lead to less violence while states and areas with restricted gun ownership and few carrying rights are riddled with violent crime.
    It's only a matter of time before the next tragedy – another movie theater massacre, another round of international ILLEGAL gun-running by our federal government or something terrible in the wake of a Hurricane Sandy or some similar disaster– is successfully used to justify diminishing, restricting or nullifying our Second Amendment by legislation, making it a meaningless "right" because it is impossible to exercise.
    And such events will only feed the frenzy for an "international treaty" against the evil of personal gun protection and individually owned firearms!
    Barack Obama doesn't have to be Campaigner-in-Chief anymore.
    Within hours of Obama's re-election, the United States delegation at Obama's direction AGAIN threw its weight behind the United Nation's renewed efforts to pass their binding international gun grab.
    U.S. Rep. Denny Rehberg (R-Mont.), one of our most stalwart, toughest allies when it comes to defending our Second Amendment rights, lost his bid for the U.S. Senate in the recent election.
    This was a critical seat for standing against the United Nations' relaunched efforts to crush our Second Amendment, but we aren't giving up. With more Democrats in the U.S. Senate, the U.N. gun ban treaty threat has become all the more real – but so has our resolve to defeat it!
    More than ever before, it's necessary for the future of this country that we cling to our guns and our Constitution.
    We MUST use this critical window of opportunity to gather opposition, as weaklings in Washington are talking up 'compromise' on Capitol Hill! TODAY IS THE DAY to protect our Right to Keep and Bear Arms!
    Don't let Sen. Diane Feinstein build a coalition of Leftist gun-control extremists in the Senate to erode our right to individual self-protection and ownership of personal weapons!
    Help us prevail in Congress! The Rehberg Amendment to protect our Second Amendment MUST be passed in order to protect our guns from the U.N.-Obama conspiracy to disarm us.
    We MUST act now before WE THE PEOPLE are rendered helpless, and our republic surrendered to tyranny – right along with our guns. We are fighting for YOU, for the Constitution, and our Right to Keep and Bear Arms!
    Please fight with us!
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    Any fool who is readily willing to hand over their 2nd amendmant rights (read small arms) without full confrontation or risk the consequences of breaking the law get what they fought for. Sending joe blow 50 bucks or penning letters is not the answer nor what our forefathers wrote in the Constitution. There is only ONE solution and I think most of us know what it consists of. History has rarely been kind to a mans future generation when he gave up without a true fight.
    I do hope the shit hits the fan before I'm too old and feeble.

    I think real change is not going to take place any other way.
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    "give me liberty or give me death"

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    Here's my question for law enforcement and our military personnel, and I have posed it often to law enforcement officers:
    What are you going to do when you are asked to disarm America?

    Their answer, almost universally is as follows:
    "I took an oath to uphold the constitution of the United States and it included the second amendment when I did."

    Citizens outnumber law enforcement and military combined about 1000 to 1. Those odds aren't good for a successful disarming of America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post
    Here's my question for law enforcement and our military personnel, and I have posed it often to law enforcement officers:
    What are you going to do when you are asked to disarm America?

    Their answer, almost universally is as follows:
    "I took an oath to uphold the constitution of the United States and it included the second amendment when I did."

    Citizens outnumber law enforcement and military combined about 1000 to 1. Those odds aren't good for a successful disarming of America.
    Maybe you better turn on the TV Doc. Is is starting with so called assault weapons as we speek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EVILFORCE View Post
    Maybe you better turn on the TV Doc. Is is starting with so called assault weapons as we speek.
    "assault weapons "is only a name .
    It only fires one round at a time.
    I'm gong to buy one just for the fact that the gov. and media don't like them .
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    I figure they will start with ammunition rendering firearms useless.
    "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life"

    - - Robert A. Heinlein

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post
    ....Citizens outnumber law enforcement and military combined about 1000 to 1. Those odds aren't good for a successful disarming of America.
    Net odds would be 47% less and that leaves us at 530 to 1....Still Very Good Odds for an ASS KICKING CONTEST
    I have always been of the belief and understanding our founding Fathers gave us our 2nd amendment rights for the purposes to defend our rights and freedoms, and defeat ANY government or groups that foolishly attempt to abolish or dilute those rights.....
    Gun control isn't about the guns....it is ALL about CONTROL!


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    I remember in the national and american league, the batter used multible bats instead of weights to warm up. I guess you could have call the multi bat dealio assult bats
    Need help finding this 1973 Sanger 18'6" bubble deck mahogany bottom and stringers I was living in Pomona when I sold her in 1979. Just wonder if she still exists

    Update Found my old Sanger 12/7/14 in Reno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post
    Here's my question for law enforcement and our military personnel, and I have posed it often to law enforcement officers:
    What are you going to do when you are asked to disarm America?

    Their answer, almost universally is as follows:
    "I took an oath to uphold the constitution of the United States and it included the second amendment when I did."

    Citizens outnumber law enforcement and military combined about 1000 to 1. Those odds aren't good for a successful disarming of America.

    I don't think they will do something like that. They will use the IRS like they are doing with obamacare and if you do not turn over your guns they will garnish your wages and take all your money. This is how they are going to force people to pay for obamacare by using the IRS to enforce tax liens and penalties. Same can be done when they try and strip you of your legally owned guns also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forkin' Crazy View Post
    I figure they will start with ammunition rendering firearms useless.
    You are probably right, unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post
    Here's my question for law enforcement and our military personnel, and I have posed it often to law enforcement officers:
    What are you going to do when you are asked to disarm America?

    Their answer, almost universally is as follows:
    "I took an oath to uphold the constitution of the United States and it included the second amendment when I did."

    Citizens outnumber law enforcement and military combined about 1000 to 1. Those odds aren't good for a successful disarming of America.
    I doubt this loyalty will be there when their families are at risk.

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