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    I am amazed at the Videos,and must believe anyone on the fence on Unions must have their mind made up.Hoffa,said their would be BLOOD. That scum is worried of his job and this Country is changing.I do no have a problem with Unions,I Do Have A Problem when people are required to join one.

    IMO Unions are HISTORY

    They really hurt them self with their actions of violence and Vulgar talk. Way to go!!

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    lost all respect for my union when the rep told us he didnt care if we lost our job on the hostess ordeal

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    Anyone who believes the unions are in it for the workers is simply blind. The unions are in business for the unions. Period!
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    Unions work when they come to the realization of one thing. That they NEED to supply something to the employer that he cannot get else where, and supply it. If they fail at that, they deserve to fail.

    How you do that in a job that any high schooler can be trained for in 16 hours, I have no idea. I don't think you can. If the employeer can go to any high school graduation and grab 200 kids and train them for the job, a union is screwed, and should be.
    They aren't able to supply him with something of value.

    Nobody wants to go to a doctor or fly in a plane with a pilot that hasn't been trained in his profession. I don't care to be flown to Hawaii by a pilot making 10.00 an hr straight out of high school. There are TRADES and CRAFTS that do in fact train the workers, both in how to do the job, and the mental attidude to keep it. Not something ram CVX, or Richard Till were never taught. They have displayed their attidude here over and over, and they don't get it. They simpy think the card in their wallet ENTITLES them to something special. BAD BAD BAD attitude. I have no sorrow for someone like CVX when he is layoff, with Tills shitty attitude, he should be stocking shelves at a mom and pop grcery store.

    Rule 2, never use numbers as a lever. EVER!

    I feel pretty bad for justsquirtin because his union voted to accept the offer from Hostess. His job is one that requires him to think on his feet and have the ability to keep the plant moving, or everybody goes home. Instead, the bakers are the ones that sent him home, permenately.

    18,000 workers, 5,000 were bakers. No telling how many of those 5000 voted to accept the offer, but it could have been 2000. So due to the vote of 3000, out of 18000, they all lost their jobs. Sound familiar?



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    I personally believe small unions, say 1000 or less members, can benefit employees when dealing with large corp. I also believe that at some point a unions becomes greedy and it does turn to business and no longer supports the members as it was designed. I am very fortunate to be a part of one of those small unions, mine has only 260+- members. Since I started my career they have fought tooth and nail for better pay and better benefits. It seems that others in my field have had pay freezes and mandatory furloughs for the last 3-4 yrs and we continue to receive annual pay increases. I cannot support a blanket statement that says unions are bad or only about business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubegenie View Post
    I personally believe small unions, say 1000 or less members, can benefit employees when dealing with large corp. I also believe that at some point a unions becomes greedy and it does turn to business and no longer supports the members as it was designed. I am very fortunate to be a part of one of those small unions, mine has only 260+- members. Since I started my career they have fought tooth and nail for better pay and better benefits. It seems that others in my field have had pay freezes and mandatory furloughs for the last 3-4 yrs and we continue to receive annual pay increases. I cannot support a blanket statement that says unions are bad or only about business.
    Let me give you a perfect example of what you are saying. Our International is as corrupt as any construction trade union in the country, and I believe they ALL are. Too freek'n big to keep tracn of and control and they are fucking nobody but the members. Millions vanish and seems to be untrackable for some reason. No different than the federal or state governments. Too big, too powerfull to control, and corruption sets in. Local governments can't get away with the shit that the states and fed do, and many get caught and some politicians go to jail.

    Local unions, allowed to operate at local level without interruption from the International, can and do provide a benefit to the workers, and the employers. The company I work for could NEVER provide the health insurance and pension that the union can for the same money. NEVER! Not even close. It purchasing power of a large group. So long as the local does not abuse the situation, both benefit. But if the workers get greedy, they lose.

    National strikes are nothing more than ruthless abuse of power and thug tactics. It should be illegal, and in some cases it is. Remember Reagan firing the air traffic controllers. Every last one deserved to lose their jobs. FOREVER!
    No different than when Hoffa called a national truckers strike back in the 60s. He took the wind right out of that union with that stupid ass move and they were almost instantly replaced by owner operaters. Grocery stores refusing to unload non union trucks. WTF!
    Airline pilots going on a national strike and grounding virtually everyplane in the country. Thats bullshit.

    Internationals are want needs to be halted NOW! Along with EVERY SINGLE civil service union. They are not providing the taxpayer a worth while product.



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    I can agree with that statement. Our union treasurer is very open with the books and every dollar is accounted for. The only private funds are member loans that cannot exceed 1000 dollars, but loan repayments are available to be seen. It is truly unfortunate that large unions have become so corrupt. I can tell you that our union is completely voluntary, not sure if that is the case with large unions because this is my only experience with a union.

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    cubegenie, theres no need to wrestle with a pig. you`ll only get dirty and the pig loves it.

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    And moneye laundering as Rush Limbau calls it.


    Quote Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post
    Anyone who believes the unions are in it for the workers is simply blind. The unions are in business for the unions. Period!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Till View Post
    cubegenie, theres no need to wrestle with a pig. you`ll only get dirty and the pig loves it.
    And here you show your ignorance again. Did you notice where Cubegenie is from ? He is right here in Tucson. A Right To Work state. And yes his unoin is strictly voulentary. This is how unions work in right to work states. The union has to represent the worker and not themselves. If they don't the employer replaces them. Keeps a good happy medium in business. the employer wants the best qualified workers he can get and is willing to pay alittle more. But on the other hand the union cannot extort the owner with forced shutdown strikes. This is exactly what they did in Mich. Unions as you support them is dead. Welcome to reality. You still never answered my questions in the other thread. Does a person have the right to obtaine a job without being forced into a union and forced to pay for that job in the form of union dues ? Does a person have the right to decide if he wants a union to represent him or can he choose to represent himself ? That's what Righ to Work means. We as citizens have the right to get a job without union strings if we choose so. Some of us are smart enough to not need a union to do our talking for us. I'm sure you won't answer again because you can't come up with a good enough arguement as to why people don't have the right to choose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Till View Post
    cubegenie, theres no need to wrestle with a pig. you`ll only get dirty and the pig loves it.
    Brilliant Dick! I do not see cubegenies post as wrestling. Unlike yourself he brought an excellent example of how his small union Can & Does Work in competition with the alternative Right to Work. You need to slow down and comprehend what you are reading. For a union to be successfull, it must be transparent, and management should not be compensated. It is obvious that managements compensation has lead to Union Greed. Which is why they are failing and must resort to their bullshit intimidation and extortion tactics. Wow, sounds like something familiar. Big government.

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    "You still never answered my questions in the other thread. Does a person have the right to obtaine a job without being forced into a union and forced to pay for that job in the form of union dues ? Does a person have the right to decide if he wants a union to represent him or can he choose to represent himself" ?

    AzMandella, I also work in a right to work state (Tennessee) and the answer to both questions is yes. I don`t have a problem with a right to work law. Union membership should strictly be a voluntary and personal choice. There are a few over 500 employees that work at my job location and there is 100% union participation. Does that not make a statement? I don`t approve of everything the union does but before we act, we take a vote and i`m not on the winning side every single time. Those people in Michigan have the same choice whether it be at the union hall or local and national politics. They have lost what is called a closed shop. A right to work law imposes an open shop. They should strive to conduct themselves and their business in a way that would make someone want to be a part of what they are. Maybe they need to step back and realize that they`ve lost the battle but not the war for workers rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Till View Post
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    AzMandella, I also work in a right to work state (Tennessee) and the answer to both questions is yes. I don`t have a problem with a right to work law. Union membership should strictly be a voluntary and personal choice. There are a few over 500 employees that work at my job location and there is 100% union participation. Does that not make a statement? I don`t approve of everything the union does but before we act, we take a vote and i`m not on the winning side every single time. Those people in Michigan have the same choice whether it be at the union hall or local and national politics. They have lost what is called a closed shop. A right to work law imposes an open shop. They should strive to conduct themselves and their business in a way that would make someone want to be a part of what they are. Maybe they need to step back and realize that they`ve lost the battle but not the war for workers rights.
    You people still don't get it, and its WHYyour losin gthese fights one after another. Now 24 states. Almost one half the country and gaining ground everyday. All you dumbfucks think about is what you can get from the company and could give a rats ass what YOU& provide for the company. What are you selling them. Whats your product. You have to understand you are dealing with a BUSINESS. Would YOU buy what your selling. I guess because I have been fortunaate enough to stand onn both sides I know what the companies are dealing with daily. All you dipshits think about is YOU YOU YOU. When you have no real product, you go to gang warfare and strong arm thug tatics. Most of you POS should be sent tothe unemployment lines PERMANTELY. Wake up. Your worth is much less then you think.
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    cubegenie, theres no need to wrestle with a pig. you`ll only get dirty and the pig loves it.
    As for this statement Till!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubegenie View Post
    I personally believe small unions, say 1000 or less members, can benefit employees when dealing with large corp. I also believe that at some point a unions becomes greedy and it does turn to business and no longer supports the members as it was designed. I am very fortunate to be a part of one of those small unions, mine has only 260+- members. Since I started my career they have fought tooth and nail for better pay and better benefits. It seems that others in my field have had pay freezes and mandatory furloughs for the last 3-4 yrs and we continue to receive annual pay increases. I cannot support a blanket statement that says unions are bad or only about business.
    I wonder, as I read your post, are the furloughs and pay cuts for others due in part to support your members increases?
    Honest question.
    if not, then what is your employer doing differently than other employers having to make cuts?
    if so, then is your employer actually seeing profit or heading towards an implosion due to your increases (in part)?
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