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    I'm starting to wonder if the only reason Obama hasn't pulled us out of Afghanistan (See our ROE dictated by him and then tell me why are we there, it's ROE of Failure.) is because gun control isn't in place before our large population of returning and decommissioned "terrorist risks", as determined by Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano. Now that it's the second term (not necessarily last) he can now push for gun control without the consequences of losing an election over it. From here, he will be able to follow in the historical foot-steps of the countries that instituted gun control and followed it with effective action. This includes Ottoman Turkey 1915-1917, Soviet Union 1929-1945, Nazi German 1933-1945, China basically 1927-1976. Guatemala 1960-1981, Uganda 1971-1979, Cambodia 1975-1979 and Rwanda where in total about 85 million people were executed by their government. They were all persecuting based on education, wealth, race, political beliefs or religious beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icy View Post
    I'm starting to wonder if the only reason Obama hasn't pulled us out of Afghanistan (See our ROE dictated by him and then tell me why are we there, it's ROE of Failure.) is because gun control isn't in place before our large population of returning and decommissioned "terrorist risks", as determined by Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano. Now that it's the second term (not necessarily last) he can now push for gun control without the consequences of losing an election over it. From here, he will be able to follow in the historical foot-steps of the countries that instituted gun control and followed it with effective action. This includes Ottoman Turkey 1915-1917, Soviet Union 1929-1945, Nazi German 1933-1945, China basically 1927-1976. Guatemala 1960-1981, Uganda 1971-1979, Cambodia 1975-1979 and Rwanda where in total about 85 million people were executed by their government. They were all persecuting based on education, wealth, race, political beliefs or religious beliefs.

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    We have plenty of "gun control" already in place..... The problem is the gov't is afraid to infringe on criminal rights and enforce the existing gun laws already on the books.... What IS the penalty if an ex felon is found to be in possession of a firearm?? Make that a mandatory minimum of 10 years, above and beyond what ever the "new" charge is..... AND, make them do every day of it AFTER they serve the current conviction's time..... If an ex felon is ONLY found with a firearm, and no other new crime was committed YET, yep, 10 year minimum.... If the prisons are too full, release a simple, non violent drug offender to make room..... More/new gun laws will NOT accomplish anything. Criminals don't care about gun LAWS......
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    Amen Ray!!!
    In my circle of friends not a one of them is gonna give up their 2nd Amendment LEGAL right because some bureaucrat tells them they have to....
    You can only poke the bear so long until he fights back!!!!! Personally ALOT of us feel pretty poked at by this Imperialistic President, and this may put a lot of us folks over the top if he keeps pushing....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moneypit View Post
    We have plenty of "gun control" already in place.....





    ...........More/new gun laws will NOT accomplish anything. Criminals don't care about gun LAWS......
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    While I agree with your sentiment Ray, this is the heart of the argument IMO. I don't think the government gives a rip about more gun control laws. This is all an exercise by this administration to soften peoples views on 2nd amendment rights and pressure us to give them up willingly, or give them cover when they start confiscation efforts. This is Fast and Furious on steroids!
    I believe someone once called the coincidence "compelling".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moneypit View Post
    We have plenty of "gun control" already in place..... The problem is the gov't is afraid to infringe on criminal rights and enforce the existing gun laws already on the books.... What IS the penalty if an ex felon is found to be in possession of a firearm?? Make that a mandatory minimum of 10 years, above and beyond what ever the "new" charge is..... AND, make them do every day of it AFTER they serve the current conviction's time..... If an ex felon is ONLY found with a firearm, and no other new crime was committed YET, yep, 10 year minimum.... If the prisons are too full, release a simple, non violent drug offender to make room..... More/new gun laws will NOT accomplish anything. Criminals don't care about gun LAWS......
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    Ray, there is no such thing as an ex-felon, once a felon, always a felon. And what you are saying that is if somebody got busted 30 years ago with a half oz of ti stick (the good stuff and it went felony because the po po found it in his tool box next to a box zip lock bags normally used for organizing small carb parts. And say he did 3 months on a 0-10 and got off parole 10 years later without a violation and 20 years later he buys a used car and gets pulled over on the way home and po po finds single .22 round in the bottom of the jocky box. Po po runs him and finds the 30 year old felony beef and gets your min/man 10 year ticket to prison?
    A felon in possession of a firearm...or a bullet, will get 'special' treatment if he gets caught and will do the time for it if he has another felony beef to ride with it....

    The real problem with the legal system..habitual plea bargains...Basic street thug gets busted for a felony or 3...The DA gets all lazy and cuts him a misdemeanor deal for an easy guilty plea, the guy does 180 in county and back on the street to play the same game..again and again....

    Kinda odd.....the only rights the government seems hesitant to step on happen to be the ones they should have..The last 3 crazy shooters didn't just flip on day....it was a long process and the people in their world knew they had issues but i guess even crazy people have rights too...until they kill as many people as they can....

    Nobody seems to understand the the real cause of sandy hook, it isn't guns, it isn't school security, it has nothing to do with video games or the crumbling morality of today's society Adam Lanza's mom knew the kid had issues....that she knew were beyond her ability to keep a lid on, why in the hell did she even have weapons in the house....that weren't under lock and key and amo stored in a separate place....I can see a handgun stashed someplace handy with a couple 4 rounds in it for home protection...even a short shotgun with a couple rounds. She paid the price of that mistake with her life RIP but the cause and it's lesson seems to be the last thing on anybody's agenda..

    Maybe the day will come when people will see someone like adam lanza and say hey...lets all keep an eye on him...make sure he doesn't have access to ways infringe upon the rights of people to live a long and fruitful life.

    Prayers to all whose lives have been affected by the tragedy of crazy people and dam the government to it's inability to ever actually solve a problem without creating one.
    That said.....if a sane person is hell bent on killing there is no way to stop them...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICECREAMAN View Post
    While I agree with your sentiment Ray, this is the heart of the argument IMO. I don't think the government gives a rip about more gun control laws. This is all an exercise by this administration to soften peoples views on 2nd amendment rights and pressure us to give them up willingly, or give them cover when they start confiscation efforts. This is Fast and Furious on steroids!
    I believe someone once called the coincidence "compelling".
    It's gonna be interesting to see how many people are willing to die to get our guns. I'm willing to die to keep them, are you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Hair View Post
    It's gonna be interesting to see how many people are willing to die to get our guns. I'm willing to die to keep them, are you.
    I may have found a new "Mentor", he's an eloquent bastard,



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    Check out this Marine, Oath Keeper, and Patriot. He's got some good videos, and speaks very close to my feelings.

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    Our government seems fixated on the ideal that they can legislate around ignorance and stupidity, continually creating laws which affect everyone, except those that ignore or break them. A societies success is based on the agreed moral's of that society and laws are created to enforce those moral's. Consistent lack of enforcement, of created law, leads to moral decay and society collapses. What caused the Roman empire to collapse? Where is Americas Moral compass today? When the leaders of society are allowed to ignore and break the very laws they create, society will collapse, anarchy will follow.
    I fear we are obviously close to the latter.

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    Luckily we have a few states like this one! Wyoming who says that if federal official try to prosecute any Wyoming citizen for any 2nd amendment violation will be arrested!

    Utah is drafting a proposal as well. Look for Arizona, Texas, and maybe even democratic Montana to follow. Montana already has challenged the Obama administration with their own legislation.

    Wyoming lawmakers propose bill to nullify new federal gun laws | WashingtonExaminer.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICECREAMAN View Post
    I may have found a new "Mentor", he's an eloquent bastard,


    That first video, now edited, got his concealed license taken away. He IS NOT HELPING! Fucking idiot!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forkin' Crazy View Post
    That first video, now edited, got his concealed license taken away. He IS NOT HELPING! Fucking idiot!!!
    While I think he's a little abrasive, I wouldn't agree that he's an idiot or that he's not helping. How many of us are thinking what he just said? I for one am ready to tell Boehner and the republican party to take a hike! I'm so tired of getting rolled by the Obama machine and watching our reps grab their collective ankles and take this ASS KICKING! If they can't grow a pair and start fighting back like our lives depend on them, then it may take a public uprising to stop this transformation of OUR country. F*uck being P.C! That has ruined to many countries. The moderate squishes that want everyone to just "get along" need to pick a side. If we keep worrying about offending people while we allow the libs to assault all our values and ignore our rights, then it's over. I for one am not giving up with out a fight. Passing information like we do here is one way of fighting back with out violence. I talk to people everyday, sometimes I'm giving information and trying to help others get up to speed, and sometimes I'm learning from those who are much farther ahead on the issues. Right now, "sharing is caring!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoldHondaBoughtHondo View Post
    Ray, there is no such thing as an ex-felon, once a felon, always a felon.
    Not always true Mike....Most, not all, and never violent felony convictions, CAN be reduced to misdemeanors after a period of time... Some felonies are not "reducible", like drug sales, but even those cases can be "set aside" IF the person has, as you've mentioned, straightened out their life and not re offended for that 10 years of clean, legal living.... Then there is also the option of having one's "civil rights" reinstated, which covers being able to vote, as well as own firearms.... So, the ex felon I mentioned should have been "ex con" with multiple convictions, on active parole, and still carrying a gun on our streets and in our neighborhoods.... THAT should be 10 years minimum......
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICECREAMAN View Post
    While I think he's a little abrasive, I wouldn't agree that he's an idiot or that he's not helping. How many of us are thinking what he just said? I for one am ready to tell Boehner and the republican party to take a hike! I'm so tired of getting rolled by the Obama machine and watching our reps grab their collective ankles and take this ASS KICKING! If they can't grow a pair and start fighting back like our lives depend on them, then it may take a public uprising to stop this transformation of OUR country. F*uck being P.C! That has ruined to many countries. The moderate squishes that want everyone to just "get along" need to pick a side. If we keep worrying about offending people while we allow the libs to assault all our values and ignore our rights, then it's over. I for one am not giving up with out a fight. Passing information like we do here is one way of fighting back with out violence. I talk to people everyday, sometimes I'm giving information and trying to help others get up to speed, and sometimes I'm learning from those who are much farther ahead on the issues. Right now, "sharing is caring!"
    I agree with a lot of what you say, but did you see the first video before it was edited? Where he was talking about "start killing people"? That isn't helping. The media and other anti-gun proponents will use this against us! Just my opinion!
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