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    Ruby Ridge, Waco, Fast & Furious, and now Milwaukee. Ever wonder why people want to hang onto their guns?

    While Koresh was definitely a whack job, the ATF definitely fucked that up. (Clinton Administration)

    If you really look into the clusterfuck at Ruby Ridge you'll find that what happened was a huge overstepping of the government to try to get Weaver to rat out people within the Aryan Nation . While I wouldn't hang out with Weaver or any other w/s group, the government definitely overstepped and over reacted and young innocent people were hurt and kills. (Clinton Administration)

    Of course we all know about F&F, something that this administration is doing it's best to cover up. (Obama administration)

    Now we have another fantastic fuck up by this administration in Milwaukee. Lost automatic weapons, intimidation of innocent citizens, and wasted money.

    Any wonder why people mistrust this administration when it comes to disarming the populous???


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    The feds wrote up "rules of ingagement" after both Ruby Ridge and Waco. If you are stupid enough to believe that applies today, and that the same EXACTE thing can't happen tomorrow, you don't know this adminstration or the blind ass sheep that follow him. That includes you neighbors, or ANYBODY ON THIS SITE that should decide to "notify the authorities" Right CVX-R&J?

    Some of the morons out there posting shit on Facebook and You Tube could have the "authorities" coming thru their door in the middle of the fucking night, no questions asked, shoot first, talk later.

    Guaranteed before this adminstration is through, you will be reading about it happening somewhere. Just as a lesson not to fuck with them.



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    We talk about cutting federal agencies as a way of cutting $. How about deleting the ATF? We have DHS, FBI, DEA. Why do we need a separate ATF. We could assign the Alcohol and Tobacco job to the DEA, and the Firearms to the FBI, if you wanted to sustain their mission.
    I'm sure the libs would scream this was done by the NRA.
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    The vid is just down from the top it is the first one you see. This was in Arkasas. [video]

    It is 20 min but a must see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EVILFORCE View Post
    The vid is just down from the top it is the first one you see. This was in Arkasas. [video]

    It is 20 min but a must see.

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    I'm glad you reposted that. I was trying to remember what thread it was in while I was reading this one, I was going to repost it. Like Tommy said said in another thread, It ain't coming people, "It's Here!"
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    Anyone who honestly believes this is not a huge problem is simply blind! Here we have a man at the helm with questionable motives and agendas who openly speaks to others about "more flexibility after the election." His proof is that in less than a week following his second inauguration, he's subverting the constitution with executive orders - a plenty regarding our second amendment rights then following up with the proposal of the most sweeping amnesty legislation our nation has ever had where illegals actually have rights and privileges the citizens do not share.

    I feel really sorry for the limp-wristed liberals who put this clown in office because he's not taking care of them either. He used their weak minds to execute an agenda that will permanently damage the entire nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBjet View Post
    We talk about cutting federal agencies as a way of cutting $. How about deleting the ATF? We have DHS, FBI, DEA. Why do we need a separate ATF. We could assign the Alcohol and Tobacco job to the DEA, and the Firearms to the FBI, if you wanted to sustain their mission.
    I'm sure the libs would scream this was done by the NRA.
    Oh geez, that would be shaking the government all up. It WAS originally part of the IRS and the treasury dept. In very short order the government pushed it into the justice dept and just as quickly into the FBI. When they needed a ARMED TAX ENFORCEMENT during prohibition, they pushed it back into the treasury dept, because the treasury dept really never has paid much attention to your constitutional rights from day one, and even less after the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. If they even REMOTELY believe you are violating tax laws, your rights fly out the window. You can screw a business, your friends and family, rob, steal, and kill, and have more rights than being ACCUSED of screwing the government.

    It remained with the treasury dept until 2003 when it was pushed back into the justice department as part of Department of Homeland Security.
    They are no longer a TAX agency. That part was cut away and a NEW(imagine that) agency was formed Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau.

    You will never ever get rid of the ATF. Its is the underground dirty end of government "justice".
    It entire reason for existing has been handed back to the treasury dept and the IRS, and yet they still keep it around. Because it hasn't worked in the capacity of TAXES since the Gun Control Act of 1968, and I doubt anybody working in the ATF can even spell tobacco. Its NOT why they exist.

    If not for the ATF, how the hell would Holder have ever carried out Fast and Furious?
    Dimbulb POTUSs have used the ATF like Hitle used the SS. They couldn't give a spit about you constitutional rights, and never have. They are the "domestic" version of the CIA.
    Waco and Ruby Ridge were more the ATFs doing than it ever was the FBI.



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    i cant appreciate your stance on randy weaver , but who really knows his beliefs when it comes to the A B , i have seen several documentries involving weaver and ol'randy doesnt seen like THAT bad of a guy , ! just ran his mouth to the wrong POS ! as far as DAVID k , didnt he outgun the ATF at first , and not shoot when shot at, when ATF ran out of ammo ? that says something for his intentions from moment one ! i may be a little rusty here , but wasnt the same asshole with ATF responsible for ruby ridge as waco ? all in a matter of months /weeks ? talk about a fearfull government !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pm/pe122 View Post
    i cant appreciate your stance on randy weaver , but who really knows his beliefs when it comes to the A B , i have seen several documentries involving weaver and ol'randy doesnt seen like THAT bad of a guy , ! just ran his mouth to the wrong POS ! as far as DAVID k , didnt he outgun the ATF at first , and not shoot when shot at, when ATF ran out of ammo ? that says something for his intentions from moment one ! i may be a little rusty here , but wasnt the same asshole with ATF responsible for ruby ridge as waco ? all in a matter of months /weeks ? talk about a fearfull government !
    Regardless if you agree with Weaver or KorEsh, the action by the government are noT all that different than taking out an American citizen with a drone because he is in a foreign country that we disapprove of.
    Today, how many like CVX, shue, 1986 and R&Js would voice a disapproval if the government just flew a drone over Weaver's or Koresh's and dropped a couple bombs? I bet TODAY, not many!

    You can slice it any way you like. Its still a death sentence carried out by the federal government, that has NO DEATH PENALTY. So, if they want you dead, they really have very little choice. Giving you a fair trial and your RIGHT to due process would mean they would have to have you eliminated in prison while in THEIR custody. Geez, now that might start a ruckus. But snuffing your ass out while evading or resisting THE ALL POWERFULL US GOVERNMENT, that has the full backing of of the sheep. If it didn;t, the the agenda could never be caried out. The government needs and depends on its usefull idiots. FOR NOW!



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    Quote Originally Posted by gn7 View Post
    Regardless if you agree with Weaver or Korsh, the action by the government are no all that different than taking out an American citizen with a drone because he is in a foreign country that we disapprove of.
    Today, hown many like CVX, shue, 1986 and R&J would voice a disapproval if the governemt just flew a drone over Weaver's or Koresh's and dropped a couple bombs? I bet TODAY, not many!
    thats the problem in this world today , being called a "good ol ' boy" is a bad thing ! its ran by smoke and mirrors ! lies and disceet ! ... i love my son , but im worried for him ! i dont listen to father very often , not as much as i probably should ! but he has a way of saying the words " uuuhh boy " after 39 years of age , i think i know what he means !
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