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    I'm a bit confused about obamacare... I know the libtard controlled House and Senate lied, bribed, swindled, lied some more, and finally passed the milestone of the Affordable Care Act.... The "act" was then signed into law by the idiot in chief.... BUT, as things progressed, obama has changed some of the law, by himself.... He has granted waivers, granted delays, changed who is covered, changed who MUST be a part of the "act"... The way I understand gov't, he can't do that. He can't omit, add to, or modify the "law" passed by the Congress, and signed into law by him, without going back through the process all over again, can he??? It sure seems to me the "act" is either "as originally written", or void... What am I missing besides obama feels he is not limited by the Constitution??? Why haven't the Republicans demanded the "act" be initiated as written???.. It sure seems like Senator Cruz is trying for a Texas league Single, when he could hit one out of the park by pointing this out to the Senate and demanding a vote for "all or nothing".....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moneypit View Post
    I'm a bit confused about obamacare... I know the libtard controlled House and Senate lied, bribed, swindled, lied some more, and finally passed the milestone of the Affordable Care Act.... The "act" was then signed into law by the idiot in chief.... BUT, as things progressed, obama has changed some of the law, by himself.... He has granted waivers, granted delays, changed who is covered, changed who MUST be a part of the "act"... The way I understand gov't, he can't do that. He can't omit, add to, or modify the "law" passed by the Congress, and signed into law by him, without going back through the process all over again, can he??? It sure seems to me the "act" is either "as originally written", or void... What am I missing besides obama feels he is not limited by the Constitution??? Why haven't the Republicans demanded the "act" be initiated as written???.. It sure seems like Senator Cruz is trying for a Texas league Single, when he could hit one out of the park by pointing this out to the Senate and demanding a vote for "all or nothing".....
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    He has a Harvard Law degree, just ask him.

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    And another home run from tommy..even covered all the bases

    As for Ray...haven't you figured out the the reps have no leadership? boehner runs his mouth a little but he is all talk.
    I bet a lot of people avoid getting sideways with obumer for fear
    of freek accidents...Better to take the heat for him stepping over the legal line and getting a promotion.
    Hoping Issa isn't all talk. They start bck in the IRS pretty soon and the contempt for congress deal withholder goes before a judge in a week or two.
    If Boehner folds on de-funding zerocare things might get worse in a hurry. I was thinking today..something as simple as welfare and SS being 5 days late and LA will look like the Watts riots....
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    Default SS and welfare....???

    Hey, SS has nothing, repeat nothing to do with welfare. My SS check is nothing more than them giving MY money back to me in small, unlivable, monthly installments.... Kinda like a reverse mortgage, somewhere in the vast vacuum of the federal gov't is an account with my SS number on it. Sure, the account is empty, they already STOLE my money, but they know better than to try to stiff us SS recipients on the debt they owe us...
    Now welfare is a whole different system altogether... Welfare takes the taxpayer's money and distributes it, but not to those that paid into the gov't, but rather to those that haven't paid a dime other than voting for obama if that is worth anything??
    Whether he knows it or not, the messiah of the sheeple isn't king, (yet), and therefore doesn't have absolute power... It would be so simple for the GOP to say in-act the ACA "as written", or we go back to the drawing board, period....
    By LAW, the ACA died the minute obama made ANY changes......
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    Interesting assessment, so you are saying that ACA is no longer the law the libby congress and SCOTUS passed due to the fact there have been modifications made to it since then? I like that analogy but lots of laws have been ammended, altered, updated over the years and they are still laws on the books. I wish it were as easy as you desribe and a whole new review would start again. it is quite obvious that a lot of false and misleading info was put forth to sell the ACA (and still s being done). The costs have sky rocketed over what was estimated. Obviously the promises of being able to keep you health plan and doctors were lies as well due to the premium increases. O never mentioned that lots of people would lose their employer coverages and be cut down to part time employees. I wish there was another way back into SCOTUS and perhaps a different result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavey29 View Post
    Interesting assessment, so you are saying that ACA is no longer the law the libby congress and SCOTUS passed due to the fact there have been modifications made to it since then? I like that analogy but lots of laws have been ammended, altered, updated over the years and they are still laws on the books. I wish it were as easy as you desribe and a whole new review would start again. it is quite obvious that a lot of false and misleading info was put forth to sell the ACA (and still s being done). The costs have sky rocketed over what was estimated. Obviously the promises of being able to keep you health plan and doctors were lies as well due to the premium increases. O never mentioned that lots of people would lose their employer coverages and be cut down to part time employees. I wish there was another way back into SCOTUS and perhaps a different result.
    Yes, absolutely. CONGRESS can amend, alter, modify laws previously passed by Congress... The President, by law, doesn't make the laws, Congress does, and only Congress has the Constitutional power to change them....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavey29 View Post
    ....O never mentioned that lots of people would lose their employer coverages and be cut down to part time employees...
    Those being cut down to part-time is the on the DEAD BEAT EMPLOYER, who never gave them HC before, trying to avoid providing HC under ACA...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shueman View Post
    Those being cut down to part-time is the on the DEAD BEAT EMPLOYER, who never gave them HC before, trying to avoid providing HC under ACA...
    The shining example if intellect has spoken again. Care to identify all these corporations that never gave HC who have cut their employees back to part time? Also, your sentence structure could use some work. Don't you have a granddaughter who could proof read your posts to make you look like you passed elementary school?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shueman View Post
    Those being cut down to part-time is the on the DEAD BEAT EMPLOYER, who never gave them HC before, trying to avoid providing HC under ACA...
    With HC premiums SKYROCKETING donít you see some of ^^^ as a means for a business trying to survive in lieu of the ACA mandates???

    Donít you understand that there is a BREAKING POINT with regard to running a profitable business??? Do you have ANY concept of the costs associated with employee benefits???
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2manymustangs View Post
    With HC premiums SKYROCKETING donít you see some of ^^^ as a means for a business trying to survive in lieu of the ACA mandates???

    Donít you understand that there is a BREAKING POINT with regard to running a profitable business??? Do you have ANY concept of the costs associated with employee benefits???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moneypit View Post
    Yes, absolutely. CONGRESS can amend, alter, modify laws previously passed by Congress... The President, by law, doesn't make the laws, Congress does, and only Congress has the Constitutional power to change them....
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    Ray, I'm with you... It would seem that there is DUE PROCESS to amend the originally crafted (cooked up) ACA that requires the House and SENATE to vote... NOT just some "executive action / siggy"...
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    Since when has this fraud bothered with protocol? He sent our troops into Africa and Lybia without any congressional approval and is now supplying weapons to the very group that perpetrated 9/11. At what point will his own supporters either admit they hate America and want a third-world crap hole or finally admit this guy is the enemy to our founding father's principals and constitution?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shueman View Post
    Those being cut down to part-time is the on the DEAD BEAT EMPLOYER, who never gave them HC before, trying to avoid providing HC under ACA...
    Let's see about those dead beat employers. Either give employees healthcare as required by the government (increased coverages) and reduce income and/or go out of business, or cut hours and stay profitable. You do realize that companies are in business to make money. I'm sure that you would want to work long hours, have high stress, have everything you own on the line, and make little to nothing.

    Typical statement from someone that has never had to make payroll, go through profit and loss statements, or make sure that the company is profitable so that you can continue to pay your people. You have no idea how companies work, just a socialist view of how everyone should make the same for doing nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post
    Since when has this fraud bothered with protocol? He sent out troops into Africa and Lybia without any congressional approval ad is now supplying weapons to the very group that perpetrated 9/11. At what point will his own supporters either admit they hate America and want a third-world crap hole or finally admit this guy is the enemy to our founding father's principals and constitution?
    The real question is; when will somebody hold him accountable? He's like a spoiled child. If nobody ever says no you can't or no you shouldn't have, how can they ever learn to follow the rules. He is a product of the blameless society. Its never been hire fault it is always someone else who caused it to be wrong.

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