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    Default The Deficit is actually DECREASING during shutdown!

    This link is to the: US Debt Clock It's a real time representation of, among other things, federal spending. What's cool is that during the shutdown federal spending is actually LESS then revenue...so the DEFICIT is decreasing by about $170,000,000 a day. Why this is deadly to the libs is that the longer the shutdown goes, the more people will see how bloated the government is. The slimdown is just cutting the fat and it's already making a huge difference....


    The republicans are being blamed for the shut down.
    Bet the dems. Take credit for lowering the debt.


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    I figured that during the weekend, it would be going up since Moochell would be eating more!!!

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    On the news they keep using the number 41,000 federal (dont know how many are furloughed) workers in the St Louis Metro area... That includes the big mapping center here, national guard area, we have a few major Boeing facilities, Scott AFB (command and control NOC), and so on and so on...

    I keep thinking to my self 41,000???????????????????????????????????????????? ??????

    5k would seem a little on the light side, so bump it up to 10k... or DOUBLE that to 20k... BUT 41K???

    Just in the St Louis Metro??? Add in KC Metro, Jeff City, Springfield, Ft Leonardwood... COuld there be 100,000 Just in Missouri??? Where does that put Colorado, Texas, Virgina, Mariland, Florida, CALIFORNIA??????????????

    How many federal employees are there in the U.S.???
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2manymustangs View Post
    On the news they keep using the number 41,000 federal (dont know how many are furloughed) workers in the St Louis Metro area... That includes the big mapping center here, national guard area, we have a few major Boeing facilities, Scott AFB (command and control NOC), and so on and so on...

    I keep thinking to my self 41,000???????????????????????????????????????????? ??????

    5k would seem a little on the light side, so bump it up to 10k... or DOUBLE that to 20k... BUT 41K???

    Just in the St Louis Metro??? Add in KC Metro, Jeff City, Springfield, Ft Leonardwood... COuld there be 100,000 Just in Missouri??? Where does that put Colorado, Texas, Virgina, Mariland, Florida, CALIFORNIA??????????????

    How many federal employees are there in the U.S.???
    For a close estimate, count the number of locust in this picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2manymustangs View Post

    How many federal employees are there in the U.S.???
    BRUCE!!!! I figured you were all over this number. There are 3,374,000 PLUS federal employees not counting military. Of those, approx. 800,000 are furloughed, and the house just voted to pay all furloughed federal employees retro actively after this is resolved. Like I said, they are ALL on PAID vacations, out fishing, boating, ski diving, quick trip Hawaii, all on OUR dime. Employees that aren't furloughed are envious. Its typical. The useless POS in the government are no different that the useless POS in the private sector. They get the free lunches, while others work.
    Bet your ass CVX and R&J are in that group.

    As for the dropping deficit, keep in mind there is a VERY district difference between deficit and debt. Deficit is momentary real time or fiscal amount during a time period. Think you monthly income and bills. The deficit is dropping for 3 reasons. Highest tax revenue in the history of the country. The sequester sequestration is still in effect, along with the "shut down" But ALL back pay will be paid out, it ALWAYS is. NO federal employee ever lost a dime due to a shut down. EVER! So it will actually a gross loss when this is over because the government lost park and other fees that it did collect during the shutdown, yet ALL the federal employees will still get paid. Now you know why companies like GM go broke. Paying FORMER employees to do NOTHING!

    BUT!!!! Even with the deficit going down, the DEBT is still climbing faster than the deficit is falling. The debt is climbing in the excess of 500,000 per minute. And nobody is trying reverse it. Not even stop it. Hell, nobody is even trying to slow it down. Least of all shue, CVX, R&J, and 1986 and the people they help elect so they could have their tax paid entitled jobs. The way they see it, its nothing you can't fix by taxing more, and hiring more federal employees. R&J the resident financial genius will even claim you can spend your way



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    Quote Originally Posted by thatguy View Post
    For a close estimate, count the number of locust in this picture.

    Dude, you should hear Claire McCaskil on the local news about the furloughs... Makes me wanna get up and drink some PeptoBismo...


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    According to the Office of Personnel Management (OPM), as of December 2011, there were approximately 2.79 million civil servants (civilian, i.e. non-uniformed) employed by the US Government.[3][4][5] (This includes executive, legislative and judicial branches of government. This also includes more than 600,000 United States Postal workers.)

    The U.S. civil service includes the Competitive service and the Excepted service. The majority of civil service appointments in the U.S. are made under the Competitive Service, but certain categories in the Diplomatic Service, the FBI, and other National Security positions are made under the Excepted Service. (U.S. Code Title V)

    U.S. state and local government entities often have competitive civil service systems that are modeled on the national system, in varying degrees
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    Quote Originally Posted by gn7 View Post
    BRUCE!!!! I figured you were all over this number. There are 3,374,000 PLUS federal employees not counting military. Of those, approx. 800,000 are furloughed, and the house just voted to pay all furloughed federal employees retro actively after this is resolved. Like I said, they are ALL on PAID vacations, out fishing, boating, ski diving, quick trip Hawaii, all on OUR dime. Employees that aren't furloughed are envious. Its typical. The useless POS in the government are no different that the useless POS in the private sector. They get the free lunches, while others work.
    Bet your ass CVX and R&J are in that group.

    As for the dropping deficit, keep in mind there is a VERY district difference between deficit and debt. Deficit is momentary real time or fiscal amount during a time period. Think you monthly income and bills. The deficit is dropping for 3 reasons. Highest tax revenue in the history of the country. The sequester sequestration is still in effect, along with the "shut down" But ALL back pay will be paid out, it ALWAYS is. NO federal employee ever lost a dime due to a shut down. EVER! So it will actually a gross loss when this is over because the government lost park and other fees that it did collect during the shutdown, yet ALL the federal employees will still get paid. Now you know why companies like GM go broke. Paying FORMER employees to do NOTHING!

    BUT!!!! Even with the deficit going down, the DEBT is still climbing faster than the deficit is falling. The debt is climbing in the excess of 500,000 per minute. And nobody is trying reverse it. Not even stop it. Hell, nobody is even trying to slow it down. Least of all shue, CVX, R&J, and 1986 and the people they help elect so they could have their tax paid entitled jobs. The way they see it, its nothing you can't fix by taxing more, and hiring more federal employees. R&J the resident financial genius will even claim you can spend your way

    This realllllly blows my mind... It's like 100k federal workers in every state in the union M/L...

    Thats like 1/4 TRILLION just in payroll not counting pensions/health care/

    Did all of this fly out the window?

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    Debt ceiling:

    The debt ceiling was increased by $400 billion immediately.[2]
    The President could request a further increase of $500 billion, which is subject to a congressional motion of disapproval which the President may veto, in which case a two-thirds majority in Congress would be needed to override the veto.[3] This has been called the 'McConnell mechanism' after the Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, who first suggested it as part of another scheme.[4]
    The President could request a final increase of $1.2–1.5 trillion, subject to the same disapproval procedure. The exact amount depends on the amount of cuts in the "super committee" plan if it passes Congress, and whether a Balanced budget amendment has been sent to the states.[3]
    Deficit reduction:

    Spending was reduced more than the increase in the debt limit. No tax increases or other forms of increases in revenue above current law were included in the bill.[5]
    The bill directly specified $917 billion of cuts over 10 years in exchange for the initial debt limit increase of $900 billion.[5] This is the first installment ("tranche") of cuts. $21 billion of this will be applied in the FY2012 budget.[4]
    Additionally, the agreement established the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction, sometimes called the "super committee",[1] to produce deficit reduction legislation by November 23, 2011, that would be immune from amendments or filibuster (similar to the Base Realignment and Closure).[4][6] The goal of the legislation was to cut at least $1.5 trillion over the coming 10 years and be passed by December 23, 2011.[6] Projected revenue from the committee's legislation could not exceed the revenue budgeting baseline produced by current law. (Current law has the Bush tax cuts expiring at the end of 2012.) The committee would have 12 members, 6 from each party.[5]
    The agreement also specified an incentive for Congress to act. If Congress failed to produce a deficit reduction bill with at least $1.2 trillion in cuts, then Congress could grant a $1.2 trillion increase in the debt ceiling but this would trigger across-the-board cuts ("sequestrations"[note 1]), as of January 2, 2013.[3] These cuts would apply to mandatory and discretionary spending in the years 2013 to 2021 and be in an amount equal to the difference between $1.2 trillion and the amount of deficit reduction enacted from the joint committee. There would be some exemptions: reductions would apply to Medicare providers, but not to Social Security, Medicaid, civil and military employee pay, or veterans.[4][5] Medicare benefits would be limited to a 2% reduction.[7]
    As originally envisioned, these caps would equally affect security and non-security programs. Security programs would include the U.S. Department of Defense, U.S. Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs, the National Nuclear Security Administration, some management functions of the intelligence community and international affairs from the U.S. State Department.[8] However, because the Joint Select Committee did not report any legislation to Congress, the act reset these caps to defense (essentially the DOD) and non-defense categories.[9] This became one of the important elements of the fiscal cliff
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    The U.S. government if the largest employer in the free world, and the worst run corporation on earth. No other corporation in the world loses as much money per minute as the U.S. government.
    That makes the U.S. government the largest welfare case on the planet. But then, its elected officials are elected by the largest number of free loading welfare cases in the free world.



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    Quote Originally Posted by gn7 View Post
    The U.S. government if the largest employer in the free world, and the worst run corporation on earth. No other corporation in the world loses as much money per minute as the U.S. government.
    That makes the U.S. government the largest welfare case on the planet. But then, its elected officials are elected by the largest number of free loading welfare cases in the free world.
    Brown says the corruption is the same as the Private sector, and basically that earnings can be measured in services the same as a profit margin....as near as I can decipher his babbling anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gn7 View Post
    The U.S. government if the largest employer in the free world, and the worst run corporation on earth. No other corporation in the world loses as much money per minute as the U.S. government.
    That makes the U.S. government the largest welfare case on the planet. But then, its elected officials are elected by the largest number of free loading welfare cases in the free world.
    thank you ! couldnt have said it any better ! we are laughing stock !

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    The USA Corporation.....to big to fail.....now get back to work and pay your taxs asshats....lol
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