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    46-456. Duty to a vulnerable adult; financial exploitation; civil penalties; exceptions; definitions
    A. A person who is in a position of trust and confidence to a vulnerable adult shall use the vulnerable adult's assets solely for the benefit of the vulnerable adult and not for the benefit of the person who is in the position of trust and confidence to the vulnerable adult or the person's relatives.

    Basic Az legal statute..shared by many states
    5 1/2 years ago my dad dies, i walk away from my life in Ut. and move in with her to take care of her..She refused to move to Ut. she only wanted to spend the rest of her life in her own home surrounded by things that have been her life.
    Month later we go see an attorney, she does a will, medical/legal POA and a DNR. My name is on everything. While we were sitting there she writes ma a note " I will pay you $1hr to stay and take care of me, i don not want to end up in a rest home" (24/7..about 750 a month)

    That's a no brainer, nobody on either side of the family has been sent to a rest home...I told her i would do everything i physically can to make that happen. We go to the bank and she adds my name to savings and checking account. I never did actually co0llect "wages" Yep i spent some of her money..only after all her wants and needs had been taken care of and never more than
    750 in a month..She gave me money for my b-day to buy a broken suburban that i fixed....I built the hydro from money i got from the sale of honda blackbird, some money from unemployment and from payments from the lathe/mill/tig that i left in Ut.

    Had issues with APS....complaints..they are as simple as the nosy ass teller at well fargo thinking mom didn't look just right, she calls aps and within 48 hrs they come knocking at the door..it's an evil deal. guilty until proven otherwise, the grill mom with questions, they take a lap through bank records and talk to neighbors....what i say don't matter, i got a little sideways with the first investigator and he unsnapped the strap on his weapon...
    Mom told me...i don't like those people, i don't want them in the house again..they tried, i shut them down, they came back..wanted to hear it from mom..they did,,3rd time they waited for me to leave..quick trip to store, mom sitting at the table, they knock on the door, the dob barks, mom says come in,,,dude gets one foot inside the door, second foot had what was a just a happy puppy turning into the rottweiler from hell. I get home to catch the end of it. Jak has turned back into happy puppy..i tell dude to GTFO and it's been more than 90 days, close the case..Went to the office next day, complained to upper management, a few days later i get a 'allegations unfounded" letter.....3 cases...3 letters.
    They sent a different investigator after the first problem...erica c.
    didn't much like her but put up with her as little as necessary...
    No problems for over a year..Here she comes again..has another complaint..i call bullshit, mom hasn't been out of the house in 6 weeks.....she stumbles and says it was longer than that..I call bullshit again..it's policy..48 hours..are you telling me you have been sitting on a complaint for 2 months? I say show me..she says she can't...i say redact the name of who complained..she backs down..comes back 2 weeks later... i don't answer the door, both cars are here, she thinks she knows i'm here..half hour later she shows up with a uniform..he knocks, i answer, i explain the situation and call harassment....Told him you look and see if she has a complaint..erica gets pissed...i fold a little, let him stick his head in the door, mom is sitting at the table, waves and smiles...done deal.....told erica...come back bring a uniform and an order from a judge...simple deal...it's just an order for visitation...she leaves....2 weeks later here comes another one...told he im busy..make an appointment..OK noon tomarrow..i take off work, get mom out of bed and ready by 11:45...by 12:15 we were done..i take off back to work, erica calls me and i'm in the bilge of a 38 fountain and i ain't crawling out because you can be on time...think she knew i was only 5 min away...don't here nothing for weeks....last wedensday i have appointment for surgery on hernia...hurt bad enough to make me go to the ER...Do the surgery....they must have known where i was, i get my pants back on and on the way out someone calls and says they have taken custody of my mother....They came to the house right after i left, picked the lock on the front door, brought a package of raw hamburger to get past the dogs, they started arguing and they threw got them to go outside...they swooped mom out of bed into her wheel chair, rolled her out side, paramedics loaded her on a gurney and took her to old folks home in kingman....clothes on her back and her glasses..refused to tell her where she was going and why....I get home, they pretty much ransacked the house, found where i stash all my legal documents and took it all..will.deeds/titles/poa the letters from aps and the note from mom about the dollar an hour deal.....next day i call the number that called me..Is mom ok? were is she..she said she was ok but ain't telling me where she was..next day i call again..same story...i kick it up a notch and ask where she is, i want to see her, She tells me to call back monday after she talks to the lawyer..told her...i will call at 3:00pm..she calls at 2..tells me she is in kingman, gives me address and i drive...
    They have mom in a 2 bed "cell' other bed empty...she looks like hell..i wake her up...she isn't making much sense.....i hang for a while, run to in/out and get her a milk shake and take it back to her...she says the food sucks, she won't eat it...slams the shake like nothing, i dave to go, i be back tomarrow..i get home to a pile of mail...all legal...fiduciary, legal request for custody, financial
    on the house....I call them with a major WTF......they say if i cooperate and make their job easy this will all be over at a hearing in 30 days. They intend on taking the house to cover the bill for the rest home..they plan on keeping her, they told me they
    closed the bank accounts (i had just deposited about 800 of my own money from a little wheeling and dealing) don't remove anything from the property, it now belongs to the fiduciary.
    If i make things difficult they will charge me with "exploitation of a vulnerable adult"
    As i read the statute i never had a chance. I move in to care for my mother, i buy toilet paper and use it to wipe my ass i have broken the law, they have the right to put my mother in rest home and take everything...

    The only way a family member could take care of a parent/grandparent would be if the moved in and had enough bank to support themselves.....spend a dollar on a candy bar and eat it and they take grandpa away to die in what is almost a dump and take their home to pay the bills...

    As it is mom has enough income that another 800 covers the rest home....They value the house at the tax rate..maybe 20k shy of market value...another 5k selling off everything she owns...maybe 130k mom is 95 how much longer could she live? All the leftover money...they keep..

    What a fuken racket!
    And it gets worse...the place is a dump...they make mom wear a diaper....3 corners and stick tape instead of a safety pin, mom says that a man changes and showers her, She is stuck in s room with a tv she can't hear..she is about 90% deaf...for the tv at home i took apart a rather expensive set of head phones, use one side and an adapter that fits the tv..she puts it directly over her ear and the tv sound is wot......
    They keep trying to tell me she has advanced dementia and she can hear ok...what she is, is a lip reader...if i talk slow and she wants to know what i am saying she understands fine....other people, not so good...no way if someone has an accent...i can clap my hands right behind her head and she won't flinch...home stereo..500 watts//bose technics and 90% and she will notice zz top pearl necklace..
    I asked if she was eating, knowing she wasn't...nurse left and came back..she ate 100% of breakfast and 100% of lunch.."what was breakfast? Cold cereal and artifical sugar and grapefriut juice? like hell she wouln't eat that if she was starving...lunch was cantlope and soda pop...more bs..she hates anything carbonated.. pretty much the only thing she will eat is icecream/protien powder/milk and vita in the blender ...same thing i eat..either that or cookies, chocolate, chocolat milk/ marshmellos.....i don't argue with what she wants to eat...like good nutrition will get her a few more years...
    I doubt she has eaten much of anything other that the shakes/malts i bring....and i know they lie about it anyway.
    They are doing nothing more than killing her..They have taken her out of the world she has lived in for the last 5 years and dumped her in a bed and claim it is in her best interest...and it's legal...

    I have a meet with the lawyer that is supposed to be representing her....i want to know if they are playing him or if he is in on the scam...and that it what it is....big profit in it...the she she dies the more profit they collect and there is a line of people on the payroll,,2 lawyers, 3 aps investigators, para legals generating documents as fast as they can chande ink cartaragies..people from fiduciary....transportation a doc to say she isn't mentaly fit to know what is good for her.....24 times today she said..i want to go home...one time she told me that they told her i put her in there...told me 'don't upset her, we call police...told me not to tell her they were taking her home away from her...they go out of their way to tell her nothing..hoping she will forget and become just like the other mindless old people there...she won't....she knows she will never go home again it will be the end of her. They keep saying that it's in her best interest....like i don't know what she needs.....
    Shitty deal....things for other people to know about so it doesn't happen to them..APS is evil, they play outside the law. no probable cause, search and siezure...if the judge new the truth about the situation he would never sign his name on what is little more than kidnapping....what i say don't matter, i'm the bad guy in all this....they had this figured out long before they showed up here...they knew enough to make sure i wasn't here and had the dogs covered...Jak by himself would not let them in, treat or no treat...they had them playing against each other...

    anyway..rant over....need to get my head straight for lawyer tomarrow...
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    Yep same thing happened to my grandmother years ago, state took her and sold the house and trashed all her stuff, put her in a shit box home. None of the family culd do anything about it.
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    Government has far overreached their proper boundaries. I suppose our libs would applaud this.
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    Government overreach...ok, but some body had to to write the law, is this the way they intended it to be used? Mom was perfectly happy, they walk in, pack her out on a gurney and dump her in a shit hole. It isn't like she has dementia, she knows exactly where she is and i told her what was going on. She has been running on her will to live for a long time, the thought of being sent to what is little more than prison will be the end of her in short order...

    They are killing her for her money...it's just that simple...I can't believe this is even legal.
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    guaranteed employment, free comprehensive healthcare, free
    education, free food, free housing, free clothing, free
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    not, such a place does, indeed, exist: It's called prison."

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    they are over reaching but the people you need to blame are the assholes who are family members that are out there taking advantage of their loved ones. they are the ones who make dumb ass laws like this necessary. the ones that tale everything from their so called love ones and abuse them. there the ones who make every ones life hell. the other problem is no one wants to get involved. you have to give credit in today's world that somebody stepped up and said something even if they where wrong. most people would just look the other way and let the abuse continue. you have to understand these agents see this every day. people abusing the elderly. i couldn't do there job. i'd end up in jail myself. it's not a conservative deal or a liberal deal it's just part of life that there are people that these laws apple to. those are the ones we should blame. if this law doesn't apply to you all i can say is get a good lawyer.

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    Sincerely sorry to hear this. That damn sure sucks. You were doing what you are suppose to do, this is all ludicrous.


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    they are over reaching but the people you need to blame are the assholes who are family members that are out there taking advantage of their loved ones. they are the ones who make dumb ass laws like this necessary. the ones that tale everything from their so called love ones and abuse them. there the ones who make every ones life hell. the other problem is no one wants to get involved. you have to give credit in today's world that somebody stepped up and said something even if they where wrong. most people would just look the other way and let the abuse continue. you have to understand these agents see this every day. people abusing the elderly. i couldn't do there job. i'd end up in jail myself. it's not a conservative deal or a liberal deal it's just part of life that there are people that these laws apple to. those are the ones we should blame. if this law doesn't apply to you all i can say is get a good lawyer.
    You ignorant fool. "Stepped up and said something even if they where(sic) wrong"? Again, you are an ignorant fool.
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    So sorry t0o hear this is happening to your Mother. Good luck and keep us updated/.
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    WTF?

    I know you have dedicated this part of your life to caring for your Mom, incredible.

    Might have to go straight to the top...Cal FOX news... seriously, do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavy flow View Post
    they are over reaching but the people you need to blame are the assholes who are family members that are out there taking advantage of their loved ones. they are the ones who make dumb ass laws like this necessary. the ones that tale everything from their so called love ones and abuse them. there the ones who make every ones life hell. the other problem is no one wants to get involved. you have to give credit in today's world that somebody stepped up and said something even if they where wrong. most people would just look the other way and let the abuse continue. you have to understand these agents see this every day. people abusing the elderly. i couldn't do there job. i'd end up in jail myself. it's not a conservative deal or a liberal deal it's just part of life that there are people that these laws apple to. those are the ones we should blame. if this law doesn't apply to you all i can say is get a good lawyer.
    Well at least you stayed on topic this time...

    Here the problem lays; a few despicable people abuse their loved ones for selfish gains and the Government steps in and PAINTS EVERYONE WITH THE SAME BROAD BRUSH. It appears SoldHonda has done nothing inappropriate but yet he now suffers the consequences as those who do abuse their loved ones.

    Here we go…

    A few SICK individuals abuse their mothers,…. now everyone must lose their mothers…

    A few irresponsible people do not have health insurance…. now everyone must suffer the consequences and pay the price….

    A few nuts with guns go off on a shooting spree…..now a movement to remove all guns from everyone

    A few people in a Christian neighborhood are offended by prayer because it makes them “feel like an outsider”….now even though “by definition and common sense” they are an outsider, attempts are constant to remove prayer from everyone….

    A few gay people want to be recognized as MARRIED;…now the sanctity of marriage is now in jeopardy for everyone

    A few people are offended by “In God We Trust”…..now a movement to remove this language from everyone’s money…

    This list can go on and on……. And if you say otherwise, you are a blind fool! (I believe we have already established that fact)

    Point is, I am sick and tired of this Liberal mindset that believes it is OK to destroy “Our Rights and Freedoms” that made this country the greatest nation on Earth, simply because of the modern Liberal movement which demands we must discipline and address the needs of a “few”. The Government takes my hard earned money to give to the ‘few” and now you ask me to accept the fact that it is OK to destroy my “Rights” because of a few choose to be bastards of society.

    heavy flow, you say SoldHonda “needs to blame the assholes who are family members that are out there taking advantage of their loved ones”, ……I would have to say, GO FUCK YOURSELF! This is the mentality and movement that is destroying SoldHonda’s God Given “Rights” and God's directive to take care of his mother.. Honor thy father and thy mother. (it's a Commandment thing...google it)

    What ever happened to the concept of the majority rules? It appears the Government is more interested addressing these "few" by taking away Freedoms rather than embracing and defending the very thing which made the U.S. the greatest country on the face of the earth.

    Sorry heavy flow, from my prospective it appears you would rather be associated with the problem rather than the solution. Now I am sure you will fire back with more meaningless dribble, but I can tell you right now,I DON'T GIVE A SHIT!

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    SoldHonda,
    Please forgive me, but this really pisses me off. You are a better man than me, because if I were in your shoes, I would probably be dead or in jail right now. I sincerely hope you get reunited with your mother by bringing her home where she belongs. May God Bless!
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    snic or what ever. my mother lives with my wife and me because she has copd and is 84 years old. so i understand where he's coming from. so tell me what have you done to help correct these problems exact bitch and whine. nothing right. do you go to your town meeting or county meetings? didn't think so. how about school board meetings? no you just bitch. go ahead and lie to me that you go all the time. so tell me again who's the problem. just set on your ass and watch fox news and be a good little cry baby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavy flow View Post
    snic or what ever. my mother lives with my wife and me because she has copd and is 84 years old. so i understand where he's coming from. so tell me what have you done to help correct these problems exact bitch and whine. nothing right. do you go to your town meeting or county meetings? didn't think so. how about school board meetings? no you just bitch. go ahead and lie to me that you go all the time. so tell me again who's the problem. just set on your ass and watch fox news and be a good little cry baby.





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    Nothing can be removed from a residence without proper court documentation. You had a power of attorney, so go back to the lawyer and have him produce a new copy. Take that copy and demand to see the legal court order that authorized them to remove not just your mother but documents and any other item that was taken from the house. If you also had a medical power of attorney, take it and go get your mother released. Unless the state has had her committed, then you are still her legal guardian and medical care giver. If they have committed her, then get a lawyer and have your mom moved to another facility for a second opinion. And most importantly, get an attorney that only gets paid when you win, and sue their asses off. File one suit right after the other. Charge them with breaking and entering (unless they can provide the court documents that said they were authorized to do so). If they show up to talk to you, tell them to leave or charge them with trespassing. Have fun with it and be the biggest pain in their ass you can possibly be. Follow them around and video tape them. See how much stuff you can catch them doing wrong. But don't get mad and emotional, get one up on them and stay ahead of them.

    Edit: You mentioned they appointed an attorney for your mother. Did they contact her original attorney, the one that drew up her will and POAs? Did they ask her if she had an attorney already? They had to know she did as they seized documents prepared by him. So if they did not contact him first to represent her, they denied her due process.

    Unless there was a charge of wrong doing or a lack of care charge they have no reason to remove her from her domicile. If there is a charge of inadequate care, or some charge of wrong doing, then you have a right to rebut and fight that charge. You are the one that needs an attorney. They have besmirched your character and have accused and convicted you of not providing adequate care for your mother all without you ever getting a day in court. Did they provide documentation stating that you were not capable of providing her the level of care she needed? Or some document stating that her life was in immanent danger? If not, as her legally appointed guardian, they kidnapped her from you. So add that to the list of charges to hit them with.
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    Big props for loving your mother and trying to do the right thing.

    Any and all medical services/inforcement by the various gov bodies is a scam....keep union employees busy, relavent, produce revenue in the form of forced insurance or property confiscation, or bonuses rolling in

    Just wait until we get the full force of Obama Care....special provisions for elder abuse (income stream).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forkin' Crazy View Post
    Sincerely sorry to hear this. That damn sure sucks. You were doing what you are suppose to do, this is all ludicrous.




    You ignorant fool. "Stepped up and said something even if they where(sic) wrong"? Again, you are an ignorant fool.
    Heavy flow is right, it happens a lot....and by the statistics i am a prime candidate.
    The part that's wrong....they operate outside the lines of due process, guilty until proven otherwise, i know of at least one who was a cop who couldn't cut it.
    No actual court, its a hearing ran by an administrative law judge, no jury, none of that 'beyond reasonable doubt" it's 'preponderance of evidence" and opinions are evidence.


    I went to see the lawyer who did the will today....5 1/2 years and the guy is sharp as hell, he remembers the dollar an hour note and mom signing it........i had that note, it was in the box of documents APS swooped up....and for sure it's gone now. Had an off the record conversation with the lawyer they hired to represent mom.APS did a pretty good job of twisting facts to make me look bad...i gave him the actual facts...that stuff that i know to be true because i can prove it...He said their doc says mom has early stage Alzheimer.....I laugh, i told him i bet i can teach her the firing order for a v-8 olds motor in an hour....that's how long it took her to learn the one for chev

    She fools everybody with her lip reading...took me a long time to figure it out...You talk, she watches...she can "hear", you talk, she doesn't watch she is unresponsive (dementia/Alzheimer)...

    Another thing she does that fools everybody....People walk in the room, first thing they say "how are you"? Same answer every time. Before her jack russel died she used to have a canned speech. Somebody she knows comes over she goes into a little performance that covers all the bases, health, weather, breakfast, along with the same funny story about her jackie and her Jak the 120lb rott playing like a couple puppies...Then she will change part of it and run with that version for a while.


    Rather than ask someone to repeat what they said because she missed it, she will just agree, and never disagree....
    (which is a little scary, i have heard some of the questions APS asks her and the way the ask makes it easy for them to get her to say anything they want and i don't think they are smart enough to even realize what they are doing.

    If it's someone she doesn't see on a regular basis they never catch it...my own brother used to call her on the phone once a month..he never caught it.

    Pisses me off, i can't get her out, i'm on aps shit list, the place where she is at, sucks, time to start shit over that...

    Been leaning on my 2 half (assed) brothers to do their share...

    I start with polite, if that don't work, shame is next, i think ridicule comes after that and then tell the entire family what a pos they are, followed by intimidation, then threats, rude threats, faux anger and various derogatory names and if that doesn't work, my fav...the sincere promise of lifetime confinement in a chair with wheels....except for today, i was talking to dave, trying to be civil and he made some off the wall comment about something that is only real in his simple little mind...and i went straight to
    I CU IN HELL MUTHERFUCKER, WATCH FOR ME, ILL BE THE ONE WITH THE FLAME THROWER...it worked, he hung up..lol

    He lucky mo fo he lives in florida, been a few times the only thing between me roadtrip was my mom and $800 in gas.
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    education, free food, free housing, free clothing, free
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