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    UPDATE: Obama to designate San Gabriel Mountains a national monument

    In what supporters call a much-needed development and detractors say is an end run around public review, President Barack Obama will sign an executive order Friday designating approximately 346,000 acres of land in the San Gabriel Mountains as a national monument, officials said Wednesday.

    As a result of years of budget woes, the mountain range has become littered with trash and graffiti, officials say. Crumbling trails and other neglected features pose safety hazards; visitor and recreational resources have deteriorated or even vanished in some places.

    “The San Gabriel Mountains are a treasure, providing 70 percent of the open space for Angelenos and attracting more than 3 million visitors a year,” said Rep. Judy Chu, D-Pasadena, in a statement Wednesday. “But without adequate funding, the gorgeous woods and waters are marred by trash and graffiti while many trails have become dangerous and lack appropriate signage.”

    The area is already part of the Angeles National Forest, but the rules are more lax about what can be done in a national forest than in a national monument.

    For example, new roads can be built and new mines created in a national forest. National monument designations honor existing rights but prevent new drilling and mining while ensuring that historically significant objects are protected.

    Two Los Angeles County agencies raised red flags over the designation, saying national monument status could cause problems with fire suppression, water resources, flood control and roads.

    “This list of issues is alarming,” county Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich said in a statement Wednesday about issues raised by the county Department of Public Works and Fire Department.

    “We have been told repeatedly that this designation will have no impacts on county operations, yet our county departments immediately identified multiple areas of concern,” Antonovich said.

    “We now have more questions than answers, and unfortunately, we will be unable to definitely determine the potential impacts of a designation prior to the president’s ill-advised executive order.”

    “This is really an end run around the process, around congressional approval, and it forfeits the rights of the people to know exactly what the impacts will be and the people’s opportunity to weigh in on whether or not they wanted the monument or the recreational area,” Antonovich spokesman Tony Bell said.

    A spokesman for San Gabriel Mountains Forever, a group whose aim is to protect the San Gabriel Mountains, said he thinks the county’s concerns will be dispelled.

    “I don’t think that there’s any basis for a claim that this will impact any existing rights or operations,” said spokesman Daniel Rossman.

    Earlier this year, Chu introduced legislation to designate the San Gabriel Mountains a national recreation area. After that bill stalled in Congress, Chu urged Obama to instead use his authority to declare the area a national monument.

    The monument designation will make available new sources of money that can be used to address some of the current issues in the mountain range, said Dianne Erskine-Hellrigel, executive director of the Santa Clarita Valley Community Hiking Club.

    “The Angeles National Forest will get additional funding to manage things better,” she said Wednesday.

    Erskine-Hellrigel said some improvements could include additional or improved trails and signage or new parking areas at popular destinations.

    “It’s a step in the right direction,” she said. “It will offer additional protections and help protect our water and air and endangered species.”

    Santa Clarita City Council members voted in July to support Chu’s original legislation to designate the area a national recreation area.

    White House officials say Los Angeles County is one of the most disadvantaged counties in terms of access to open space for minorities, especially children. For many urban residents, the mountains provide the only available large-scale open space.
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    Saw Ozeros speech from Puddlestone. Seems the new National Monument is for Social Justice. Does this mean he is going to clean up the place so the other half of the population can enjoy the place???
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    This was proposed many years ago...good to see it finally happening...
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    Quote Originally Posted by shueman View Post
    This was proposed many years ago...good to see it finally happening...
    Lol.
    Yeah, we'll see. You do realize that it boils down to a money grab, right?
    i could be wrong... Time will tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thatguy View Post
    ... a money grab, right?
    i could be wrong... Time will tell.
    Yep...you might be wrong this time...
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    Quote Originally Posted by shueman View Post
    Yep...you might be wrong this time...
    Maybe...since appropriations NEVER get sidetracked or diverted in CA...

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatguy View Post
    Lol.
    Yeah, we'll see. You do realize that it boils down to a money grab, right?
    i could be wrong... Time will tell.
    You usually are, and it does.

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    Default Graffiti and trash.....

    Gee, obama's liberal voting base must already be enjoying/destroying the area.... Most, not all, of the people I enjoy the outdoors with are conservatives and adhere strickly to the rule, "pack it in, pack it out", and none of them carry spray cans of paint.... So who exactly is leaving the trash and graffitit??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moneypit View Post
    Gee, obama's liberal voting base must already be enjoying/destroying the area.... Most, not all, of the people I enjoy the outdoors with are conservatives and adhere strickly to the rule, "pack it in, pack it out", and none of them carry spray cans of paint.... So who exactly is leaving the trash and graffitit??
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    Whether or not this may be good or bad, shouldn't the people of So Cal have an opportunity to hear exactly what this entails, and have a say in whether we want the government to nationalize OUR land before it gets stolen? Congresswoman Judy Chu took it upon herself to submit this proposal to use another EO to the the Obama administration with out any input from the community. Not the local community, not the residents of So Cal, nobody. She didn't feel it necessary to hold one public hearing on this. She didn't allow the community the time to write in and voice their opinions in the op ed sections in a local papers, nothing. This had zero input from the community. But what I find more telling is she/they did this in 2 weeks. This bill had already died in Congress while following normal protocol.


    Chu had taken over an effort started 11 years ago by Rep. Hilda Solis that resulted in a report from the U.S. National Park Service that said the mountains, San Gabriel and Rio Hondo rivers and the Puente Hills could be a National Recreation Area because they contained historical landmarks, endangered species of animals and trees and numerous recreational opportunities visited by close to 5 million people a year.
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    Chu’s National Recreation Area bill, introduced June 12 as HR 4858, stalled in Congress. A few months later, Chu asked Obama to take the contents of the bill and include it in a proclamation for a national monument. The president has the power under the Antiquities Act of 1906 to declare public lands as national monuments.


    We have a Marine rotting in a Mexican jail and Obama can't find the time to come to his aid. Obama's administration says we have to let the system work, and the Marine needs to go through due process, and this takes time.
    Fund raising and land grabbing in So Cal, he's got ample time for that.
    Apparently 2 weeks and NO COMMUNITY INPUT is what Obama considers a proper amount of due process and sufficient time for a land grab.

    Maybe we should ask some of the communities of No Cal what happens when the government controls their national forest. Now the only people who have access are the Mexican drug cartels were they can grow pot and pollute the forest.

    Once again Shue, you show how inept you are, just go along and get along right? Your sheeple tendencies on display again Shue, you're the perfect Democrat, no brains, no headache!

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    Well we have plenty of money... wait...... Hell, we'll just borrow some more from China. Put it on my grandchildren's tab.

    Idiots!!!
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