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    Well kids, once again a broken tail light has led to a tragic result. We need to prohibit traffic stops for stupid mechanical violations that are nothing more than fishing expeditions by police. Using a broken tail light, as reported, (must have been a bad brake light, IT WAS DURING THE DAY!!!), as "probable cause" for the traffic stop cost a man his life... We need to prohibit police from these bullshit stops. Stops that are used as a reason to frisk, search, and "run" people, and more often than not wind up being much more as over zealous police dig further..
    Why not just note the license number and the mechanical violation in an e mail to the DMV and let THEM notify the owner he/she needs to address the issue? Sure, some would ignore the first notice, so make the second notice a "fine-able" offense?
    Yeah, the guy was a "deadbeat dad".... But that shouldn't get him KILLED.... If the cop would've just rolled up beside the guy and said "Hey, you got a brake light out", the guy would be alive, and the cop still patrolling the streets.. Was/is it murder? 1st degree murder? NO, but at least 1st degree manslaughter... Two lives wasted over a fucking broken lens, or a bad bulb....
    STOP bullshit traffic stops....
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    The cop is a piece of shit. Although I agree a broken tail light is a small infraction, the officer has a right to pull him over. They often use this as a fishing expedition for something else.

    The cop is totally wrong for shooting him, totally. He should get life and the very least, but I doubt he gets 20 yrs.

    One thing I noted, is the people still protested even though the officer was under arrest and charged with murder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forkin' Crazy View Post
    The cop is a piece of shit. Although I agree a broken tail light is a small infraction, the officer has a right to pull him over. They often use this as a fishing expedition for something else.

    The cop is totally wrong for shooting him, totally. He should get life and the very least, but I doubt he gets 20 yrs.

    One thing I noted, is the people still protested even though the officer was under arrest and charged with murder.
    I thought the mayor did a very good job containing the escalation of tempers at the press briefing.

    Handing it it over to the Feds and DOJ immediately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thatguy View Post
    I thought the mayor did a very good job containing the escalation of tempers at the press briefing.

    Handing it it over to the Feds and DOJ immediately.
    I really don't understand why. Here the State Police usually conduct an investigation of officer(s) breaking the law. He is charged with murder anyway.

    I AM pleasantly surprised by this: Walter Scott family 'bar Rev Al Sharpton from the funeral to avoid over-the-top attention' | Daily Mail Online

    Kudos, prayers, and well wished to the Scott family. They are a shining example of how to handle matters!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forkin' Crazy View Post
    I really don't understand why. Here the State Police usually conduct an investigation of officer(s) breaking the law. He is charged with murder anyway.

    I AM pleasantly surprised by this: Walter Scott family 'bar Rev Al Sharpton from the funeral to avoid over-the-top attention' | Daily Mail Online

    Kudos, prayers, and well wished to the Scott family. They are a shining example of how to handle matters!!!
    I think it diffused any attempt to riot or go all Ferguson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thatguy View Post
    I think it diffused any attempt to riot or go all Ferguson.
    It's actually a really smart move. After Ferguson, I heard a lot of the black residents of Ferguson calling for justice from the Feds, because they thought a black AG and POTUS would give it to them. At a time like this, racial unrest doesn't help the situation. With the race baiters always looking to take advantage of a good tragedy, bringing the Feds in could very well stop them before they get started.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry Garand View Post
    It's actually a really smart move. After Ferguson, I heard a lot of the black residents of Ferguson calling for justice from the Feds, because they thought a black AG and POTUS would give it to them. At a time like this, racial unrest doesn't help the situation. With the race baiters always looking to take advantage of a good tragedy, bringing the Feds in could very well stop them before they get started.
    Exactly.

    The mayor effectively removed any avenue of unrest concerning a local investigation.

    In addition, when the one baiter in the audience threw out the "why is there a small % of black LEO" rhetoric, the mayor was prepared and showed that they actively recruit minority officers from other jurisdictions, due to lack of qualified minority applicants locally.

    He gave the baiters zero ammo, and nailed that cop to the wall just as he should have.

    Congrats Ram! You got it right this time!
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    I guess my idea came from the old "less is better". If the police were prohibited from those equipment openings to contact motorists there would be less officer to public interactions and less chances for that simple contact to go sideways. If the stop was truly to prevent accidents, like no tail lights at all on a dark highway, I would agree the stop was necessary. But, why should the stop go any further than the issue at hand, the tail lights? I'll answer my own question. SOME cops live for the chance to roust people, period.
    All that said, who among us that actually had a warrant would be cruising around in a Mercedes with "ghetto" wheels and a faulty tail light?? He told the cop he was buying the car "on Monday" in an effort to defuse any further actions by the cop. The cop COULD have said "OK, fix that tail light and have a nice day." ( I think it was actually a broken red lens emitting a white light when the brake lights came on, but how bad could that be in the DAYTIME?).... The "PC" to "fish" needs to be taken out of the equation and the cops need to catch criminals another way.
    Statistically, there are twice as many WHITES killed by cops than minorities... How many deaths are caused by mechanical violations VS deaths by police after a stupid bullshit traffic stop because the license plate light wasn't working? Hell, most states have reflective plates nowadays any way...
    The man is DEAD because the cop had a "right" to stop him... No stop, no death...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moneypit View Post
    I guess my idea came from the old "less is better". If the police were prohibited from those equipment openings to contact motorists there would be less officer to public interactions and less chances for that simple contact to go sideways. If the stop was truly to prevent accidents, like no tail lights at all on a dark highway, I would agree the stop was necessary. But, why should the stop go any further than the issue at hand, the tail lights? I'll answer my own question. SOME cops live for the chance to roust people, period.
    All that said, who among us that actually had a warrant would be cruising around in a Mercedes with "ghetto" wheels and a faulty tail light?? He told the cop he was buying the car "on Monday" in an effort to defuse any further actions by the cop. The cop COULD have said "OK, fix that tail light and have a nice day." ( I think it was actually a broken red lens emitting a white light when the brake lights came on, but how bad could that be in the DAYTIME?).... The "PC" to "fish" needs to be taken out of the equation and the cops need to catch criminals another way.
    Statistically, there are twice as many WHITES killed by cops than minorities... How many deaths are caused by mechanical violations VS deaths by police after a stupid bullshit traffic stop because the license plate light wasn't working? Hell, most states have reflective plates nowadays any way...
    The man is DEAD because the cop had a "right" to stop him... No stop, no death...
    Ray

    I honestly have have mixed feelings about that.

    From what I saw, that cop would have fucked up eventually and some one would be dead at his hands. Maybe not this victim in the Benz, buy some one, in due time.
    Taking away the discretion of a traffic stop would not have stopped him from failing, it would only have shifted the circumstance.
    While I am the first to say that over zealous cops and their traffic stop bullshit has pissed me off more than once, I also know that many simple stops result in felony arrests.

    So overall, as some one who has no warrant, nothing to hide, doesn't run from cops, etc. I am not ready to take away a tool of LE that can remove bad guys from the street.

    A traffic stop didn't cause this, a weak LEO and a guy that didn't want to go to jail that day caused it. The entire blame is on the killer, he obviously was never prepared do deal with such a simple situation, and never should have had a badge and a gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thatguy View Post
    I honestly have have mixed feelings about that.

    From what I saw, that cop would have fucked up eventually and some one would be dead at his hands. Maybe not this victim in the Benz, buy some one, in due time.
    Taking away the discretion of a traffic stop would not have stopped him from failing, it would only have shifted the circumstance.
    While I am the first to say that over zealous cops and their traffic stop bullshit has pissed me off more than once, I also know that many simple stops result in felony arrests.

    So overall, as some one who has no warrant, nothing to hide, doesn't run from cops, etc. I am not ready to take away a tool of LE that can remove bad guys from the street.

    A traffic stop didn't cause this, a weak LEO and a guy that didn't want to go to jail that day caused it. The entire blame is on the killer, he obviously was never prepared do deal with such a simple situation, and never should have had a badge and a gun.
    Nothing to hide, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry Garand View Post
    Nothing to hide, huh?
    Come see for yourself...

    Did you see my drone footage??
    Im all about aerial reconnaissance these days!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thatguy View Post
    I think it diffused any attempt to riot or go all Ferguson.
    You may be right. Sad day in times we live in that this has to be. White people don't riot because some one kills an unarmed white person, wrong or right.

    And rioting just because the pres and AG have black blood (among others) is no excuse at all. Obama couldn't keep his nose out of it just like the addressing of Trayvon and meddling in Ferguson, etc.

    Obama has cause more of a rift in racial history since the blacks struggle for their civil rights. So the US is set back 35-40 yrs.
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    I agree this shooting is totally unjustified and the officer should and will go to prison. However, to say the victim was shot as a result of having a broken taillight is stupid. Running from the officer was the event that contributed most to him being shot. Thousands of people get pulled over for minor infractions every day. They don't get shot. Running from the cops forces a reaction. Sometimes the response is unwarranted and sometimes even criminal. But it was a response to an action taken...period.

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