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    During the 3-1/2 years of World War II that started with the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor in December of 1941 and ended with the surrender of Germany and Japan in 1945, "We the People of the U.S.A." produced the following:

    22 aircraft carriers
    8 battleships
    48 cruisers
    349 destroyers
    420 destroyer escorts
    203 submarines
    34 million tons of merchant ships
    100,000 fighter aircraft
    98,000 bombers
    24,000 transport aircraft
    58,000 training aircraft
    93,000 tanks
    257,000 artillery pieces
    105,000 mortars
    3,000,000 machine guns and,
    2,500,000 military trucks


    America put 16.1 million men in uniform in the various armed services, invaded Africa, invaded Sicily and Italy, won the battle for the Atlantic, planned and executed D-Day, marched across the Pacific and Europe, developed the atomic bomb and, ultimately, conquered Japan and Germany.


    It's worth noting that during the almost exact amount of time, the Obama Administration couldn't even build a web site that worked or devise and execute a plan to protect Americans from terrorism!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by blown86hallet View Post
    During the 3-1/2 years of World War II that started with the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor in December of 1941 and ended with the surrender of Germany and Japan in 1945, "We the People of the U.S.A." produced the following:

    22 aircraft carriers
    8 battleships
    48 cruisers
    349 destroyers
    420 destroyer escorts
    203 submarines
    34 million tons of merchant ships
    100,000 fighter aircraft
    98,000 bombers
    24,000 transport aircraft
    58,000 training aircraft
    93,000 tanks
    257,000 artillery pieces
    105,000 mortars
    3,000,000 machine guns and,
    2,500,000 military trucks


    America put 16.1 million men in uniform in the various armed services, invaded Africa, invaded Sicily and Italy, won the battle for the Atlantic, planned and executed D-Day, marched across the Pacific and Europe, developed the atomic bomb and, ultimately, conquered Japan and Germany.


    It's worth noting that during the almost exact amount of time, the Obama Administration couldn't even build a web site that worked or devise and execute a plan to protect Americans from terrorism!!!
    That may be true, but during WW II they didn't have the internet or websites that millions or billions access every day. Actually, I believe the web site you're referring to is working OK.
    The President and both houses had a common goal during WW II. What do you suppose would have been the outcome of WW II if both houses in Washington were there with the express intent of blocking anything the President attempted to do?

    We've always had terrorism in the country, It may be different, but it's been here. We just know more, because of the Media and the internet, both of which the-right wing would prefer to limit or shut down.
    Do you not consider KKK, mafia and the McCarthy era groups as using terror and violence for their agenda.

    Do you recall which party was in power and did all of that, which helped win the war?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blown86hallet View Post
    During the 3-1/2 years of World War II that started with the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor in December of 1941 and ended with the surrender of Germany and Japan in 1945, "We the People of the U.S.A." produced the following:

    22 aircraft carriers
    8 battleships
    48 cruisers
    349 destroyers
    420 destroyer escorts
    203 submarines
    34 million tons of merchant ships
    100,000 fighter aircraft
    98,000 bombers
    24,000 transport aircraft
    58,000 training aircraft
    93,000 tanks
    257,000 artillery pieces
    105,000 mortars
    3,000,000 machine guns and,
    2,500,000 military trucks


    America put 16.1 million men in uniform in the various armed services, invaded Africa, invaded Sicily and Italy, won the battle for the Atlantic, planned and executed D-Day, marched across the Pacific and Europe, developed the atomic bomb and, ultimately, conquered Japan and Germany.


    It's worth noting that during the almost exact amount of time, the Obama Administration couldn't even build a web site that worked or devise and execute a plan to protect Americans from terrorism!!!
    If Obama and his liberal goons had been in control,The man in the high tower would be reality instead of a movie.
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    These facts should be required reading for all Americans...ESPECALLY the fools at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

    I assume they CAN read & comprehend.


    And...if you think the website works....THE PROGRAM BARELY DOES. My daughter is type 1 diabetic Now...all of a sudden...insurance only allows for one box of 50 test strips every 25 days. Supposed to check blood sugar 4-times per DAY. Medicaid...not private insurance. GOOD JOB gov'ment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPerm365 View Post
    These facts should be required reading for all Americans...ESPECALLY the fools at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

    I assume they CAN read & comprehend.


    And...if you think the website works....THE PROGRAM BARELY DOES. My daughter is type 1 diabetic Now...all of a sudden...insurance only allows for one box of 50 test strips every 25 days. Supposed to check blood sugar 4-times per DAY. Medicaid...not private insurance. GOOD JOB gov'ment.
    It's time to talk to the doctor, they can get it corrected if they will.
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    There is a difference between WW2 and Terrorism- WW2 was against whole countries and so the enemy was very easy to attack- and to defend against....

    The war on Terrorism is a war against a group of people that have no true country- Taking out the Taliban in Afganistan was the only real success we have had- and when we pulled out early to attack Sad-man in Iraq, we did basically exactly what we did at the end of WW1- left our enemy(actually the VICTIMS of our enemy) in ruin...Which led to a war that was worse(Nazies). And now this has lead to ISIS, boko haram, etc...They (The Muslims) know that we can't be trusted....We give our word, and then we break it.

    We are not going to win the WOT by killing indiscriminately any and all muslims....We need to show the whole of the normal muslims that we are not commiting genocide but are against the terrorists.....Otherwise, we will continue to be a great recruitment tool for the terrorists. The Saudis are now organizing the other Muslim nations against ISIS, and we need to support things like that. Just think what a crimp THAT will put in ISIS recruiting abilities.

    Almost every muslim nation was on our side after 9/11- even Iran sent messages of sympathy while denouncing the Taliban- Remember earlier, when the Taliban blew up some old heritage sites in afganistan, all the mid-east countries denounced them.

    But then we did the same thing we did when the Russians pulled out- We promised to help them rebuild, then we left. Look at what happened after WW2- We supported and helped rebuild Germany and Japan, and now they are our staunchest allies.....It is human nature to get into a fight and then become friends- The Japanese and german people were victims in WW2 as much as anyone else. We should have supported and help rebuild the non-taliban afgan people....But we repeat the same mistakes over and over.....Sometimes we are our worst enemy....We did something even worse in Iran, when we overthrew their legally ELLECTED leader and re-installed the Shaw- "Freedom for the US of A, but it is not for you other countries!" That little mistake took "Persia" and converted it to our worst Muslim enemy....Iran was the most westernized country in the middle east before the islamic revolution.

    Can we be trusted? Don't ask the native americans, the blacks, the muslims etc......If we say what we say, and then DO what we say, we would be much better off.....But the history of great nations is filled with taking back promises.

    Please understand, I love this country, and I think it is a great country, but we need to think through what we say and do, and we need to follow through with our promises, even to small nation who are different from us. We now work together with Jews, Christians, Catholics, Mormans, Hindus, Buddists, etc.....why do we never have any problems with Indonesia, which is Muslim? Would you just start bombing Indonesia....If you decide to commit genocide against Muslims, you will....And any child that survives the massacre will be a ticking time bomb- seriously, what would you do(as a young child) if a large percentage of the worlds population came in and started killing YOUR family.....

    I know what I have said will PO a few people, but remember the old Roman saying, "Who will watch the watchers"....
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimsplace View Post
    That may be true, but during WW II they didn't have the internet or websites that millions or billions access every day. Actually, I believe the web site you're referring to is working OK.
    The President and both houses had a common goal during WW II. What do you suppose would have been the outcome of WW II if both houses in Washington were there with the express intent of blocking anything the President attempted to do?

    We've always had terrorism in the country, It may be different, but it's been here. We just know more, because of the Media and the internet, both of which the-right wing would prefer to limit or shut down.
    Do you not consider KKK, mafia and the McCarthy era groups as using terror and violence for their agenda.

    Do you recall which party was in power and did all of that, which helped win the war?
    Hey Jughead, don't you mean a "President" blocking everything congress tries to do?

    I mean, what's the point when your emperor has his veto pen in high gear?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thatguy View Post
    Hey Jughead, don't you mean a "President" blocking everything congress tries to do?

    I mean, what's the point when your emperor has his veto pen in high gear?
    We'll just have to disagree for the most part, on your post.
    Many of the newer Republican representatives promised during their campaigns to block the President goals, that was their goal.
    Look at Ted Cruz, he won't work with the President. Of course he won't work with his own party either, so what can I say?
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    And there is the whole problem with the Govt we have now- NOONE will work with anyone......One side starts yelling Left-Left-left and the other side is yelling Right-Right-Right.....And so we keep crashing into curbs, not getting on down the road.

    What really made this country so successful was that we have people from all different countries, with all different ideas, and when we come to a problem, the solution (In this country) has almost always been a mixture of the best ideas from all the different cultures- We kicked Germany and Japan's Azzes during WW2- Why? Because while we had Brits, Italians, spaniards, etc, we also had our own Germans and Japanese....We had THEIR ideas and ours......Building all that stuff was part of winning WW2, but so was all the new technology....And of course, I think the single biggest thing that won the war was that we broke their codes and so knew what they were up to before they could pull anything off.

    Now, the one thing that is getting in the way of this country's success is that A) The political parties have gone to their respective corners and just sit there throwing rocks....And B) As far as Business and technology, we no longer have a common language....Used to be, you were stuck in a ghetto until you learned english, now, we have everything printed up multilingual....I can foresee having street signs that are 50 high so- everyone has their own language.....We'll be so busy looking for "Our" sign that we'll run stop signs, etc.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by cvxjet View Post
    And there is the whole problem with the Govt we have now- NOONE will work with anyone......One side starts yelling Left-Left-left and the other side is yelling Right-Right-Right.....And so we keep crashing into curbs, not getting on down the road.

    What really made this country so successful was that we have people from all different countries, with all different ideas, and when we come to a problem, the solution (In this country) has almost always been a mixture of the best ideas from all the different cultures- We kicked Germany and Japan's Azzes during WW2- Why? Because while we had Brits, Italians, spaniards, etc, we also had our own Germans and Japanese....We had THEIR ideas and ours......Building all that stuff was part of winning WW2, but so was all the new technology....And of course, I think the single biggest thing that won the war was that we broke their codes and so knew what they were up to before they could pull anything off.

    Now, the one thing that is getting in the way of this country's success is that A) The political parties have gone to their respective corners and just sit there throwing rocks....And B) As far as Business and technology, we no longer have a common language....Used to be, you were stuck in a ghetto until you learned english, now, we have everything printed up multilingual....I can foresee having street signs that are 50 high so- everyone has their own language.....We'll be so busy looking for "Our" sign that we'll run stop signs, etc.....
    I agree that none of the parties work with the other, they even go out of their way to be on the extreme other side.

    At the present time, the Republican party Presidential candidates are making statements based on lies or what they are saying is so far out there, that most of what they are proposing goes against everything the US stands for and certainly our laws.
    Yet, those are the ones who leading in the pols. They are also the ones who their official party and most of the other party members say don't represent that party.
    Who is, or who represents the Republican party?
    Is it the candidate who the people say they support, or is it the RNC who claims those candidates don't represent the Republican party?
    I don't understand.
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    After only 9 replies we all have come to an agreement, America and her people came together in those times.....

    Fast forward to the present, either party can't work together, people of this country are divided, not only racially but politically and religiously also.... Even in with TERROR on our lands, in our faces, We the people still cant work together in these times...

    Sad sad times..


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    What we really need is an Independant that will talk sense- It's fun and gets your name in the paper to spout extremist BS, but at the end of the day it just gets people run up and running for their corners.

    I liked Reagan because tho he was definitely a Republican, he was willing to work with the libbies, and there was lot accomplished during his presidency. A lot of things were done where they used ideas from BOTH sides.....That is how we have innovated, both politically and in the business world, and beaten every other country.

    One really bad thing now is that ALL of the news sources are compromised- They have been bought and are now owned by people who want spin put on every item. The old saying about computers is relevant, I believe; "Garbage in, Garbage out"....How the hell do you figure out what is really going on...And make good decisions- One side says "Black" and the other says "White"......Of course, almost everything is a shade of gray....(Like my hair is becoming!)....

    When you read or hear something, keep a filter on, and if it sounds utterly ridiculous, start checking other sources.....The worst I ever ran into was my Aunt sent me an E-mail that quoted Obama, "I will stand with the muslims against America"....This sounded patently absurd, so I did some checking and found that this was referencing a book Obama wrote; The actual line was, "I will stand with muslim AMERICANS against anti-muslim violence" in reference to a Sihk man that was killed because he was "one of those towel-heads!"

    We have enough mud to sling at ALL the public officials without making up more crap.

    I sometimes wish that a meteor would hit the capitol......During a congressional pay raise vote...You know they would ALL be there! Then start with a clean slate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cvxjet View Post
    What we really need is an Independant that will talk sense- It's fun and gets your name in the paper to spout extremist BS, but at the end of the day it just gets people run up and running for their corners.

    I liked Reagan because tho he was definitely a Republican, he was willing to work with the libbies, and there was lot accomplished during his presidency. A lot of things were done where they used ideas from BOTH sides.....That is how we have innovated, both politically and in the business world, and beaten every other country.

    One really bad thing now is that ALL of the news sources are compromised- They have been bought and are now owned by people who want spin put on every item. The old saying about computers is relevant, I believe; "Garbage in, Garbage out"....How the hell do you figure out what is really going on...And make good decisions- One side says "Black" and the other says "White"......Of course, almost everything is a shade of gray....(Like my hair is becoming!)....

    When you read or hear something, keep a filter on, and if it sounds utterly ridiculous, start checking other sources.....The worst I ever ran into was my Aunt sent me an E-mail that quoted Obama, "I will stand with the muslims against America"....This sounded patently absurd, so I did some checking and found that this was referencing a book Obama wrote; The actual line was, "I will stand with muslim AMERICANS against anti-muslim violence" in reference to a Sihk man that was killed because he was "one of those towel-heads!"

    We have enough mud to sling at ALL the public officials without making up more crap.

    I sometimes wish that a meteor would hit the capitol......During a congressional pay raise vote...You know they would ALL be there! Then start with a clean slate.

    I agree with most of what you say, however Reagan was a Democrat at one time. The reason he was successful is that he was somewhat of a moderate, but as a Republican.
    With few exceptions, anytime extremists start becoming powerful, there will be problems. That applies to ISIS or in American politics.
    Extremists are just that, they deviate from what most call normal and do not represent the majority of others.

    I agree that Reagan was a rather successful President in getting things done, but then Bill Clinton was also, he just had some side issues that overshadowed the good parts.

    Your wish about the meteor will probably not happen. There are too many house members that are seldom there to vote, they're on the campaign trail raising money from contributors.
    I assume they keep their promises to the contributors better than to the public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cvxjet View Post
    There is a difference between WW2 and Terrorism- WW2 was against whole countries and so the enemy was very easy to attack- and to defend against....
    I may be wrong, but I don't think this thread was started to compare WWII and Terrorism.....

    Oh, we have been at war with the muzzy terrorists before. Google Barbary Wars.
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