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    In a recent post Jimsplace brought up a question that my friend and I often hash over.The question was and this is not the exact wording but close.How much worse things really are now as compared to the past,or is it that we just have more information to know whats happening?
    MY friend and I have concluded that it is a combination of both, but we cannot say if that's right or wrong.
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    I can't speak for others, but in the past three months I've taken a 5% pay cut (on my hourly rate) and a 20% reduction in work hours (32 hours instead of 40). All of this is because of low oil prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bville View Post
    In a recent post Jimsplace brought up a question that my friend and I often hash over.The question was and this is not the exact wording but close.How much worse things really are now as compared to the past,or is it that we just have more information to know whats happening?
    MY friend and I have concluded that it is a combination of both, but we cannot say if that's right or wrong.
    any thoughts?

    IMO, the "we just have more information to know whats happening" theory is a crock of liberal shit based on their premise that "we the people" are too stupid to really understand what is going on! The Dems are just looking for excuses to justify Obama's lack of leadership qualities as well as the failures of their entire party. (Don't get me wrong, but IMO the "spineless" Reps share in the blame as they too allowed for some of this mess to escalate) The stats below are pretty straight forward... However, to tthe Dems favor "more information" concerning "those who have given up looking for work" has assisted and allowed for the false reduction in the unemployment rates. The national unemployment rate is moot when considering the following.... (granted these stories were pulled at random and may be debatable, but the "google" chain of similar stories is endless...)

    This Is Why Participation in the U.S. Workforce Has Plunged to Its Lowest Since 1977


    Median income falls to a 20-year low

    $20 trillion man: National debt nearly doubles during Obama presidency

    Under Obama, Our Military’s Strength Has Significantly Decreased


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    Quote Originally Posted by SNiC View Post
    IMO, the "we just have more information to know whats happening" theory is a crock of liberal shit based on their premise that "we the people" are too stupid to really understand what is going on! The Dems are just looking for excuses to justify Obama's lack of leadership qualities as well as the failures of their entire party. (Don't get me wrong, but IMO the "spineless" Reps share in the blame as they too allowed for some of this mess to escalate) The stats below are pretty straight forward... However, to tthe Dems favor "more information" concerning "those who have given up looking for work" has assisted and allowed for the false reduction in the unemployment rates. The national unemployment rate is moot when considering the following.... (granted these stories were pulled at random and may be debatable, but the "google" chain of similar stories is endless...)

    This Is Why Participation in the U.S. Workforce Has Plunged to Its Lowest Since 1977


    Median income falls to a 20-year low

    $20 trillion man: National debt nearly doubles during Obama presidency

    Under Obama, Our Military’s Strength Has Significantly Decreased


    The "Bullshit Media" , including Business Media has adopted the government's recent calculations concerning unemployment. 6% is not the real world number. They conveniently leave out the people that have left the work force. Some have left the work force for lack of jobs, others have gone on welfare in one form or another. The real figure should be 11or 12% unemployed.

    This number is going to go up. The stock market looks like its going Bear. China is coming to reality, (as Gordon Chang) warned us 2 years ago. Obamacare is going to take a toll on unemployment also. Things are not looking good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boatbroke View Post
    I can't speak for others, but in the past three months I've taken a 5% pay cut (on my hourly rate) and a 20% reduction in work hours (32 hours instead of 40). All of this is because of low oil prices.
    Houston tends to be pretty oil related, and some businesses are doing better than others.
    As a comparison, under the Bush administration many people lost 50% of the value of their house and many, many jobs were lost.

    Sorry to hear about the pay cut. When it's your pay or hours lost, it seems like a lot.
    When it's someone else's, it doesn't seem so bad.

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    I think it is a little of both. 25ys ago we wouldn't hear about somethings just because of the internet, social media, etc. And it is worse now.

    And there is a blame game going on for sure. And none of it is Obama's fault, just ask the media or a stupid liberal.

    And the Obama admin are experts in the cooking of the books. And like said, the media is Obama's propaganda machine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Shelfo Sr. View Post
    The "Bullshit Media" , including Business Media has adopted the government's recent calculations concerning unemployment. 6% is not the real world number. They conveniently leave out the people that have left the work force. Some have left the work force for lack of jobs, others have gone on welfare in one form or another. The real figure should be 11or 12% unemployed.

    This number is going to go up. The stock market looks like its going Bear. China is coming to reality, (as Gordon Chang) warned us 2 years ago. Obamacare is going to take a toll on unemployment also. Things are not looking good.

    It would be nice if your postings didn't appear so biased.
    You refer to, "The 'Bullshit Media,' including Business Media has adopted the government's recent calculations concerning unemployment."

    What numbers would you have them use? Perhaps they should use your, "Real figure should be 11 or 12% unemployed" which has no basis of fact.
    Did you get your "Correct" number from the RNC web site by any chance, or from one of the many political forums on the internet?

    I don't know what the number of unemployed is near you might be, but it's no where near that near me.
    I'm sorry, "Things are not looking good" for you. How were they looking when Bush left office?
    When Bush left office, everyplace looked like crap, particularly in California.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boatbroke View Post
    I can't speak for others, but in the past three months I've taken a 5% pay cut (on my hourly rate) and a 20% reduction in work hours (32 hours instead of 40). All of this is because of low oil prices.
    Yep.

    Ive taken an 80% reduction in annual income directly due to oil prices, or more accurately lack of drilling due to oil prices.

    '08 was my best year ever, '09 was my worst until now.

    09 was directly due to Obama causing uncertainty within the insustry, now is due to OPEC and the marketing of black market oil globally.
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    Bureau of Labor Statics
    You can argue and deny the unemployment numbers all you wish, but the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statics states the following as FACT!

    Less than 2/3 of our Labor Force is employed, leaving over 1/3 or 92.5M people looking for jobs ..... the lowest Labor Force participation since 1977. How can this be a good thing?

    The national Labor Force appears to have taken a downward trend in 2008, and has not recovered. Funny how the U3 unemployment rate keeps declining but the active Labor Force continues to decline as well.


    Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
    Series Id:
    LNS11300000
    Seasonally Adjusted
    Series title: (Seas) Labor Force Participation Rate
    Labor force status: Civilian labor force participation rate
    Type of data: Percent or rate
    Age: 16 years and over

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatguy View Post
    Yep.

    Ive taken an 80% reduction in annual income directly due to oil prices, or more accurately lack of drilling due to oil prices.

    '08 was my best year ever, '09 was my worst until now.

    09 was directly due to Obama causing uncertainty within the insustry, now is due to OPEC and the marketing of black market oil globally.
    You are not alone....
    Under Barack Obama, median household income has dropped (constant 2013 dollars) to where it was in 1995.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatguy View Post
    Yep.

    Ive taken an 80% reduction in annual income directly due to oil prices, or more accurately lack of drilling due to oil prices.

    '08 was my best year ever, '09 was my worst until now.

    09 was directly due to Obama causing uncertainty within the insustry, now is due to OPEC and the marketing of black market oil globally.

    You are so full of Bullshit.

    So it was, "09 was directly due to Obama causing uncertainty within the industry and, "Now is due to OPEC and the marketing of black market oil globally."
    Previously, you've said it was the auto-correct of your computer that made you write stupid things or misspell words.
    You don't take responsibility for anything that isn't in your interest.

    It wouldn't possibly be that since 2008 or 2009 when you joined Performance Boats and River Dave's and you've spent all of your time posting and blaming others for your problems, would it?
    Anyone that has time to post almost 30,000 posts is wasting far too much time posting on political issues within boating sites.
    Almost 15,000 posts is a ridiculous number on each site, and then you want to blame it on someone else.

    The reduction in drilling has only taken place in the past year or two and that is due to lower natural gas and an over-production of oil.
    Surprisingly the Oil companies are still making money.

    In other words the oil companies have been ripping of the general population for years making huge profits.
    Remember when the oil industry was transporting oil to other states from California, and to their subsidiaries increasing the price, and then transporting it back to California, just so they could increase the price again, along with increasing their margin for the over $4.00 a gallon gas.
    The price of gas is now $2.00 and they still are making money. Where did that other $2.00 per gallon go, other than in someones pocket? How many gallons of gas does California alone consume each year?

    There could be another explanation for the reduced income, the poster retired.
    Either way, this is a bullshit post by a deceitful person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SNiC View Post
    Bureau of Labor Statics
    You can argue and deny the unemployment numbers all you wish, but the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statics states the following as FACT!

    Less than 2/3 of our Labor Force is employed, leaving over 1/3 or 92.5M people looking for jobs ..... the lowest Labor Force participation since 1977. How can this be a good thing?

    The national Labor Force appears to have taken a downward trend in 2008, and has not recovered. Funny how the U3 unemployment rate keeps declining but the active Labor Force continues to decline as well.


    Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
    Series Id:
    LNS11300000
    Seasonally Adjusted
    Series title: (Seas) Labor Force Participation Rate
    Labor force status: Civilian labor force participation rate
    Type of data: Percent or rate
    Age: 16 years and over
    Where do you come up with this garbage?
    The Government says the unemployed rate is somewhere near 5 or 6%, Sheflo says it's 11 or 12% and now you say it's over 33% or over 1/3.
    Damn, by the time the day is over, were going to have no one is working.

    Do you ever analyze what your post.
    A short while back, it was said that numbers don't lie.
    They may not lie, but the same numbers can be made to say many different things.
    Of those looking for a job, how many have jobs, but are looking to better their situation? How about, most employed people are looking for a better job.
    So, they are counted as looking for a job.

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    So if I have this right we have the same amount of people working now as we did in 1977.In that same amount of time the country has increased in population by 100 million.That doesn't seem like a good thing.Maybe we can jiggle the numbers around and make it all better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forkin' Crazy View Post
    I think it is a little of both. 25ys ago we wouldn't hear about somethings just because of the internet, social media, etc. And it is worse now.

    And there is a blame game going on for sure. And none of it is Obama's fault, just ask the media or a stupid liberal.

    And the Obama admin are experts in the cooking of the books. And like said, the media is Obama's propaganda machine.
    Just a note FC, "stupid liberal" is a redundant statement.. ALL liberals are stupid.

    Right now, in his "lame duck" year, obama is desperately trying to establish a favorable legacy. Trouble is nothing he has done has turned out favorable, nothing... He will fight tooth and nail to find something to hang his hat on, but it just isn't there. (unless of course you're a "liberal") ("Stupid" omitted)...

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