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    Question Murder?

    For some reason this forum won't let me post it starting at 9:00, so start it there....

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    The situation seems not over as several militia / patriot groups have issued a call to action for the burns Oregon area , and are calling for the arrest of FBI agent in charge , county sheriff and so on ! The last eat info suggest's 4 protesters are still at the refuge and more on there way in support ! As for the video , it appears finicum may have been shot in abdomen and put his hands in the same area , don't know if he was reaching for a piece or the wound ! Need more footage to be sure but we will never see it , from eyewitness reports in the truck , they are claiming they were fired upon first , why do I believe them ?
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    Within an hour, or so of the ambush, I was contacted by a very close family friend of LaVoy Finicum. I've known her for five decades and she had been in contact with family members who received calls from members of this group - two of which were in the vehicle that was ambushed. While on their way to a town hall meeting with the local sheriff, they were stopped by authorities and Mr. Bundy stuck his head out the window of the vehicle at such time he was fired upon by authorities which prompted them to make a run from the gunfire which ultimately met them up with the prepared roadblock where LaVoy, the driver swerved well clear of any men or vehicles in place into a snow bank. LaVoy got out of the car and hollered at the authorities because they fired on them unprovoked and approached them with his hands up at such time he was shot in the abdomen which he reached to cover then subsequently he was shot numerous more times to death. His body was left lying in the snow for over ten minutes without any care while the vehicle was pelted with bullets from authorities and the passengers huddled against the floorboard as best they could.

    Two important facts here that I learned from recorded testimony from a passenger in the car. None of the protesting ranchers ever fired a shot! None of the protesters ever raised firearms in defense.

    Here are my questions.
    * If Ferguson/Baltimore/Los Angeles/etc. rioters are allowed to destroy police cars, burn buildings and loot businesses of their merchandise without as much as an arrest, why would they shoot to kill a small group of protesters on their way to a public town hall meeting?
    * If we are releasing convicted felon immigrants by the thousands from prisons and dangerous terrorist leaders - committed to kill Americans, why are we killing our American ranchers in cold blood.
    * If groups are blocking bridges, roadways, Wall Street, college campuses and denying passage on public roadways to citizens without arrests or criminal charges being filed, why would we want to shoot a father of eleven foster kids with his hands up dead?
    * How will our corrupt government cover this with the aerial footage and first hand testimony showing their clear wrongdoing?
    * Why did they immediately silence the media, cover and impound the bullet-ridden vehicle away from any public view?
    * Lastly, is this the direction our government is headed as our nation sidesteps constitutional law in favor of obama law?
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    The Government is out of control.This was all planned.Road block around the only sharp turn, snipers in the woods.The first story was that the FBI was pulling them over for a defective tail light.
    It is interesting that one of the Governments flunky alphabet organizations starts something BLM and then the FBI has to come in and finish it.Just like the Bundy situation BLM and Waco atf,and maybe ruby ridge.

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    I'll go with murder, Alex.

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    This does not look good. He had his hands up. Video closeups may be the Gov's undoing.

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    It will be quite telling when jughead, ram/perry, cvx, etc. comes here to defend the government after the same government left the rioters in multiple cities, Wall St. protesters, highway blockers, etc. alone as if these ranchers, were somehow doing more damage or causing more problems for the general population than the other protesters were - after all they took up residency in an empty building and kept it perfectly organized and safe.
    When they do, ask them this question.
    * Who had greater ownership of this building? - - - the American people or the acronym organizations that murdered LaVoy?
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    Flying the American flag upside down is an officially recognized signal of distress.
    Here is the relevant part of the US Code of Laws regarding how to fly the flag when in distress:


    THE UNITED STATES FLAG CODE
    Title 4, Chapter 1


    8(a)The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.

    Innocent people are being shot down by Government authorities, select groups are allowed to burn our towns in protest, our borders are open to terrorist, certain cities harbor and protect known murderers and illegal immigrants, and innocent people are being murdered via incompetence and the over-reaches of Government authorities ....if these examples do not qualify as "extreme danger to life or property".... what does?


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post
    Within an hour, or so of the ambush, I was contacted by a very close family friend of LaVoy Finicum. I've known her for five decades and she had been in contact with family members who received calls from members of this group - two of which were in the vehicle that was ambushed. While on their way to a town hall meeting with the local sheriff, they were stopped by authorities and Mr. Bundy stuck his head out the window of the vehicle at such time he was fired upon by authorities which prompted them to make a run from the gunfire which ultimately met them up with the prepared roadblock where LaVoy, the driver swerved well clear of any men or vehicles in place into a snow bank. LaVoy got out of the car and hollered at the authorities because they fired on them unprovoked and approached them with his hands up at such time he was shot in the abdomen which he reached to cover then subsequently he was shot numerous more times to death. His body was left lying in the snow for over ten minutes without any care while the vehicle was pelted with bullets from authorities and the passengers huddled against the floorboard as best they could.

    Two important facts here that I learned from recorded testimony from a passenger in the car. None of the protesting ranchers ever fired a shot! None of the protesters ever raised firearms in defense.

    Here are my questions.
    * If Ferguson/Baltimore/Los Angeles/etc. rioters are allowed to destroy police cars, burn buildings and loot businesses of their merchandise without as much as an arrest, why would they shoot to kill a small group of protesters on their way to a public town hall meeting?
    * If we are releasing convicted felon immigrants by the thousands from prisons and dangerous terrorist leaders - committed to kill Americans, why are we killing our American ranchers in cold blood.
    * If groups are blocking bridges, roadways, Wall Street, college campuses and denying passage on public roadways to citizens without arrests or criminal charges being filed, why would we want to shoot a father of eleven foster kids with his hands up dead?
    * How will our corrupt government cover this with the aerial footage and first hand testimony showing their clear wrongdoing?
    * Why did they immediately silence the media, cover and impound the bullet-ridden vehicle away from any public view?
    * Lastly, is this the direction our government is headed as our nation sidesteps constitutional law in favor of obama law?
    You say that you were contacted within an hour of so by a close friend of LaVoy. You then say she had received calls from members of the group, two of which were in the Vehicle, who apparently had said Bundy stuck his head out the window, at which time he was fired upon, I assume for no reason. So, he took off.
    I'll call BULLSHIT.
    It would take more time than that to get everyone booked into jail, get a lawyer and talk to family members, much less get all of that detail to you in an hour or so.

    More Bullshit.
    Where did you hear the recorded testimony? Was it from their attorney or the Government?
    Neither side would provide that to be available at the present time.

    More Bullshit.
    You go on to say it was going to be a, "Group of protesters on their way to a public town hall meeting." Why would there be a "Town Hall Meeting," the town wants them gone and is not involved in resolving the situation?
    Who was supposed to be at this Town Hall Meeting?

    You go on to say something about silencing the Media, but yet it was all over the news where I am. Perhaps you live in some backwoods area that doesn't have TV or internet, is that the case?
    If you have access to news, perhaps it's the one sided news sources you prefer to listen to that's the problem. Oh, I forgot, it's always some else's fault, again.

    You make more idiotic statements about sidestepping Constitutional Law. Since when is it legal for anyone to confiscate or take over Federal Property?
    This has nothing to do with the Constitution, it's about violating the Law.

    More idiotic statements, "* If groups are blocking bridges, roadways, Wall Street, college campuses and denying passage on public roadways to citizens without arrests or criminal charges being filed, why would we want to shoot a father of eleven foster kids with his hands up dead?
    While I don't generally care for groups to do what you've suggested, maybe those protesters are doing what is know as a peaceful protest, you know they aren't carrying around rifles, pistols or shotguns.
    I'm sure you won't understand the concept peaceful, but maybe some of the others will.

    You post bizarre and unrealistic stories to stir up shit and seldom if ever are you accurate or even truthful.

    I'll tell you what I've been told, and what I have done, "IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE LAW, THEN GET IT CHANGED."
    That's how a civilized world works.
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    Jim , the reports are that the protesters were headed to a surrounding county to gather support , the sheriff in the neighboring county was/is rumored to be sympathetic to the protesters cause . A town hall meeting was scheduled for the early evening with reports of approximately 200 residents to gather
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pm/pe122 View Post
    Jim , the reports are that the protesters were headed to a surrounding county to gather support , the sheriff in the neighboring county was/is rumored to be sympathetic to the protesters cause . A town hall meeting was scheduled for the early evening with reports of approximately 200 residents to gather
    I haven't seen anything about the surrounding county sheriff's positions, but what I've seen reported is most of the local folks just want the protester to go home.
    I have to admit, that I would be skeptical about the Law enforcement officials allowing protester to come and go as they wished.
    I felt the Government was tolerant by not taking a more pro-active positions about removing the protesters.
    I don't think most of us wanted anyone to get hurt, but when protesters make the presence of firearms known as part of their protest, it didn't surprise me that someone did.
    It appeared that as long as no destruction was taking place and it apparently wasn't disrupting activities, they were just being allowed to remain.

    If it were up to me, I'd perhaps allow individuals leave the location, but they would not be allowed to return, and certainly not if they were attempting to recruit more people.
    But, I'm not in charge and I wasn't there.

    But, thanks for the insight.

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    What a shame that someone got murdered when in reality no one needed to die at all. Just one more example of another government official overstepping their authority... Lets hope that this will get settled in court and the guy that murdered the protester that had his hands in the air will go to jail for a very long time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roaddogg 4040 View Post
    What a shame that someone got murdered when in reality no one needed to die at all. Just one more example of another government official overstepping their authority... Lets hope that this will get settled in court and the guy that murdered the protester that had his hands in the air will go to jail for a very long time...

    Steve
    So, you've already decided the shooter is a murder? You weren't there and it is uncertain from the aerial photo what did happen.
    The person who was shot did reach down to his coat before being shot and you have no idea what he was reaching for. It may have been for a gun or it could have been something else, but we don't know.
    What we do know, is the individual was in the process of violating the law.(The taking of Federal Property)

    As far as no one needing to die, I'm surprised there has not been more violence.
    Anytime armed people take over a government facility, there is a huge risk that someone is going to fire a shot that results in injury, regardless of the reason or necessity.

    Surely, you are aware the two individuals who were sent to jail and this is supposedly about, have been saying for the protesters to end it and go home.

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