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    I beieve that Mike Rowe it the nail on the head

    Mike Rowe, the guy of “Dirty Jobs” fame, issued some scathing criticisms against the NFL and — well, and pretty much everyone else tied to the whole football protest movement.

    No, really, Mike, tell us how you feel.
    A fan asked Rowe what he thought about the state of the football industry, about President Donald Trump’s comments, and about NFL players who didn’t stand for the national anthem. So Rowe told him.
    And what a response it was.
    As the Daily Caller noted, Rowe said, in a written reply: “In democracies, we the people get the government we deserve. We also get the celebrities we deserve, the artists we deserve and the athletes we deserve. Because ultimately, we the people get to decide who and what gets our attention, and who and what does not.”
    Enter the kneeling NFL players.
    “The NFL, the players who choose to kneel, the networks who choose to broadcast their protest, the advertisers who sponsor the games and the president of the United States are all eager for our attention,” he went on. “And they are all using football to get it.”
    That’s fine, Rowe said. Until it isn’t.
    “In my view,” he wrote, “this controversy really isn’t about patriotism, social justice, racial inequality or free speech. It’s not even about the flag or the National Anthem. It’s really only about one thing — what we will tolerate and what we won’t.”
    Even Rowe didn’t like Trump’s call for coaches to fire players who refuse to stand for the anthem, saying he was “disappointed” to hear the president make such an appeal.
    “Not because I dispute the owners’ right to do so,” Rowe said, “and not because I would grieve the dismissal of anyone who chooses to disrespect our flag. I was disappointed because the president’s comments presuppose that the owners are in charge of the game. They’re not. We are. We decide what to watch and that decision — far more than any other consideration — will determine what the owners choose to do. And that in turn will affect what the players choose to do.”
    Good point.
    Rowe said the president missed a golden opportunity to remind the nation that the NFL, in the end, and its players “work for us,” the fans and the people.
    “He might have also used the occasion to remind us that he, too, serves at our pleasure,” Rowe continued.
    Then there’s Roger Goodell, commissioner of the league, as well as the NFL Player’s Association.
    “I felt a similar bemusement when the commissioner issued his response, followed by the president of the player’s union,” he said. “Their comments, along with the comments of many of the players themselves, were perfectly reasonable, perfectly understandable, and perfectly in keeping with their First Amendment rights. But they were also perfectly arrogant. Because they, too, presuppose that millions of fans will continue to watch them play a game, no matter what.”
    Once again, good point.
    “Here’s the thing,” Rowe wrapped. “The fans of professional football are not powerless — we’re just not yet offended enough to turn the channel. Should that ever change in a meaningful way — if, for instance, a percentage of football fans relative to those players who chose to kneel during today’s games, chose to watch something else next Sunday — I can assure you … the matter would be resolved by Monday.”
    Quite right.
    And what a timely reminder: We the people are not powerless.
    We’re not just the bosses of legislators, senators, police and yes, the president — we’re also the bosses of the free market. If we don’t like the NFL and what it’s doing politically, we can certainly change that, and quickly, with both pens and pocketbooks.
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    OK....I can't stand Kaepernick.....And I don't watch the NFL anymore.....But I see this as a good first step in wiping out any form of free speech....Maybe, as an idea, we could all stop watching the NFL...and Baseball...and basketball......I mean, in Russia, they don't watch or play these games.....What does Putin watch? Probably Soccer......Let's make that the USSR's sport of choice! Look to FAUX "News" for your marching orders.....

    Never-ever should you be allowed to disagree with a good "conservative" government...What ever they say is absolute "GOSPEL"!
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    I could not care any less as to "what' Putin watches .....how is that relevant?

    NFL Players have every right to take a knee during our National anthem as a method of protest....although their own Rules prohibit such a protest during the National Anthem, .....that is between the Players and owners to decide if they want to abide by and enforce their own rules and regulations....

    As a viewer, and citizen, I have every right to say this NFL protest is one of the most shameful, despicable, disgraceful and disrespectful displays of protest activity by "our own" that I have ever witnessed....
    And I have the right to say I have lost any and all respect for the entire NFL organization and I hope they NEVER recover from their choices.





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    I really don't like people disrespecting the flag.....But I also realize that different people have different ways of protesting or disagreeing with our country's govt'....Which is one of the fondations of this country's concept of freedom.....

    I think chumpy has a lot more to worry about than what's up with the sporting world.......

    And my basic view of donny....
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    As POTUS, in what way has "donny" disrespected the constitution?



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    Quote Originally Posted by SNiC View Post
    I could not care any less as to "what' Putin watches .....how is that relevant?

    NFL Players have every right to take a knee during our National anthem as a method of protest....although their own Rules prohibit such a protest during the National Anthem, .....that is between the Players and owners to decide if they want to abide by and enforce their own rules and regulations....

    As a viewer, and citizen, I have every right to say this NFL protest is one of the most shameful, despicable, disgraceful and disrespectful displays of protest activity by "our own" that I have ever witnessed....
    And I have the right to say I have lost any and all respect for the entire NFL organization and I hope they NEVER recover from their choices.


    Excellent post but I disagree that they have a "right to take a knee" if it says in the NFL Rules
    Book and their contractural agreement with the NFL they must stand and respect the Anthem which it does.
    Pretty sad that the American Snipers widow said See Ya to the NFL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiquidDan View Post
    Excellent post but I disagree that they have a "right to take a knee" if it says in the NFL Rules
    Book and their contractural agreement with the NFL they must stand and respect the Anthem which it does.
    Pretty sad that the American Snipers widow said See Ya to the NFL.
    Correct...not EVERY Right, .....but they do have a "right to take a knee" as under the 1st amendment of our Constitution...... But it appears the owners are as much a part of this "disgrace" as they choose NOT to hold their players/employees to the current NFL regulations which prohibit such disgraceful activity!

    Edit: And to add....these same owners prohibited a display to Honor the assassinated Dallas Police Officers and also prohibited helmet stickers to promote Breast Cancer Awareness....Owners said, "That is against the NFL rules and regulation"......Fuckin hypocrites!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SNiC View Post
    Correct...not EVERY Right, .....but they do have a "right to take a knee" as under the 1st amendment of our Constitution...... But it appears the owners are as much a part of this "disgrace" as they choose NOT to hold their players/employees to the current NFL regulations which prohibit such disgraceful activity!

    Edit: And to add....these same owners prohibited a display to Honor the assassinated Dallas Police Officers and also prohibited helmet stickers to promote Breast Cancer Awareness....Owners said, "That is against the NFL rules and regulation"......Fuckin hypocrites!
    And FUK Jerry Jones!...looks like Trump even called him up after his one knee
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    Ok......so in NAZI germany, one of the smart things that hitler did was to get a large portion of the german populace to go after anybody who disagreed with him........I would suppose you guys don't see any parallel......remember to ONLY talk about the NFL/"Patriot" problem.......and not the Puerto Rico situation, the N. Korea problem, the failure of the Repcons to crush "Obama-care"- just that all the NFL is "Anti- Patriot"...(Remember, a patriot is defined as blindly following the >>>CONSERVATIVE<<<< Govt' of America...You WILL wave the flag, and never express doubt of what they are doing)....

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    ..........Some people choose not to get the message.
    It seems as though some people act as if their thoughts are the only way to be an American, and they are wrong in numerous ways. They criticize anyone who thinks or acts differently than they do. In one post SNIC says they have a right to Kneel, and then when Liquiddan post otherwise , SNIC for some reason changes his earlier position.
    As far as the Snipers wife, she has demonstrated a strong support for the President and profited from her husbands fame. She apparently has forgotten he fought for the right to protest or express ones opinion in just about any manner they wished.

    Whatever rules the NFL might have, would be between management and the players, and that apparently was worked out. So that's a non-issue and never involved anyone else, and certainly not those on this site.

    The issue was never about patriotism, the National Anthem or the flag. It's about racism and trying to create a situation to criticize someone for what never existed. No one insulted the flag or any song. Tell me how kneeling is protesting the flag or patriotism. Not one time has anyone turned their back on the flag nor spat or raised their middle finger. That would be disrespectful, but not kneeling.

    Personally, I don't care if anyone burns a jersey or never watch another NFL game. I don't have an NFL jersey nor do I care to watch the game anyway. For those individuals who burnt their season tickets or their jersey as shown on television, that seems pretty stupid to burn ones own overpriced property. Personally, it seemed pretty stupid in the first place to have bought it, but that's one right.

    These same people support the President who never served in the military and avoided serving due to a bone spur, but somehow seemed capable to play tennis. This same President has been shown many times to not place his little pussy grabbing hands on his heart during various Nation Anthem events prior to becoming President. But that's not being criticized, is it? Why?

    I find it amazing how narrow minded and how little some people understand what words mean, like KNEEL. What this country needs is better education and reading skills.

    I didn't write this, but think about it while being a judgmental soul. Kneeling is not derogatory, nor is it an insult to the flag or National Anthem by any definition.

    What Does It Mean To Kneel

    I watched football once. Well, maybe four or five times, accidentally, since sometimes the TV was in front of the snack table. Basically, I don’t know much about football.
    But I do know a little about symbolism.
    ‘to kneel’Oxford English Dictionary: [To] be in or assume a position in which the body is supported by a knee or the knees,
    as when praying or showing submission: ‘They knelt down and prayed.’
    The act of kneeling has a rich body of connotations from pure subordination to reverence to supplication. A person typically kneels in deference to something, whether literally or metaphorically. Whatever that something is, the implication of the kneeling is usually that the kneeler is acknowledging, resigning to, or yielding to the power or glory of that ‘something’.
    And while I know way more about bean dip than football, in a societal context, I sure as hell know what football players symbolize: MASCULINITY. American football players are immense, muscled, unyielding, high energy, powerful, animalistic. They are Men, with a capital “M”.
    So what is the effect, symbolically, of football players… kneeling?
    (Picture: AP Photo/Michael Dwyer)

    Notably, the contrast intensifies the power of this protest. The kneelers, the ones engaged in this gentle, submissive action, are the very men who Americans have cast as the apex of male dominance, as modern-day gladiators.
    Eric Reid, who is (apparently?) an NFL football player, gave an eloquent statement to The New York Times on why he chose to kneel. In it, he says the following:
    “After hours of careful consideration . . . we came to the conclusion that we should kneel, rather than sit, the next day during the anthem as a peaceful protest. We chose to kneel because it’s a respectful gesture. I remember thinking our posture was like a flag flown at half-mast to mark a tragedy.”
    If these men had bent over and mooned the flag throughout the national anthem? Ok. If they had flipped the flag off? Alright. If they had all chosen to sit? Perhaps then there would be more ground for ferocious ‘disrespect’-based attacks. But these men are kneeling. Their physical action, the grace of which is made even more evident by their status as glorified representatives of hyper-masculinity, is arguably more reverent than standing.
    The kneelers’ platform (i.e., their place of employment), their occupation (i.e., athletes who perform for the entertainment of others), and their income (i.e., a whole lot of money) are often just red herrings.
    Only two other symbols seem to be at the core of this discussion. The first is the kneeler’s blackness, which itself is a potent symbol in the United States with its own rich, devastating, inspiring history. The second is the American flag and, in tandem, our country’s anthem.
    Viewed as performance art, physically strong black men kneeling silently before the American flag as the anthem is sung makes for a breathtaking statement.
    The construction of this protest is brilliant in its simplicity: The kneeling men uphold the tradition of the anthem, they respect the flag throughout, and then they perform all their job requirements.
    Yet for a brief minute or two, as they kneel, we as viewers are forced to ask ourselves if these men are as American as any other American. Because if they are, then here before us are our own countrymen, literally fallen to their knees before the most encapsulating symbols of our country, pleading for our ears, our eyes.
    Their kneeling is not a snub to the flag. It is an appeal to it.

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    FAUX "News" has indoctrinated all of these "Super patriots" to believe that Donny is just that...A "SUPER PATRIOT".......yet he would NEVER ever fight for this country, and more and more evidence points to the russians interfering with the election>>>>To get Trumpy elected<<<<<So Putin is VERY happy to have Trumpy in there, and....So are the American "Super patriots"......But then they believe that Putin, who has cheated his own country's political system to make him Dictator for life, has had a number of opponents assassinated, has stated that he wants to re-assemble the USSR- To the "Super patriots" Putin is a great man, a true Christian, and can only be "a plus if he IS involved in the US elections".....And so the hyper-rights go about there main FAUX-directed purpose...To sell out their own country.....

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    Straight from the NFL Rulebook.....

    "The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.
    During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses."
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimsplace View Post
    ..........Some people choose not to get the message.
    It seems as though some people act as if their thoughts are the only way to be an American, and they are wrong in numerous ways. They criticize anyone who thinks or acts differently than they do. In one post SNIC says they have a right to Kneel, and then when Liquiddan post otherwise , SNIC for some reason changes his earlier position.
    Please take the time to read what is posted before attacking....
    Why do you constantly insist on making something out of nothing? My original post said that they have EVERY right to take a knee and I ALSO pointed out it was against their own NFL rules. Dan reiterated MY point that I already posted and I simply agreed with him. I changed nothing and I do not appreciate you coming in here for the sole purpose of stirring up shit..... It appears you are not capable of posting anything unless you are attacking someone here....sad....very sad!

    But, same as NFL players and if Rexone allows, you do have every right to come here and attack people for no reason and continue making a compete ass out of yourself! ....Post on!



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