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    Default President Trump Earns the Highest Presidential Approval Level of All Time

    Check out the attached link to a non-partisan organization geared towards small business. The graphs don't lie.
    NFIB

    As an amusing antidote to that (prompting the post's "title"), the following is an excerpt from Scott Adams (of Dilbert fame). As a self-employed person himself, the article obviously shows Scott's approval of Trump, but makes some interesting observations about REAL presidential approval polls. (so don't just knee-jerk dismiss Jim and cvx) Enjoy!


    President Trump Earns the Highest Presidential Approval Level of All Time by Scott Adams
    Posted January 9, 2018

    The Small Business Optimism Index hit an all-time high. That’s the new Presidential Approval Poll.

    In olden days (pre-2016), candidates for president were not so different from each other. I can remember pundits complaining endlessly about how similar the Democrats and Republicans had become. In that environment, you can easily imagine someone who voted for Candidate A warming up to Candidate B. In those simpler times, a presidential approval poll meant something.
    Today, a “presidential approval poll” is little more than taking attendance. If you’re a Democrat, you disapprove of President Trump as a lifestyle choice. If you voted for Trump, you probably still approve of him because you knew exactly what you were getting. And if you are an anti-Trump conservative, you allow cognitive dissonance to rule your brain and you say he’s doing a good job but you disapprove of him anyway. David Brooks accidentally described this phenomenon in this article.

    I contend that business optimism — and small business optimism in particular — are the new standard for presidential approval because “economics” captures most of what a president influences.

    If a president starts a war, or threatens to start one, the economy flinches.

    If a president starts a trade war, or threatens one, the economy flinches.

    If a president is tearing apart the fabric of civilization in one way or another, the economy collapses.

    If a big terror attack succeeds on the homeland, the economy flinches.

    If immigration is allowed in large numbers, the economy feels it.

    I could go on. The point is that all of the “big” issues directly influence the economy via their impact on our psychology and our resources. In a free, capitalist country, “the economy” captures all the goodness and badness of a presidency without really trying. And the measure that best reflects the future of the economy, in my opinion, is small business optimism.

    Big businesses can do fine with a president who promotes policies that favor big corporations, even if the rest of the country is suffering. But when small business owners are feeling good about the economy, that means the president is doing a more bottoms-up job of getting things right. President Trump has focused on bottoms-up economics from the start, meaning jobs and lessened regulations. Apparently that is working.

    I have been telling you for two years straight that psychology drives the economy, and that a Master Persuader such as President Trump can directly influence psychology and optimism. We see him doing that right before our eyes."
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    Default And if I may add....

    Small businesses comprise what share of the U.S. economy?

    Small businesses make up:

    99.7 percent of U.S. employer firms,

    64 percent of net new private-sector jobs
    ,

    49.2 percent of private-sector

    employment,

    42.9 percent of private-sector payroll,

    46 percent of private-sector output,

    43 percent of high-tech employment,

    98 percent of firms exporting goods,

    and

    33 percent of exporting value.

    Source: U.S. Census Bureau,

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    Trump also has the highest approval rating by the Russian government- including Putin!

    I guess this is great if you think (Like the GOP and New "Conservatives") that corporations are people, too! (Voter rights for corporations- Yeah!) They are definitely more important.....

    "People must sacrifice to help out poor corporations in this country- Pay more, get less- don't complain! This will help out what is really important Multi-national corporations!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by cvxjet View Post
    Trump also has the highest approval rating by the Russian government- including Putin!

    I guess this is great if you think (Like the GOP and New "Conservatives") that corporations are people, too! (Voter rights for corporations- Yeah!) They are definitely more important.....

    "People must sacrifice to help out poor corporations in this country- Pay more, get less- don't complain! This will help out what is really important Multi-national corporations!"

    58, 59....60! I KNEW it wouldn’t take long for you to chime in with the expected “from Russia with love” theme...

    all kidding aside though, did you not read this was all about SMALL business? No Ruperts or George Soros types allowed! Just mom and pops and a some a bit bigger just trying to claw their way back after the slowest recovery in American history....and thanks to trump, doing it faster in the last 12-14 months than EVER before!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SNiC View Post
    Small businesses comprise what share of the U.S. economy?

    Small businesses make up:

    99.7 percent of U.S. employer firms,

    64 percent of net new private-sector jobs
    ,

    49.2 percent of private-sector

    employment,

    42.9 percent of private-sector payroll,

    46 percent of private-sector output,

    43 percent of high-tech employment,

    98 percent of firms exporting goods,

    and

    33 percent of exporting value.

    Source: U.S. Census Bureau,



    You may provide it, but it is largely just interesting, and highly irrelevant and misleading. According to Bloomberg 8 out of 10 entrepreneurs who start businesses fail within the first 18 months. A whopping 80% crash and burn, but I'm sure you already knew that.. Why is it irrelevant? Of that,
    99.7 percent of U.S. employer firms,
    how many employers have (1) employee?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimsplace View Post
    You may provide it, but it is largely just interesting, and highly irrelevant and misleading. According to Bloomberg 8 out of 10 entrepreneurs who start businesses fail within the first 18 months. A whopping 80% crash and burn, but I'm sure you already knew that.. Why is it irrelevant? Of that,
    99.7 percent of U.S. employer firms,
    how many employers have (1) employee?
    they provide over 60% of private sector jobs.... what difference does it make how many jobs they provide individually?

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    Quote Originally Posted by az_mike View Post
    they provide over 60% of private sector jobs.... what difference does it make how many jobs they provide individually?
    It makes no difference. But to say that
    99.7 percent of U.S. employer firms are small business is irrelevant, it's just interesting, as I said. I'm not against small business.

    Hell, it's all just numbers and they can be made to say what you want if you know how.

    Is McDonalds considered in the big business or a small business category? I'm going to ask Mike not reply on this question, at least not for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by az_mike View Post
    Check out the attached link to a non-partisan organization geared towards small business. The graphs don't lie.
    NFIB

    As an amusing antidote to that (prompting the post's "title"), the following is an excerpt from Scott Adams (of Dilbert fame). As a self-employed person himself, the article obviously shows Scott's approval of Trump, but makes some interesting observations about REAL presidential approval polls. (so don't just knee-jerk dismiss Jim and cvx) Enjoy!


    President Trump Earns the Highest Presidential Approval Level of All Time by Scott Adams
    Posted January 9, 2018

    The Small Business Optimism Index hit an all-time high. That’s the new Presidential Approval Poll.

    In olden days (pre-2016), candidates for president were not so different from each other. I can remember pundits complaining endlessly about how similar the Democrats and Republicans had become. In that environment, you can easily imagine someone who voted for Candidate A warming up to Candidate B. In those simpler times, a presidential approval poll meant something.
    Today, a “presidential approval poll” is little more than taking attendance. If you’re a Democrat, you disapprove of President Trump as a lifestyle choice. If you voted for Trump, you probably still approve of him because you knew exactly what you were getting. And if you are an anti-Trump conservative, you allow cognitive dissonance to rule your brain and you say he’s doing a good job but you disapprove of him anyway. David Brooks accidentally described this phenomenon in this article.

    I contend that business optimism — and small business optimism in particular — are the new standard for presidential approval because “economics” captures most of what a president influences.

    If a president starts a war, or threatens to start one, the economy flinches.

    If a president starts a trade war, or threatens one, the economy flinches.

    If a president is tearing apart the fabric of civilization in one way or another, the economy collapses.

    If a big terror attack succeeds on the homeland, the economy flinches.

    If immigration is allowed in large numbers, the economy feels it.

    I could go on. The point is that all of the “big” issues directly influence the economy via their impact on our psychology and our resources. In a free, capitalist country, “the economy” captures all the goodness and badness of a presidency without really trying. And the measure that best reflects the future of the economy, in my opinion, is small business optimism.

    Big businesses can do fine with a president who promotes policies that favor big corporations, even if the rest of the country is suffering. But when small business owners are feeling good about the economy, that means the president is doing a more bottoms-up job of getting things right. President Trump has focused on bottoms-up economics from the start, meaning jobs and lessened regulations. Apparently that is working.

    I have been telling you for two years straight that psychology drives the economy, and that a Master Persuader such as President Trump can directly influence psychology and optimism. We see him doing that right before our eyes."


    Mike, I think you want to believe what you see, but don't. At the very beginning of your post it describes NFIB as unbiased. The hell they aren't biased. It's a political Action Committee.
    See how much they contribute to Democrats and see how much to Republicans. Does that appear unbiased?

    http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacg...cmte=C00101105

    Total Contributions from this PAC to federal candidates
    (6% to Democrats, 94% to Republicans)
    $164,557


    In your survey, you post, "I contend that business optimism — and small business optimism in particular — are the new standard for presidential approval because “economics” captures most of what a president influences."

    My question is, what difference does it make what the approval ratings is among business? (Even if the survey was unbiased, which it is not) What is important is what the American people think, and not business. Business doesn't vote.

    All other surveys show that Trumps approval is horrible, as it should be. The only poll that has a favorable rating would be the White House Staff maybe, and I'm not sure about even them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimsplace View Post
    Mike, I think you want to believe what you see, but don't. At the very beginning of your post it describes NFIB as unbiased. The hell they aren't biased. It's a political Action Committee.
    See how much they contribute to Democrats and see how much to Republicans. Does that appear unbiased?

    National Federation of Independent Business Contributions to Federal Candidates, 2018 cycle | OpenSecrets

    Total Contributions from this PAC to federal candidates
    (6% to Democrats, 94% to Republicans)
    $164,557


    In your survey, you post, "I contend that business optimism — and small business optimism in particular — are the new standard for presidential approval because “economics” captures most of what a president influences."

    My question is, what difference does it make what the approval ratings is among business? (Even if the survey was unbiased, which it is not) What is important is what the American people think, and not business. Business doesn't vote.

    All other surveys show that Trumps approval is horrible, as it should be. The only poll that has a favorable rating would be the White House Staff maybe, and I'm not sure about even them.
    As was said (not by me but I agree), democrats will oppose Trump simply because it is a lifestyle choice regardless of how their personal pockets are lined (keep telling yourself this year’s dividends are because of Obama). The importance of business approval is that it is based on BUSINESS...not politics or personal vendettas.

    you implied that a lot of start up businesses go bankrupt as a supposed dismissal of their importance in the employment of Americans. Even with those that fail, enough succeed (I’m on my 16th year) that they employ overall together more of the workforce than big business. If they are a group of 10 employing 100 each or a group of 100 employing 10, it is the same impact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by az_mike View Post
    they provide over 60% of private sector jobs.... what difference does it make how many jobs they provide individually?
    I don't know why you would even debate anything business related with Jughead. He hasn't a clue how business works. He's a taker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimsplace View Post
    You may provide it, but it is largely just interesting, and highly irrelevant and misleading. According to Bloomberg 8 out of 10 entrepreneurs who start businesses fail within the first 18 months. A whopping 80% crash and burn, but I'm sure you already knew that.. Why is it irrelevant? Of that,
    99.7 percent of U.S. employer firms,
    how many employers have (1) employee?
    "Highly irrelevant and misleading"???? Small Businesses employ the majority of our work force (53% vs 38%), they are the backbone of our Nation...and "they" just gave their highest Optimism Rating EVER to President Trump......that is why.

    BTW, the "start up" failures you point are what's totally irrelevant to the OP's point and of NO reflection whatsoever on Trump's accomplishments/successes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cvxjet View Post
    Trump also has the highest approval rating by the Russian government- including Putin!

    I guess this is great if you think (Like the GOP and New "Conservatives") that corporations are people, too! (Voter rights for corporations- Yeah!) They are definitely more important.....

    "People must sacrifice to help out poor corporations in this country- Pay more, get less- don't complain! This will help out what is really important Multi-national corporations!"




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    Like I've said in the past, I'm not a huge Trump fan, but I know we're gearing up to move some businesses back to the US, we've been hiring like crazy, my 401K and investments are doing great, and my son and his team are kind of bored, which is a good thing (can't tell you what he does). That is much better than Hildabeast would have done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    Like I've said in the past, I'm not a huge Trump fan,....
    Trump election is more about the "movement" than the man. I am a HUGE FAN of this movement that has derailed the establishment's status quo and is invoking a "reset" on our economy, foreign affairs, borders, as well as setting our values and priorities back in order. Of course I realize the "Left" has opposite priorities and objectives, and are unwilling to acknowledge and embrace these early achievements, but stopping the "runaway" Liberal agendas is "sweet icing on the cake".



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