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    Just learned how the electoral college elects the president and not the people at the poles on election day? If I'm in Havi who would be my local state representative?
    *&^% guess I'm just learning how to vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HavaPaul View Post
    Just learned how the electoral college elects the president and not the people at the poles on election day? If I'm in Havi who would be my local state representative?
    *&^% guess I'm just learning how to vote.
    It use to be this stuff was taught in school. Its amazing how many people truely have no clue how the election process truely works. There are alot of people in this country that would benefit greatly by the initiative you took in educating yourself. Technically those electoral votes do not have to go the way of the popular vote, but they rarely go the opposite direction of the popular vote for the particular region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redneckcharlie View Post
    It use to be this stuff was taught in school. Its amazing how many people truely have no clue how the election process truely works. There are alot of people in this country that would benefit greatly by the initiative you took in educating yourself. Technically those electoral votes do not have to go the way of the popular vote, but they rarely go the opposite direction of the popular vote for the particular region.
    And, if memory from HS Government class is correct, thast varies by each state's laws regarding their electors.

    Some states it is an "all or nothing" vote, winner of the electors gets all electors.
    Some states split it by percentage, candidate with 75% of the vote (for example), gets 75% of the electors.
    And yes, nothing guarantees the electors vote for the state winner, it just normally happens that way.

    Bad part is, some of this may have changed since I was 17 in H.S. in 1984, 25 years ago.
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    ACORN will distribute the electoral votes accordingly......
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    You are correct, HavaPaul. Each of the 50 states votes. The reasoning behind this is that if a state like CA had 100% turnout (highly unlikely, I know, but hear me out), all the other states would be outvoted if we lived in a democracy. We don't live in a democracy, we live in a republic. The founding fathers were very careful to add this electoral college into the designs of our government. It's sole responsiblity is to protect the smaller populated states.

    Many conservative minded people voice their desires to go back to our countries roots, protect the Constitution, etc, yet say this idea of the electoral college is outdated. I would beg to differ. I think it's just as timely now as it was then. If we went to a direct democracy to elect the president, companies like ACORN would "get out the vote" even more in places like CA and NY and FL and could even try to discourage people in the midwest and mountain states from voting. Those states would be totally worthless to a potential nominee/president.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angiebaby View Post
    You are correct, HavaPaul. Each of the 50 states votes. The reasoning behind this is that if a state like CA had 100% turnout (highly unlikely, I know, but hear me out), all the other states would be outvoted if we lived in a democracy. We don't live in a democracy, we live in a republic. The founding fathers were very careful to add this electoral college into the designs of our government. It's sole responsiblity is to protect the smaller populated states.

    Many conservative minded people voice their desires to go back to our countries roots, protect the Constitution, etc, yet say this idea of the electoral college is outdated. I would beg to differ. I think it's just as timely now as it was then. If we went to a direct democracy to elect the president, companies like ACORN would "get out the vote" even more in places like CA and NY and FL and could even try to discourage people in the midwest and mountain states from voting. Those states would be totally worthless to a potential nominee/president.


    Thanks for pointing that out, I think many don't realize that point or have forgotten it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angiebaby View Post
    You are correct, HavaPaul. Each of the 50 states votes. The reasoning behind this is that if a state like CA had 100% turnout (highly unlikely, I know, but hear me out), all the other states would be outvoted if we lived in a democracy. We don't live in a democracy, we live in a republic. The founding fathers were very careful to add this electoral college into the designs of our government. It's sole responsiblity is to protect the smaller populated states.

    Many conservative minded people voice their desires to go back to our countries roots, protect the Constitution, etc, yet say this idea of the electoral college is outdated. I would beg to differ. I think it's just as timely now as it was then. If we went to a direct democracy to elect the president, companies like ACORN would "get out the vote" even more in places like CA and NY and FL and could even try to discourage people in the midwest and mountain states from voting. Those states would be totally worthless to a potential nominee/president.


    And if the Black Panthers showed up here it would interesting to say the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schi-502 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schi-502 View Post
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    And if the Black Panthers showed up here it would interesting to say the least.
    Interesting here also. Many folks with a rifle hanging in their back window!
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    Yes, we are a representative republic. Not a democracy. According to the CIA World Factbook site we are a Constitution-based federal republic.

    The founding father's implemented the electoral college due to their belief that the uninformed uneducated general populace may not always make the right decision (you know, popularity vs. competence or something like that) and this was a mechanism to combat that. As some have pointed out with many states setting up for their electoral to go along with their popular vote that effect is somewhat diminished.

    For more info

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)

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    Quote Originally Posted by angiebaby View Post
    You are correct, HavaPaul. Each of the 50 states votes. The reasoning behind this is that if a state like CA had 100% turnout (highly unlikely, I know, but hear me out), all the other states would be outvoted if we lived in a democracy. We don't live in a democracy, we live in a republic. The founding fathers were very careful to add this electoral college into the designs of our government. It's sole responsiblity is to protect the smaller populated states.

    Many conservative minded people voice their desires to go back to our countries roots, protect the Constitution, etc, yet say this idea of the electoral college is outdated. I would beg to differ. I think it's just as timely now as it was then. If we went to a direct democracy to elect the president, companies like ACORN would "get out the vote" even more in places like CA and NY and FL and could even try to discourage people in the midwest and mountain states from voting. Those states would be totally worthless to a potential nominee/president.
    Great post and simplified explanation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forkin' Crazy View Post
    Interesting here also. Many folks with a rifle hanging in their back window!
    We seem to have very little Black Panther trouble here either (although I know some farmers gunning for Cougars out west).
    DWP says none in Ks, several people claim to have seen them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokinLowriderSS View Post
    We seem to have very little Black Panther trouble here either (although I know some farmers gunning for Cougars out west).
    DWP says none in Ks, several people claim to have seen them.
    We had several members of the "memphis" mob here in the last few months. They've decided to get out of dodge so to speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redneckcharlie View Post
    We had several members of the "memphis" mob here in the last few months. They've decided to get out of dodge so to speak.
    Probably "healthier".
    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
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