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    Default Russias new stealth fighter the Pak-FA

    Not quite a plane yet, but showing much more lethality potential than Chinas laughable entry.

    Meet the newest Russian super fighter- thing is we cant laugh off the need for the F22's capability.

    These guys are competent, and skilled.

    This is a threat folks- and you can bet they'll likely sell them.

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    Sukhoi PAK FA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Pretty interesting how far aviation has advanced from the Me262,P59,and the Meteor.

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    UD the Russians are Chess Players and very competent in all aerospace disciplines, this is very dangerous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ram78d10 View Post
    Sukhoi PAK FA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Pretty interesting how far aviation has advanced from the Me262,P59,and the Meteor.
    Yes it has.

    I usually get my military data from FAS org.

    Wiki is suprisingly good at quickie info on most things but the detail is almost always lacking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveone View Post
    UD the Russians are Chess Players and very competent in all aerospace disciplines, this is very dangerous.
    Yeah I agree.

    These are clever resourceful people no doubt.
    What they cant build they are incredibly adept at stealing, and possessing of enormous resources the Russians are a force to be reckoned with.

    So far they have lacked the ability to fuse sensors with the planes infrastructure, and write the complicated code that tallows the PAK to act like an F22 emulating a rivet joint.

    They are making the choice of absolute maneuverability over absolute stealth- the exact opposite of an F22's compromises- smart. Its also bigger and carries more and has a longer range- well ....well see.

    we also need to see sustained supercruise without afterburner etc.

    This isnt a real plane yet, but they are getting there, and unlike the Chinese or the arabs- these guys know how to fly.

    Good for us half their shit is pointed at china.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Dave View Post
    Yes it has.

    I usually get my military data from FAS org.

    Wiki is suprisingly good at quickie info on most things but the detail is almost always lacking.
    Your right about wikipedia. I like Janes myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ram78d10 View Post
    Your right about wikipedia. I like Janes myself.
    Janes is absolutely awesome, but you pretty much need a subscription to get any real data.


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    I have a 74 page .pdf file, in a presentation format on this aircraft (Unclassified). The first flight was over a year ago.

    The best part is on slide 69, imo. Where you can see several US model mock ups, including the b-2, f-22, f-117, NASA research planes, the BQM-74 (i think) and other planes.

    Here is the summary:

    Implications of the Debut of PAK-FA
    • Clearly the PAK-FA aircraft has been designed with a clear
    understanding of the effects of low-observability on air
    combat when both sides have such aircraft
    • PAK-FA houses a large internal weapon bay:
    – Larger internal carriage of LRAAMs and MRAAMs
    – Up to eight R-77s and two R-74 AAMs
    – Air-to-surface missile carriage for the ARMs, ASMs and ASMs
    • Obviously, the combatants will be closer when their radar
    sensors detect the other side, so close in fact that the Infra-
    Red Scan and Track (IRST) might be the first sensor to detect
    the presence of an enemy aircraft
    – PAK-FA has IRST capability while the F-22A does not
    • Extreme agility of the PAK-FA could in a ‘knife fight’ potentially
    out-maneuver the F-22A in such an engagement
    – Sukhoi has extensive experience in designing aircraft that operate
    at high angles of attack (AoA) as demonstrated by various members
    of the Su-27/-35 family
    72

    Here's another interesting slide:

    Features of the Sukhoi T-50/PAK-FA
    Seen on Russian Web Sites Since DEC 09
    • Hope for 10-15% PAK-FA advantage over F-22 Raptor due to two decades of technology development
    • F-22 Raptor detects Su-35 from the distance of 150-180 km but can open fire from 110 km, while becomes
    visible for Su-35's radar by itself and on R-77 range of attack
    • OLS-35 probably detects F-22 Raptor on 100 km distance
    – OLS with 360 deg
    • PAK-FA's AESA radar has probably 1,526 modules with overall power 18 KWt
    – Range for a big air target – 400 (TWS/A = 60/16)
    • Active antennas in the wings and tail are probable
    • Backward attacking missiles
    • Has up to 12 air-to-air missiles (if compact) in internal placement
    • Two internal bays for WLRAAMs and LRAAMs up to 700 kg each + 2 bays for short range missiles
    • While F-22 Raptor can have up to 8 missiles in the internal bays
    • WLRAAM 'Izdelie 810' is MiG-31 R-33 derivative with range of 400 km
    • LRAAM 'Izdelie-180PD' is air-breath R-77 derivative with a range of 250 km
    • 'Izdelie-180' – solid-fuel R-77 derivative with a range of 110-140 km with active/passive radar and homing on
    jammer
    • Short range AAM – 'Izdelie-300' or K-MD IR matrix, double range of homing
    • Kh-58UShKE internal weapon bay ARM and Kh-35 internal weapon bay ASM can be carried
    • 500 kg guided and unguided bombs and/or sub-munition payloads
    • Intra-fuselage catapults
    – UVKU-50L – up to 300 kg; UVKU-50U – up to 700 kg.
    • Internal bays total carry weight is 2,000 kg
    • With + external hardpoints carry weight is 6,000 kg
    • GSh-30 30 mm autocannon.
    • According to the plans – 430 planes must be built for Russian Air Force
    • Will replace 339 Su-27 and 300 MiG-31 fighters

    Hey Ram, I got this from wiki too. (not)
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    Unc, don’t be such an alarmist, our future is in building more prisons for the millions of upstanding illegal’s and thugs that are being propagated by the entitlement dolling out of the left…

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    I live near Luke AFB and often encounter personnel from our fighting forces. Not long ago, at Albertson's meat counter I spoke at length with a flight instructor nearing retirement who spoke of both China and Russia's Stealth fighters. He gave a rather detailed run down of their strong points just before reminding me that, given our current technology our newest flight school graduate could take their most experienced pilot out 95 out of 100 times. He then reminded me that our learning curve is so far ahead of theirs that we shouldn't lose much sleep thinking about their advancements. It wasn't arrogance as much as it was a deep rooted confidence in our military and I did, in fact sleep well that evening.
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    Doesn't the JSF have IRST? Aren't we going to buy over 2000 of them?

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    I wouldn't worry about either country , They are 20 to 30 years behind the US technology
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    Quote Originally Posted by ram78d10 View Post

    Cool, Seems the weak link is the primate on board. Totally robotic is just about here.

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