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    Why Collective Bargaining Is Bad - Howard Rich - Townhall Conservative


    "A decade ago, when our national debt stood at a “mere” $5.6 trillion, the federal government was already dramatically overpaying its employees to perform all sorts of non-core functions.
    According to the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis, compensation for the average federal position in 2000 exceeded compensation for the average private sector job by $30,415 – a sizable gap that has since exploded to $61,998. Now the average federal employee’s compensation totals $123,409 – or more than twice the average private sector salary."
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    Federal employees don't get to collectively bargain, so how does your post prove anything other than you do not understand the situation?

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    One way or another all deals with government workers need to be renegotiated. There is absolutely no way in hell these parasites should make so much more than private sector workers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ram78d10 View Post
    Federal employees don't get to collectively bargain, so how does your post prove anything other than you do not understand the situation?
    That's right. Federal employees cannot collective bargain. Infact they cannot unionize either. For the same reasons state employees should not be able to. And this is why the states are doing what they are doing. I asked this question in another thread but would like to hear the answer. Would you support legislation in states that wanted to make thier state a Right to Work State ?

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    Its not the regular employees gettin big bucks. Its the managers and upper escelon including elected officials

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveone View Post
    Now theaverage federal employee’s compensation totals $123,409 – or more than twice the average private sector salary."
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    Its not the regular employees gettin big bucks. Its the managers and upper escelon including elected officials
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    Quote Originally Posted by ram78d10 View Post
    Federal employees don't get to collectively bargain, so how does your post prove anything other than you do not understand the situation?
    Yes, the writer of that article made a mishmash of state and federal issues.
    It's up to us, the voters, to vote in people who are willing to say no, regardless of whether there is a union or not.
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    Federal pay varies greatly depending on agency and location. Some agencies workers are grossly underpaid when compared to their local private sector counterparts, while others (that in many cases should not even exist) are overpaid. The problem is not the pay and benefits of the avg federal workers, who (unlike many state and local employees) pay out of pocket for much of the cost of their benefits. The problem is the high executive pay scale that the federal bureaucrats are on and the fact that there are way too many of them, in way too many agencies.
    Steveone, I usually agree with you and disagree with Ram, but Ram is correct. Federal employees are not allowed to collective bargain, so issues involving collective bargaining have nothing to do with federal employees. Thus the point that you are making above is valid only for state and local workers.
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    Collective barganing got Calif into the finincal mess we are up to our eyeballs in now. Jerry Moonbeam started it during his first term and it went down hill from there. Since politicans have nothing to lose and everything to gain using taxpayer's money as the barganing chip and trading union votes for endorsements in the next election cycle only the taxpayer gets stuck with the finincal responsibility for eternety, long after the deal making politican has been termed out, defeated or recalled. Such was the case with Grey Davis, who BTW was Moonbean's Chief of Staff and were very close friends going back to college days and I believe were room mates in college. Davis in exchange for the Prison Guard Union's endorsement and votes, gave them a 30% wage increase in the dead of night. No legislative vote, no ballot proposition, just a giftwrapped 30% pay raise. Grey Davis is long gone and regulated to the trash heap of history where he belongs but we are stuck with the aftermath of bad deals made for endorsements, dollars and votes. So there, boys and girls is exactly why collective barganing is a bad idea for taxpayers and citizens with public service unions. On a side note look for Moonbeam to try and redeem his buddy's tarnished reputation in his third term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzMandella View Post
    Would you support legislation in states that wanted to make thier state a Right to Work State ?
    Marvin, I am a member of a labor union. Do you think I would say "yes?" For that you get two "little Marvs" instead of your usual one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eliminatedsprinter View Post
    Federal pay varies greatly depending on agency and location. Some agencies workers are grossly underpaid when compared to their local private sector counterparts, while others (that in many cases should not even exist) are overpaid. The problem is not the pay and benefits of the avg federal workers, who (unlike many state and local employees) pay out of pocket for much of the cost of their benefits. The problem is the high executive pay scale that the federal bureaucrats are on and the fact that there are way too many of them, in way too many agencies.
    Steveone, I usually agree with you and disagree with Ram, but Ram is correct. Federal employees are not allowed to collective bargain, so issues involving collective bargaining have nothing to do with federal employees. Thus the point that you are making above is valid only for state and local workers.
    Going back many many years the benefits of government employment was no layoffs, better benefit packages, secduled payraises and total job security in exchange for a slightly less pay scale than private sector jobs. Such is not the case today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBjet View Post
    It's up to us, the voters, to vote in people who are willing to say no, regardless of whether there is a union or not.
    Yes but that is very hard to do when the unions have the right to walk out on the state or a business and essentialy drive you out of business if they don't get what they want. Eventually the owner of a business or a state legislature and governor have to give in if they want to stay in business or get public services going again. then they have to raise the cost of thier products or tax's to cover it. They can only let the trash pile up so high on the streets, etc. Nothing more than legalized extorsion disguised as collective bargaining. Been there and done that. We will fire every employee and shut the business down, sell of the inventory, equipment, properties and building before we ever let the union back in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ram78d10 View Post
    Marvin, I am a member of a labor union. Do you think I would say "yes?" For that you get two "little Marvs" instead of your usual one.
    So you don't think a person should have the right to apply for a job without having to be in a union. Sorry you can't work here unless you are in the union, And if your not in the union you can't work here. Yep you talk about workers rights but only the rights under the union. I thought you were all about fairness and workers rights. Guess not when it's in your best interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 058 View Post
    Going back many many years the benefits of government employment was no layoffs, better benefit packages, secduled payraises and total job security in exchange for a slightly less pay scale than private sector jobs. Such is not the case today.
    True. In the late 90s there were federal layoffs and being politically incorrect can get you fired from the federal government now...
    Like I said, pay varies from agency to agency and there are still some agencies that pay many of their professionals less than their area's private sector piers and a lot less than their state and local gov equivalents...
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