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    U.S. Decline in Global Arena: Is America No Longer No. 1? - TIME

    Here's a good article from Time magazine that makes a lot of good points about keeping America prosperous.

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    Only four months ago, the Simpson-Bowles commission presented a series of highly intelligent solutions to our fiscal problems, proposing $4 trillion in savings, mostly through cuts in programs but also through some tax increases. They have been forgotten by both parties, in particular the Republicans, whose leading budgetary spokesman, Paul Ryan, praises the commission in the abstract even though he voted against its recommendations.
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    Education? Well it is so dummed down (too many irresponsible parents) so the unlearned will pass, the smart ones don't excel.

    Yea, and we need to be more like Europe.... blah, blah, blah....


    When Franklin Roosevelt launched the New Deal, he spoke of the need for "bold, persistent experimentation," and he shut down programs when it was clear they didn't work.




    It says to do away with subsidies (fine by me) but it fails to mention subsidies that are given to minorities and other special interest groups. I mean NASA can't even get a satellite into orbit. All or none.

    And why, near the end of this article, do I get a sense that the author may believe that the U.S Constitution is a living, breathing document?
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    As long as the proponents of socialism don't succeed at completely watering down the American Dream there will always be opportunity and those with the guts, drive and determination to find it.
    Sadly, there will never be a shortage of lackeys, either. That has been true for well over two thousand years according to Matt 26:11. I don't see that changing any time soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forkin' Crazy View Post
    I mean NASA can't even get a satellite into orbit.
    Perhaps splitting hairs here, but that launch failure was NOT a NASA failure. The launch vehicle was provided by Orbital Sciences Corporation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forkin' Crazy View Post
    It says to do away with subsidies (fine by me) but it fails to mention subsidies that are given to minorities and other special interest groups. I mean NASA can't even get a satellite into orbit. All or none.
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    Perhaps splitting hairs here, but that launch failure was NOT a NASA failure. The launch vehicle was provided by Orbital Sciences Corporation.
    I wouldn't call NASA a special interest group either, they are a federal agency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forkin' Crazy View Post
    Yea, and we need to be more like Europe.... blah, blah, blah....
    I don't think the article is saying we need to be more like Europe. It is saying we need to be willing to evavuate the way we do things with how the rest of the world does things, and adjust our ways to remain competative. The problem is that too many Americans embrace the idea that America is the best at everything, and while we certainly do excel in many areas, we are just as certainly not the best at everything. As I see it, the article is warning us that we need to wake up and lose the arrogance that we are superior in all things or we will indeed be passed by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havasu Dreamin View Post
    Perhaps splitting hairs here, but that launch failure was NOT a NASA failure. The launch vehicle was provided by Orbital Sciences Corporation.
    I hear ya, but this is the second one in a row, is it not? I wonder if they have a guarantee?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ram78d10 View Post
    I don't think the article is saying we need to be more like Europe. It is saying we need to be willing to evavuate the way we do things with how the rest of the world does things, and adjust our ways to remain competative. The problem is that too many Americans embrace the idea that America is the best at everything, and while we certainly do excel in many areas, we are just as certainly not the best at everything. As I see it, the article is warning us that we need to wake up and lose the arrogance that we are superior in all things or we will indeed be passed by.
    It sure gives reference to several European countries. We were first, but thanks to huge prices for oil and the lack of drilling here - putting our own to work doing it... along with the EPA and Union strangle holds on businesses we are not now. Unless those issues AND some kind of spending cap on the gov is issued, we will continue going down hill IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ram78d10 View Post
    I don't think the article is saying we need to be more like Europe. It is saying we need to be willing to evavuate the way we do things with how the rest of the world does things, and adjust our ways to remain competative. The problem is that too many Americans embrace the idea that America is the best at everything, and while we certainly do excel in many areas, we are just as certainly not the best at everything. As I see it, the article is warning us that we need to wake up and lose the arrogance that we are superior in all things or we will indeed be passed by.
    We would be if government would just get the hell out of the way and let hard working Americans get back to work doing what they do best without government, unions and people who know nothing stand in their way..
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    Quote Originally Posted by 058 View Post
    We would be if government would just get the hell out of the way and let hard working Americans get back to work doing what they do best without government, unions and people who know nothing stand in their way..

    Nope, We peaked as the top society in the world of the 1950s.
    The lack of cultural unity is why we will continue to lose ground. We are too big, too diversified, to extended, and to economically unbalanced.
    We face strong lean hungry intelligent competitors globally like never before.
    We are sinking star, no longer a rising star. This is normal in the ebb and flow of humanity / empires.
    This does not mean we are doomed. It just means we have slipped from our former greatness and will probably not get back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombie View Post
    Nope, We peaked as the top society in the world of the 1950s.
    The lack of cultural unity is why we will continue to lose ground. We are too big, too diversified, to extended, and to economically unbalanced.
    We face strong lean hungry intelligent competitors globally like never before.
    We are sinking star, no longer a rising star. This is normal in the ebb and flow of humanity / empires.
    This does not mean we are doomed. It just means we have slipped from our former greatness and will probably not get back.
    Since WWll, the filthy Democrats have been giving this Country away lock,Stock and Barrel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zombie View Post
    Nope, We peaked as the top society in the world of the 1950s.
    The lack of cultural unity is why we will continue to lose ground. We are too big, too diversified, to extended, and to economically unbalanced.
    We face strong lean hungry intelligent competitors globally like never before.
    We are sinking star, no longer a rising star. This is normal in the ebb and flow of humanity / empires.
    This does not mean we are doomed. It just means we have slipped from our former greatness and will probably not get back.
    Glad you opened this door.....It is the so-called P/C diversity that is killing us. More political correctness and fear of offending another "community" because of everyone hangs on to their own culture and old world lifestyle. We have become a society of hyphenated Americans. There is no more just plain AMERICANS. The old phrase "Divided we Fall" comes to mind here and the Libs are at the forefront of dividing us into nice neat little communities that makes their job and goals easier. There is the "black" community, there is the "hispanic" community, there is the gay/lesbian community, there is the native American community.....all neatly divided, packaged and identified for ease of manulipation pitting one against another so that we become divided and easlier conquerable. The nation that survives is one that is of one people. Sadly we have strayed far from "One Nation, One People"
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    Quote Originally Posted by 058 View Post
    Glad you opened this door.....It is the so-called P/C diversity that is killing us. More political correctness and fear of offending another "community" because of everyone hangs on to their own culture and old world lifestyle. We have become a society of hyphenated Americans. There is no more just plain AMERICANS. The old phrase "Divided we Fall" comes to mind here and the Libs are at the forefront of dividing us into nice neat little communities that makes their job and goals easier. There is the "black" community, there is the "hispanic" community, there is the gay/lesbian community, there is the native American community.....all neatly divided, packaged and identified for ease of manulipation pitting one against another so that we become divided and easlier conquerable. The nation that survives is one that is of one people. Sadly we have strayed far from "One Nation, One People"
    And here is the way to do it right here:

    Eight Steps To Destroy America
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    We all know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context, his thoughts are particularly poignant.

    Last week there was an immigration-overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of American's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor named Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, Mexifornia, explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal - was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.

    Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time.

    Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'"

    "Here is how they do it," Lamm said: (First) ;"Turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bi-cultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.

    "The historical scholar Seymour Lipset put it this way: 'The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.' Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans."

    Lamm went on: (Second "Invent 'multi-culturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

    "We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. (Third The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multi-cultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony.

    Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentrically and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.'" Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural sub-groups living in America reinforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

    "Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."

    "My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.'
    I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."

    "My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other."

    "A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy Persia threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and
    geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'unum,' we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

    "Next to last, (Seventh I would place all subjects off limits ~ make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate."

    "Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' (Eighth I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America , it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant sympatric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

    In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."

    There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Every discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing
    as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America - take note of California and other states - to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."

    Governor Lamm, walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream.
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