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    One President thought so.
    Why taxes can be patriotic - CNN.com

    Seems a little different than the "I don't want to pay tax and cut every program that doesn't personally benifit me" ideology of the Tea Party doesn't it? Lets look at this: When the idea that paying taxes was patriotic, America was just beginning its time of being the leader of the world. While the current Tea Party ideology is gaining popularity, you can make the argument that America's time in the world's drivers seat is coming to an end. Coincidence?
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    IMO I think the Tea Party's biggest concern is all of the wasteful spending that occurs with our tax money. Of course when politicians start screaming about making cuts they always talk Police fire and Schools....because that strikes a nerve with the public that bolsters the liberal position...when in reality cuts can and should be made in many other areas prior to thwe above metentioned areas. A perfect example is in Arizona. In 2006 when cash was rolling in....Napolitan pushed for and acheived "all day kindergarten"....now that there is no dough for the program....libs scream about cutting our kids education....when it was never about educating 5 years olds.....it was about free day care.

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    You know RAMBUT. I pay right at 50 % in taxes on my wages. That is just fed, state and SS. That does not include all of the other taxes I pay for the honor of being self employed. I feel that is a bit much. Do you know if I get hurt there is no welfare for me. If I get hurt there is no state disability for me. If I lose my business no unemployment. No food stamps for me or any other Goberment aid that a wetback or any of these others POS that come here that never worked a day here in the states can get. What is wrong with that picture.
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    Good article. Think of it this way. It is considered patriotic to join the military and go fight a war supposedly for the overall benefit of our nation. So why would it not be patriotic to pay taxes to fight that war and fund other things deemed by our leaders for the overall benefit of the nation??
    So yes, paying taxes is in fact a patriotic activity. Teabaggers who claim to be "Patriots" do not want to pay so much. They need to quit claiming to be 'Patriots'. "Tax Cheapskates" is a better term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ram78d10 View Post
    One President thought so.
    Why taxes can be patriotic - CNN.com

    Seems a little different than the "I don't want to pay tax and cut every program that doesn't personally benifit me" ideology of the Tea Party doesn't it? Lets look at this: When the idea that paying taxes was patriotic, America was just beginning its time of being the leader of the world. While the current Tea Party ideology is gaining popularity, you can make the argument that America's time in the world's drivers seat is coming to an end. Coincidence?
    I wish I had the 30 seconds of my life back that was spent reading your drivel...


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    Quote Originally Posted by EVILFORCE View Post
    You know RAMBUT. I pay right at 50 % in taxes on my wages. That is just fed, state and SS. That does not include all of the other taxes I pay for the honor of being self employed. I feel that is a bit much. Do you know if I get hurt there is no welfare for me. If I get hurt there is no state disability for me. If I lose my business no unemployment. No food stamps for me or any other Goberment aid that a wetback or any of these others POS that come here that never worked a day here in the states can get. What is wrong with that picture.

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    Notice the unionite unemployed school boy and the other employed by tax dollars are the only ones to post in agreement. LMAO!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EVILFORCE View Post
    That does not include all of the other taxes I pay for the honor of being self employed. Do you know if I get hurt there is no welfare for me. If I get hurt there is no state disability for me. If I lose my business no unemployment.

    Seems you made that choice when you decided to go into Business for yourself. Otherwise maybe you should get a job working for someone else and then it would not be a problem. I was in the Marine industry for almost 20 years, and all I ever heard from most of the owners was poor me, I pay all those taxes and can barely keep my business open; Then they take off in their twin engine airplane for a couple weeks in Havasu and staying in their second home and play with their big expensive boat, or cruiser around town in their high dollar hotrods, or buy some lavish motor home to tow their just as lavish toy hauler that houses more toys. I have never met anyone who owns a business say they are making money, they all claim they are just keeping their head above water. And donít point to the current times, everyone is struggling so donít feel like the Lone ranger. I saw lots of people who owned construction companies coming in with lots of cash in the early/mid 2000ís to purchase new boats when they should have been saving some of it for lean times. As for taxes, you will also pay more, it comes with the territory. When you start a business you take on risk. That includes the possibility of the business failing. It happens, just about anybody can start a business and make money in good times, itís when things get tuff you see who was the smart one and who spent all their money thinking it was never going to end. If there was no risk and you paid less or no taxes then everyone would want to start their own company, but thatís not how it works. So again, if you donít like it, close the business and go to work for someone else, donít bitch about it, you made the choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ram78d10 View Post
    One President thought so.
    Why taxes can be patriotic - CNN.com

    Seems a little different than the "I don't want to pay tax and cut every program that doesn't personally benifit me" ideology of the Tea Party doesn't it? Lets look at this: When the idea that paying taxes was patriotic, America was just beginning its time of being the leader of the world. While the current Tea Party ideology is gaining popularity, you can make the argument that America's time in the world's drivers seat is coming to an end. Coincidence?
    Is that what they are for? No taxes? I thought "TEA" was an acronym for "Taxed Enough Already", not "we don't want to pay any taxes".

    Good try I guess. Typical lib, making up things as we go.

    And the libs love FDR. After all he is only second to Bobo being responsible to government growth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EVILFORCE View Post
    You know RAMBUT. I pay right at 50 % in taxes on my wages. That is just fed, state and SS. That does not include all of the other taxes I pay for the honor of being self employed. I feel that is a bit much.
    Before I went back to school, I was only taking home half of my paycheck also, so high tax rates are not just paid by business owners. What are your thoughts on the idea from the article: in a country like America, nobody got rich on his own. The wealthy prospered not only because of their own efforts, but because they were protected by the government and the legal system and could draw on an educated workforce? I think there is a lot of merit to this idea. Surely you agree that living in America has given you opportunities for success that you would not have enjoyed if you had not lived here. The mere fact that you even earn the income you do is directly dependant upon having the freedoms you have here in America. That is one of the reasons I don't see a problem with higher tax rates for people that earn more. I always saw paying taxes as the price I had to pay for the opportunities that I had, and knew that paying taxes helped ensure that the opportunities I had would continue to be there.
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    Do you know if I get hurt there is no welfare for me. If I get hurt there is no state disability for me. If I lose my business no unemployment. No food stamps for me or any other Goberment aid that a wetback or any of these others POS that come here that never worked a day here in the states can get. What is wrong with that picture.
    You would be eligible for all these benefits if you were a salaried employee on your companies payroll, wouldn't you? I don't think most Americans approve of wetbacks and people that never worked here getting the free benefits offered in this country. I know I don't. Unfortunately, our government officials (from both parties) do not seem to worried about the drain that non productive immigrants have on our society. Maybe if the government refused to support the nonproductive immigrants they would stop coming here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ram78d10 View Post
    Before I went back to school, I was only taking home half of my paycheck also
    To taxes only? How much in union dues?

    Quote Originally Posted by ram78d10 View Post
    I don't think most Americans approve of wetbacks and people that never worked here getting the free benefits offered in this country. I know I don't.Unfortunately, our government officials (from both parties) do not seem to worried about the drain that non productive immigrants have on our society. Maybe if the government refused to support the nonproductive immigrants they would stop coming here.
    It's not only illegals (being PC here )but generations of peeps "trapped" (they really don't want out either) in the system that are just plain lazy.

    I agree on that last thought. You are dead on with that one!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forkin' Crazy View Post
    To taxes only? How much in union dues?
    Yes, from taxes only on my hourly wages. Only about 55% of my total compensation package was on my paycheck. I never saw the rest (the money for pension, medical, vacation, supplemental dues). Anything not on my check was paid directly from the employer to the union. Supplemental dues was $1.25 an hour and I also have to pay regular dues that is $320 a year that comes out of my pocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forkin' Crazy View Post
    It's not only illegals (being PC here )but generations of peeps "trapped" (they really don't want out either) in the system that are just plain lazy.
    I think welfare needs to be reformed, and this is how I would reform it: I've always thought it would be a good idea if there were government work camps for people on welfare, kind of like the company towns from years ago. These people could do manual labor, maintenance of public facilities, etc. The would be provided some basic housing, meals, clothes, and medical. Maybe even pay them a small wage like $1 an hour. The women would be put on mandatory birth control. There would be programs at night for basic education and job training and people would be free to walk away from the program anytime they wanted. But they would not get shit if they were not in the program and didn't work, of course I am only talking about the people physically able to work. Hell, the government could even contract with private businesses that needed unskilled labor to provide welfare workers. I know it wont happen, but I always thought it would be a good idea.

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    Yea, good ideas aren't always accepted with open arms.

    Like drug testing welfare or SSI recipients.
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