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Capitalist Fascists vs Capitalist Socialists

Looks like the greedy billionaires are going to fight it out for world economic domination.

Looming Soros Conference Will Focus on Rearranging Global ‘Financial Order’

Originally Posted by SBjet

Well now I've seen everything! You linked to a born again Christian site. So Z, are you rapture ready?

Ready as I'll ever be...

Originally Posted by eliminatedsprinter

Capitolist Socialists???? Are you referring to Corporatists (aka Corporate Socialists) or "State Socialism" (which is nothing but a nice modern name for Fascism or National Socialism minus the anti-semetic twist)???

Did you make up the terms Capitolist Fascist and Capitolist Socialist??
The fact that there are corrupt super rich fat cats and corporations in the world, who would use the power of government for their own self intrest, is the main reason that the power of government needs to be strictly limited.
We have all heard of the concept of a seperation of church and state. I think it is just as important for a free society to have a wall of seperation between it's means of production and state...

Of course!!! And I knew I would hear about it from you

The point is, as you said, the people with the wealth will call the shots to their benefit no matter what the political or economic system is. Always have and always will.
Right now it is the socialist Soros types vs the capitalist Koch brother types battling for their version of world economic design.
How will we common people fare under either system or combination thereof is too be seen.
There is a lot of pressure, so something is going to happen one way or the other.

BTW, I do not think government is ever going to become smaller to any large degree.

Originally Posted by zombie

Of course!!! And I knew I would hear about it from you

The point is, as you said, the people with the wealth will call the shots to their benefit no matter what the political or economic system is. Always have and always will.
Right now it is the socialist Soros types vs the capitalist Koch brother types battling for their version of world economic design.
How will we common people fare under either system or combination thereof is too be seen.
There is a lot of pressure, so something is going to happen one way or the other.

BTW, I do not think government is ever going to become smaller to any large degree.

Well there are 3 other countries you can look at to see how the Soro's model worked. We are the 4th country on his list to bankrupt. So I would say we would be better under the Koch brothers model of capitolism rather than Soro's model of socialist bankruptcy.

Originally Posted by AzMandella

Well there are 3 other countries you can look at to see how the Soro's model worked. We are the 4th country on his list to bankrupt. So I would say we would be better under the Koch brothers model of capitolism rather than Soro's model of socialist bankruptcy.

Could be....
BUT the Chinese model we consumers are all feeding, is based upon nearly slave wages. It seems to be the strongest economic system currently. Anyone volunteering to be a near slave for the good of the American economy? Weakening unions is a step in that direction though .... Think about how the Koch Bros want that to happen

Originally Posted by zombie

Could be....
BUT the Chinese model we consumers are all feeding, is based upon nearly slave wages. It seems to be the strongest economic system currently. Anyone volunteering to be a near slave for the good of the American economy? Weakening unions is a step in that direction though .... Think about how the Koch Bros want that to happen

If you believe unions keep the middleclass the middleclass you are nuts. The middleclass makes up about 90% of the workforce. Yet the unions are less than 10% of all the working class. that means 90+% of the middleclass is doing so without any union help. So by your way of thinking the middleclass makes up only 10% of the workforce. Wrong. Just look at Az. we are a right to work state and are in far better shape than most of the states that are not right to work states. You live with the premise that if the unions dissapear everybody will be reduced to minimum wage. It has not gone that way in the 50% of states that are right to work now has it ?

Originally Posted by AzMandella

If you believe unions keep the middleclass the middleclass you are nuts.

Are you talking about unions that help their members get better pay and benefits, while making sure they are treated fairly? Yeah, that wouldn't help the middle class. We should do away with unions so there is no one to fight for better benefits and higher wages for the working class. If you cut compensation, the companies would make so much more profit, which would make the owners of the company that much richer. And if the rich people are richer, all that money trickles down to the peons, just like in the theory of trickle down economics. That would make the middle class so much stronger. (In case you counldn't detect the sarcasm, I was trying to lay it on pretty thick)

Originally Posted by ram78d10

Are you talking about unions that help their members get better pay and benefits, while making sure they are treated fairly? Yeah, that wouldn't help the middle class. We should do away with unions so there is no one to fight for better benefits and higher wages for the working class. If you cut compensation, the companies would make so much more profit, which would make the owners of the company that much richer. And if the rich people are richer, all that money trickles down to the peons, just like in the theory of trickle down economics. That would make the middle class so much stronger. (In case you counldn't detect the sarcasm, I was trying to lay it on pretty thick)

You seem to miss the point. How is it that 90% of the middle class is the middle class without union representation ? Seems that the unions make up such a small % of the workforce yet you actually believe they help the other 90% ?

Originally Posted by AzMandella

You seem to miss the point. How is it that 90% of the middle class is the middle class without union representation ? Seems that the unions make up such a small % of the workforce yet you actually believe they help the other 90% ?

Let me ask you this: as union membership increased in the 20th century, did the middle class become bigger, or smaller? As union membership has decreased over the last 30 years, has the middle class gotten wealthier, or not?