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    Quote Originally Posted by gn7 View Post
    I hope your high school government teacher lost her job for being inept, or for giving you a passing grade. possibly both. My worse fear is, there are millions of you out there armed with a vote. God help us. Its obvious we need it.
    It just now dawned on me. All you tea baggers are deviants. That explains your behavior perfectly. You guys are different. Normal people believe President Obama was born in Hawaii; you guys don't. Normal people want our country's politicians to work together and come up with solutions for our country's problems; you guys don't; you want everything your way with no exceptions. Normal people are not revisionists of history; you guys are. Normal people prefer to see their government's policies suceed for the benefit of everyone; you guys would love to see the government's policies fail because your guy is not in the White House. Yep, deviant describes it pretty well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ram78d10 View Post
    I thought all you righties supported the Constitution? .
    What? 2 Dems call for giving democracy a time out, and that is your response?

    Quote Originally Posted by ram78d10 View Post
    Normal people want our country's politicians to work together and come up with solutions for our country's problems; you guys don't; you want everything your way with no exceptions. :
    I'll tell you what, if O proposes a balanced budget I will urge my Rep to pass it. If O doesn't propose a balanced budget, then the budget that gets passed will reflect our views.
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    I'm still chuckling at being "poo-pooed" for straying off topic. Awesome.

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    ram, your close, but missed by oh so little. Not all republicans are business men, and certainly don't own huge corporations, or are CEO's looking at the bottom line, but most of those people are republicans. Although most republicans have similar thoughts and beliefs on how the government should be run, most are only equiped with one vote and not much more. How ever, when you go out of your way to piss of the largest corporations in the country, if not the world, you need to deal with the ramifications. Your boy did some serious pissing off, and nose thumbing. He wasted a super majority on a sensless health care bill that is doomed and already half dead before arrival, when he should have used it to pass his so called super duper job bill. He could have passed that with simple up down vote and been done with it. Instead he spend 9+ months wrestling a ignorant, hated health care bill , and screamed phuck the econonmy, I want my Obama care. He made his bed, now he can sleep in it. Does the republican congressmen want O out? Hell yeah. But not nearly as much as the American business does. And they are the ones that hire people. Want to see unemployment fall like a rock. Watch what happens when is gone. Yeah, we're deviants. We deviate from the socialist, tax and spend, wealth redistribution, entitlist dimbulbs.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ram78d10 View Post
    I thought all you righties supported the Constitution? The Constitution clearly lays out the plans for a republic, not a democracy. Returning to the values layed out in the Constitution is what I continually hear the righties crying out for. Are you guys now changing your tune? You want to stray from the Constitution and want more of a democracy? Wow, Thomas Jefferson would not like that at all. You know as well as I, the people don't always make the wisest decisions, especially when they get all riled up. Any shift that leads us more towards democracy will not result in anything good for the USA.
    Dumbass, where in the constitution is a clause, provision or amendment that says incase of problems suspend all other provisions?

    "On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invent against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
    Thomas Jefferson letter to Justice William Johnson, June 12, 1823

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    Quote Originally Posted by SBjet View Post
    What? 2 Dems call for giving democracy a time out, and that is your response?



    I'll tell you what, if O proposes a balanced budget I will urge my Rep to pass it. If O doesn't propose a balanced budget, then the budget that gets passed will reflect our views.
    Obama had a bill on his desk that called for a balanced budget amendment be put on the ballot and he refused to sign it. It was in the bill to extend the FAA budget that resulted in the FAA shutting down construction and unable to collect tax from the airlines. It was right there on his desk and he chose to shut down the FAA instead. Why the hell would a socialist autocrate want a to put a constitutional amendment up to a vote. If he felt the Constitution was a vaild instrument of the government, he would just add it himself.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ram78d10 View Post
    It just now dawned on me. All you tea baggers are deviants. That explains your behavior perfectly. You guys are different. Normal people believe President Obama was born in Hawaii; you guys don't. Normal people want our country's politicians to work together and come up with solutions for our country's problems; you guys don't; you want everything your way with no exceptions. Normal people are not revisionists of history; you guys are. Normal people prefer to see their government's policies suceed for the benefit of everyone; you guys would love to see the government's policies fail because your guy is not in the White House. Yep, deviant describes it pretty well.

    Here is some history for you. Democrats want to control you but your to dumb to see it. Here is a quote from

    Revealing the Truth about the Democratic Party...Share Away


    by Frantz Emmanuel Kebreau on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 at 10:23am


    I have done extensive research on the subject because at one point, I was a Democrat. A few years ago, I was confronted with a fact that I knew to be false but after an investigation into the point, it turned out to be true. It was that Martin Luther King was a Republican.

    This of course forced me to extend my research into other areas. What else could this Political Science Major be unaware of? The Truth became stranger than fiction. The list is quite long so here we go.

    President Kennedy had little intention of enacting a Comprehensive Civil Rights Law during his 2 years in office. Tensions in society were running so high due to the riots and such that by the 1963 State of the Union address he had no other choice but to enact some kind of Law. Mind you, for the previous 100 years, it had only been the Republican Party who had supported any Civil Rights Legislations (I was not aware of these facts until I was 35 years old);

    13th Amendment: 100% Republican Support Abolished Slavery
    23% Democratic Support

    14th Amendment 94% Republican Support Slaves to be Citizens
    0% Democratic Support

    15th Amendment 100% Republican Support Right to Vote for All
    0% Democratic Support

    CRA 1866 Enacted by the Republican Party Equal Rights

    CRA 1871 Enacted by the Republican Party Anti-KKK

    CRA 1875 99% Republican Support Anti-Discrimination
    0% Democratic Support

    -----------It took another 82 years until the next Civil Rights Act---------
    -----------The Democratic Party blocked every attempt to equalize citizens of color-----

    CRA 1957 Enacted by the Eisenhower (R) Administration
    Then Senator Kennedy Voted against this Bill
    Filibustered by Democrats

    CRA 1960 Enacted by the Eisenhower (R) Administration
    The final version was watered down by then Senator LBJ
    Filibustered by the Democrats

    CRA 1964 82% Republican Support
    63% Democratic Support

    CRA 1965 87% Republican Support
    Voting Rights 75% Democratic Support

    I do not want the “government” to treat me any differently than any other citizen. Therefore, I consider equality of opportunity and equal voting rights to be the summation of Civil Rights in America. If anything extra is afforded me or anyone else merely due to the color of their skin, I consider that to be an entitlement and patronizing.

    Given my above statement, the Democratic Party, even if you sectionalize them by North and South, has never outvoted the Republican Party in any Civil Rights Law…Ever. The actual numbers play out like this;

    Lifetime Republican Party support for Equal Rights for all Citizens: 94%
    Lifetime Democratic Party Support for Equal rights for all Citizens: 35%

    Now to the point of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. This was a proposal that the Republican Party, during the Eisenhower Administration attempted to put forth but alas, their efforts resulted in the first Civil Rights Law in the previous 82 years…The Civil Rights Act of 1957 formed a Commission on Civil Rights. The Plan of the Commission was to eventually enact the very Comprehensive Law of 1964. Remember, this was the Bill that Senator JFK voted against, for political aspirations I’m sure.

    JFK had his Justice department write the original Bill in early 1963. The first version passed the House but stalled in the Senate. Everett McKinley Dirksen (R), the minority leader in the Senate took it upon himself to REWRITE the entire Bill. It took him 1 weekend and he had 2 helpers, 1 Democrat and another Republican.

    The final version of the 1964 Civil Rights Act was written by a Republican which means that since the Emancipation Proclamation of 1863 to the Civil Rights Act of 1964, every Civil Rights Law was written by a Republican with more Republican support than Democratic Party Support.

    Due to Dirksen’s tenacity, a cloture vote was successful and the Senate passed the Bill. It then passed the Houses and became Law.

    Some notes about its passage;

    Robert Byrd (D) filibustered the Bill…the longest filibuster in American History
    William Fulbright (D) voted against the Bill. He was Bill Clinton’s mentor.
    Al Gore Sr. (D) voted against the Bill

    Speaking to two Governors on Air Force One, then President LB Johnson was quoted saying, “"I'll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years." according Ronald Kessler's Book in relation to the Law.

    So now let’s explore the Dixicrats. This has always been misrepresented. I wrote about it in my book, and I also made a video of it. Here is the video:



    The big question is, did the South really turn “Red” after the CRA of 1964? Well, I researched that also and found the following conclusions.

    Presidential Elections (covering “The Solid South”)
    The 11 Former Confederate States

    Year Blue States Red States

    1964 6 5
    1968 6 (Segregationist Wallace took 5) 5
    1972 Landslide
    1976 Landslide
    1980 Landslide
    1984 Landslide
    1988 Landslide
    1992 4 7
    1996 4 7
    2000 0 11
    2004 0 11
    2008 3 8

    At least in Presidential elections, the Solid South wasn’t so “solid” until at least the year 2000 or 36 years after the CRA of 1964.

    Now let’s take a look at the Governorships.

    Governorships since 1964
    (The 11 former “Confederate States”)

    State Blue Red Years until a “Red” Gov. was elected

    Georgia 7 2 39 years
    Mississippi 8 2 28 years
    Alabama 9 3 23 years
    Louisiana 6 4 16 years
    Texas 5 4 15 years
    South Carolina 5 5 11 years
    Arkansas 9 3 9 years
    North Carolina 7 2 9 years
    Tennessee 5 4 7 years
    Virginia 7 5 6 years
    Florida 7 5 3 years

    Total 75 39

    That’s almost 2 to 1 Blue over Red. I looked at the facts and not the rhetoric. The facts point to a different conclusion all together. The South did not become “Solid Red” after the CRA of 1964.

    After finding out that both Martin Luther King Sr. and Jr. were Republicans, I tend to deal only in facts and not with what I’ve been told.

    Last Points

    My former party, The Democratic Party says that they are for the “minority”. In this case, I’ll just say “blacks”. I believe in neither black nor minority but I defer to their thinking for this discussion. If that’s the case, then how could the following piece of history have been erased?

    Ninety-nine percent of the country does not know the name Hiram Rhodes Revels. Here is his story and why the Democrats are not for “black” people.

    At the end of the Civil War, Jefferson Davis, the President of the Confederacy, was captured and subsequently imprisoned for 2 years. Prior to this time period, Mr. Davis was a Senator from the State of Mississippi. In 1870, the State of Mississippi filled the vacant post of Mr. Davis with one Hiram Rhodes Revels. The curious fact behind this exchange is that now Senator Hiram Rhodes Revels did not only replace the President of the Confederacy, but he was also the First Black Senator in U.S. History…and virtually nobody knows his name.

    One last point to explain this lack of universal knowledge…Jefferson Davis, The President of the Confederacy was a Democrat and his replacement, Senator Hiram Rhodes Revels, was a Republican. Democratic leadership today will never share that history with their constituents of which I once was. That led me to believe that the Democratic Party is more interested in my vote than the Truth.

    It gets bit deeper. 13 former slaves became members of Congress between 1870 and 1901. We as a nation killed our own citizens in a Civil War to FREE 4 Million slaves. 13 of those freed slaves became members of the U.S. Congress and the history books are silent to this fact. 640,000 Americans died in that war and the result was transformational yet, this groundbreaking and profound history is never taught in “left” leaning schools because it does not serve their agenda. All 13 of the former slaves were Republicans. I had to sift through the Library of Congress to reveal the following information…here it is for you in a video;



    My belief is that the Party’s did not change. The tactics changed. They went from Pro-Slavery to Pro-Segregation to Pro-Entitlement, all of which results in nothing beneficial for the prosperity of an individual and is considered by many of my ilk, “Plantation Politics”.

    All I want is the Truth and to be treated as an equal, no more and no less; as an equal. I do not need the Democratic Party telling me that I’m “black” or that I’m a minority who needs their assistance. I am not a color. I am Frantz Kebreau, an American Citizen.

    For the Democratic Party, it has always been about “Control” over Freedom. Keeping the Truth from it’s constituents in order to maintain control over them is not what I want from my “Party”

    Frantz Kebreau
    CEO, Stolen History
    Author of Stolen History
    Frantz Kebreau - Home
    If you would like more information, please take a look at the “Stolen History” Book and Audio versions at the link below.

    Stolen History

    “The Truth Shall Set You Free!!”



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    Great stuff, I didn't know this.

    "In 1870, the State of Mississippi filled the vacant post of Mr. Davis with one Hiram Rhodes Revels. o the First Black Senator in U.S. History…and virtually nobody knows his name.

    One last point to explain this lack of universal knowledge…Jefferson Davis, The President of the Confederacy was a Democrat and his replacement, Senator Hiram Rhodes Revels, was a Republican.
    . 13 of those freed slaves became members of the U.S. Congress . All 13 of the former slaves were Republicans."
    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Brown View Post
    I'm still chuckling at being "poo-pooed" for straying off topic. Awesome.

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    There was a great documentary on PBS maybe 8 years ago, with narration by Gen Powell, Condie Rice, Mrs MLK, Bill Cosby etc. It blew me away. I never knew any of that, and when I would tell people they didn't by it at all. I never really did any research into it other than what was in the documentary, but there was plenty in that. It even had that very drawing in it. They really skirted the finger pointing and nameing names as much as possible, but you knew what they were talking about. Its main thrust was the "programs" that were aimed at hold ing the blacks down. I knew Powell and Rice were not fans of affirmative action, but never knew how much, and how many others felt the same way.



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    Quote Originally Posted by SBjet View Post
    Great stuff, I didn't know this.


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    "In 1870, the State of Mississippi filled the vacant post of Mr. Davis with one Hiram Rhodes Revels. o the First Black Senator in U.S. History…and virtually nobody knows his name.

    One last point to explain this lack of universal knowledge…Jefferson Davis, The President of the Confederacy was a Democrat and his replacement, Senator Hiram Rhodes Revels, was a Republican.
    . 13 of those freed slaves became members of the U.S. Congress . All 13 of the former slaves were Republicans."
    I have been following Frantz for over a year. He is friends with Lloyd Marcus from the American Thinker and both are part of the racist Tea Party ;-) Well respected, intelligent , Conservative individuals.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ms Understood View Post
    Here is some history for you. Democrats want to control you but your to dumb to see it.
    The author of your cut and paste seems to forget the democratic party has changed over the years. So has the GOP. Back at the turn of the 20th century, the GOP was the party of progressives. If you don't believe me go read up on Teddy Roosevelt. If the GOP was the honorable party it once was when it would nominate men like Eisenhower to be President, they would still have my support, but they have evolved into the party of the super rich (which you don't seem to grasp). Because of that, I can't support them or their ever increasing radical policies. Some of the shit they come up with now makes Barry Goldwater look like a moderate. They need to quit embracing Ayn Rand's Objectivism because time has proven it to be a bunch of hooey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ram78d10 View Post
    The author of your cut and paste seems to forget the democratic party has changed over the years. So has the GOP. Back at the turn of the 20th century, the GOP was the party of progressives. If you don't believe me go read up on Teddy Roosevelt. If the GOP was the honorable party it once was when it would nominate men like Eisenhower to be President, they would still have my support, but they have evolved into the party of the super rich (which you don't seem to grasp). Because of that, I can't support them or their ever increasing radical policies. Some of the shit they come up with now makes Barry Goldwater look like a moderate. They need to quit embracing Ayn Rand's Objectivism because time has proven it to be a bunch of hooey.
    Ayn Rand's objective? What do you call Hillary and Obama's mentor Saul Alinsky?

    "A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally the last stage -- the political paradise of communism." Saul Alinsky from Rules for Radicals 1971 pg10


    The republicans weren't progressives because Teddy Roosevelt was. He left the republian party and ran as a Progressive because he couldn't get the republican nomination. Like I said ram, I don't blame you. Its your history/government teachers that let you down.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ram78d10 View Post
    They need to quit embracing Ayn Rand's Objectivism because time has proven it to be a bunch of hooey.
    This coming from a Keynes supporter. Somene called you a hypocrite in another thread. They don't know how true they are. But hell throw in a little no accomplishment arrogance and you have the evolution of a whole new ass.
    If you voted for Obama to prove you were not racist, then you better find someone else to vote for to prove your not stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ram78d10 View Post
    The author of your cut and paste seems to forget the democratic party has changed over the years. So has the GOP. Back at the turn of the 20th century, the GOP was the party of progressives. If you don't believe me go read up on Teddy Roosevelt. If the GOP was the honorable party it once was when it would nominate men like Eisenhower to be President, they would still have my support, but they have evolved into the party of the super rich (which you don't seem to grasp). Because of that, I can't support them or their ever increasing radical policies. Some of the shit they come up with now makes Barry Goldwater look like a moderate. They need to quit embracing Ayn Rand's Objectivism because time has proven it to be a bunch of hooey.
    Where is your proof? Who are the super rich?

    Warren Buffett, Steve Jobbs, Jeffrey Immelt, Oprah Winfrey??? Let's throw in 3/4's or more of Hollywood and sports figures. Should we list the banks and corporations that supported Obama? Seriously....please show me some proof on the percentages of super rich that support my party as opposed to yours.

    What you don't seem to grasp is that your party is the party of control among other things, like taking from supporters of my party to give to the lazy azz supporters of your party.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ms Understood View Post
    Where is your proof? Who are the super rich?
    Have you read this? It was written by one of your own, actually, a GOP insider. And before you denounce him, you might want to research him a little; seems he is well respected in the political arena and is a pretty stand up guy.

    Goodbye to All That: Reflections of a GOP Operative Who Left the Cult | Truthout

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