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    Default Once again Californian's rights are assaulted: "Open Carry" Gun Law AB144

    AB 144 by Assemblyman Anthony Portantino, D-La Canada Flintridge, would make it a crime to openly carry an unloaded handgun in any public place or street. Violations are a misdemeanor punishable by up to one year in jail and/or a fine of up to $1000. Law enforcement personnel are exempt as are security guards, hunters and others carrying unloaded weapons under specified licensed circumstances.

    The Assembly passed the bill in May on a 46-29 vote, and after gun-rights activists spent the summer leaning on state Senators to oppose the bill, the Senate approved it on a 21-18 vote last Thursday; the Assembly then concurred in the Senate’s amendments last Friday with a 48-30 vote last Friday, sending the bill to Gov. Jerry Brown’s desk.

    And there it sits, fate unknown. Someone in Brown’s office told me today he’s not sure what the governor will do; the Sacramento Bee is reporting that Brown says he’s going to be vetoing a slew of bills in the next few weeks, believing many of them just aren’t necessary. I’d talked with Portantino’s office yesterday, where they said they’re “cautiously optimistic” but unsure where the governor stands.

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    I read somewhere that he has untill Oct 8 to sign this and other anti gun legislation for it to become law.

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    Not completely a bad thing as this opens the door for concealed carry to be the last possible constitutionally suported/legal gun right in CA as far as carrying a weapon. They may have no choice but to allow CCW in CA.
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    Am I missing something here? My gun is unloaded in the short time one round leaves the barrell and the next is racked in or when I am cleaning it. I would not more walk around with an unloaded weapon than I would paint a target on my chest and write "please shoot here", so what is this law attempting to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5sangers View Post
    Am I missing something here? My gun is unloaded in the short time one round leaves the barrell and the next is racked in or when I am cleaning it. I would not more walk around with an unloaded weapon than I would paint a target on my chest and write "please shoot here", so what is this law attempting to do?
    The CA state legilsature passed a bill outlawing open carry in most places (AB144). It is sitting on the governor's desk waiting to be signed ito law. I have read he has until Oct 8 to sign it, or it becomes null and void. Scott is welcoming the governor signig the law because it will open the door allowing a lawsuit against the state of CA about the right to protect ones self/2nd ammendment/CCW.
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    I think if he doesn't veto it it automatically becomes law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjc View Post
    I think if he doesn't veto it it automatically becomes law.
    Correct. Arnold played that game once already.
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    I would say the idiots showing up at starbucks across the state in droves are to thank for this. I've never been a fan of open unloaded carry but it wasn't an issue until somebody had to shove it out there in everyones face and cause drama.

    Now, if in fact this was all part of a master plan to push a law against it which inturn would open a door to push for CCW, I applaud them. I doubt that's the case but who know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T&Y View Post
    I would say the idiots showing up at starbucks across the state in droves are to thank for this. I've never been a fan of open unloaded carry but it wasn't an issue until somebody had to shove it out there in everyones face and cause drama.

    Now, if in fact this was all part of a master plan to push a law against it which inturn would open a door to push for CCW, I applaud them. I doubt that's the case but who know.
    That's just a little dramatic, isn't it? "Shove it out there in everyone's faces"??? "showing up in droves"??? "Idiots"??? You mean the law abiding citizen and his/her exercising their rights? Have you been at a Starbucks when someone came in with UOC? Ever? You're the problem here and it's your kind of attitude that causes the drama, not people carrying guns. Try getting your information from the real world instead of the newspapers while you're standing in line at the grocery store.
    If people don't exercise their rights, they lose them. Whether you're a fan or not, UOC is the only legal way the state of CA has allowed anyone to carry a gun except for a very select few who qualify for CCW. You can't blame the citizenry for the laws and yes, there is a very large percentage of these people who are trying to illustrate the absurdity of UOC in hopes it will force the state to adopt a CCW law for everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelcomp View Post
    That's just a little dramatic, isn't it? "Shove it out there in everyone's faces"??? "showing up in droves"??? "Idiots"??? You mean the law abiding citizen and his/her exercising their rights? Have you been at a Starbucks when someone came in with UOC? Ever? You're the problem here and it's your kind of attitude that causes the drama, not people carrying guns. Try getting your information from the real world instead of the newspapers while you're standing in line at the grocery store.
    If people don't exercise their rights, they lose them. Whether you're a fan or not, UOC is the only legal way the state of CA has allowed anyone to carry a gun except for a very select few who qualify for CCW. You can't blame the citizenry for the laws and yes, there is a very large percentage of these people who are trying to illustrate the absurdity of UOC in hopes it will force the state to adopt a CCW law for everyone.
    I think you and T&Y are on the same side of the issue. Before I comment, you should know that I think it should be easier for a law abiding citizens who live in Urban areas to get a CCW. My county is fairly easy to get one.

    On the open carry, I have to agree with T&Y that when you see videos of 10-20 people at Starbucks with assault riffles shouldered that it doesn't help the cause. It is one thing to show up with a handgun on your hip, but average joe (that doesn't own or know anything about guns) is very intimidated by the big, scary, "black guns". I think that is the point T&Y was trying to make and if so, I would agree with his point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RogerThat99 View Post
    I think you and T&Y are on the same side of the issue. Before I comment, you should know that I think it should be easier for a law abiding citizens who live in Urban areas to get a CCW. My county is fairly easy to get one.

    On the open carry, I have to agree with T&Y that when you see videos of 10-20 people at Starbucks with assault riffles shouldered that it doesn't help the cause. It is one thing to show up with a handgun on your hip, but average joe (that doesn't own or know anything about guns) is very intimidated by the big, scary, "black guns". I think that is the point T&Y was trying to make and if so, I would agree with his point.
    If I may, I think those same people that are scared of the big scary black gun are just as scared if someone showed up with a handgun on their hip. The real problem is that many people have zero experience with guns. All they know is what they see on TV or are told, and these same people have been convinved guns are bad. We have to ask ourselves why do gun laws get passed usually. It's because people have acted inappropriately and the legislature has felt the need to keep it from happening again. 20 people showing up at starbucks brandishing unloaded firearms is inappropriate behavior, and you might have the right to act inappropriately, but that does not mean you should. Instead of showing up in public places with unloaded firearms maybe more effort should be put into trying to educate people that guns aren't bad, irresponsible gun owners are.

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    Rogerthat99 and Ram, I'm going to agree with both of you. Most people who are afraid of guns are uninformed and go by what the news or media tells them, but that's the way of the world with most things. We're not going to change that.
    The anti gun laws are both from ignorance, and the ongoing effort from a certain contingent in this country to disarm it's citizens. As a political issue for the anti-gun commies, it's a very slippery slope and not a battle most want to risk their political career on. It's why you don't hear more from Obama on gun control but make no mistake... that doesn't mean he isn't doing things to promote his agenda...he just ain't about to mention it. It's still basically political suicide in this country...thank God.
    On the guys throwing rifles over their shoulders and packing into Starbucks...I'd like to know just how often something like this really occurs. Very, very seldom, would be my guess. It probably happened once or twice and has been blown way out of proportion by the gun loving, unbiased, non sensationalistic media.
    I don't disagree that it doesn't help the cause, but it's legal. As I said before, I do know there are groups that are doing this sort of thing in an effort to illustrate the ridiculousness of the UOC laws in hopes that we can get some more "reasonable" CCW laws passed. For most people, what they don't know won't hurt them and they'd rather not know you have a gun and bury their head in the sand, than actually see one in the open.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelcomp View Post
    Rogerthat99 and Ram, I'm going to agree with both of you. Most people who are afraid of guns are uninformed and go by what the news or media tells them, but that's the way of the world with most things. We're not going to change that.
    The anti gun laws are both from ignorance, and the ongoing effort from a certain contingent in this country to disarm it's citizens. As a political issue for the anti-gun commies, it's a very slippery slope and not a battle most want to risk their political career on. It's why you don't hear more from Obama on gun control but make no mistake... that doesn't mean he isn't doing things to promote his agenda...he just ain't about to mention it. It's still basically political suicide in this country...thank God.
    On the guys throwing rifles over their shoulders and packing into Starbucks...I'd like to know just how often something like this really occurs. Very, very seldom, would be my guess. It probably happened once or twice and has been blown way out of proportion by the gun loving, unbiased, non sensationalistic media.
    I don't disagree that it doesn't help the cause, but it's legal. As I said before, I do know there are groups that are doing this sort of thing in an effort to illustrate the ridiculousness of the UOC laws in hopes that we can get some more "reasonable" CCW laws passed. For most people, what they don't know won't hurt them and they'd rather not know you have a gun and bury their head in the sand, than actually see one in the open.
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