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    Nicely Stated....

    Could you imagine a world where Racheal Maddow or Keith Olbermann would decide our rule of law????

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    People just need to mind their own damn business. If you think an air race is risky, don't go. If you think a P51 is too old to fly like that, don't fly one. If you think Jimmy Leeward was too old to fly, then don't fly when you get that old. Some people.
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    That's not so hard to understand now is it!

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    That was great!

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    IMO I suspect that race insurance companies will not want to take this risk any longer without really cost prohibitive increases in premiums. I think the current Reno or any air races are finished with spectators anywhere near the path of the race course. 1/4 mile away viewing will be much safer but not be very exciting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombie View Post
    IMO I suspect that race insurance companies will not want to take this risk any longer without really cost prohibitive increases in premiums. I think the current Reno or any air races are finished with spectators anywhere near the path of the race course. 1/4 mile away viewing will be much safer but not be very exciting.
    I know a few people directly and indirectly involved and the consensus is at this point that Reno is finished. It's a shame.
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    That was great, thanks for posting. Interesting that today I just talked to a retired "heavy" UA Captain, and he said he read a current report that the finding of the cause of the crash was that the CG of the P51 was too far aft (outside the limits of the design parameters of the P51) which caused the violent upward turn when the trim tab came off. They surmise that the climb put a 10G stress on the aircraft and the rest is as the video just stated. All of the these racers tend to run a far aft CG, as it produces greater speed. If this race does continue on, don't be surprised if some new rules are in place for the planes...............

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombie View Post
    IMO I suspect that race insurance companies will not want to take this risk any longer without really cost prohibitive increases in premiums. I think the current Reno or any air races are finished with spectators anywhere near the path of the race course. 1/4 mile away viewing will be much safer but not be very exciting.
    A qtr mile from where? I would think the safest place would be the infield....As far as insurance, F it.....i'll sign a waiver....They have a better spectator safety record than most motor sports....Although i was never to keen on actually being directly under an airplane when it's standing on it's ear at 450 mph (well maybe just for a lap or two)...seems safer to be inside the race course with some kind of tunnel access.

    It's kinda like taking down the fence at indy....the bleachers would be the last place i would want to be.

    I wonder if that will affect the red bull pylon deal? I don't think they fly directly over spectators but they all fly a path directly
    at people...seems like the same issue...out of control is out of control....speed has little to do with it...150 or 450...if something hits somebody the outcome would be similar...
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    Myself and some friends have been discussing this quite a bit since the horrible tragedy occured. The first thing you heard was "there's gonna be lawsuits" I said not neccessarily and brought up that buying a ticket to a Nascar race-is a ticket to a Nascar race-not a guarantee of safety. Then the lawyers started saying that the airplanes are so heavily modified that every time out is an experiment- in fact the pilot was interviewed prior to the race that ended his life and he said something to the affect of we don't even know if it will fly. This is much different then a Nascar race and believe me that quote alone will have it's day in court. Did the people sitting on the Tarmac in those VIP seats know the extent of the expirementation that takes place on those airplanes?

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    And if it were not for some financial reward the lawyers would not touch this. Accidents happen everyday, this was just another unfortunate accident. I am sure this pilot didn't jump in his plane wanting to kill himself let alone others. I am sorry for the loss the families incurred but these people could have been killed coming to the races or on the way home, you just never know when it's your time........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruise Brothers Dad View Post
    And if it were not for some financial reward the lawyers would not touch this. Accidents happen everyday, this was just another unfortunate accident. I am sure this pilot didn't jump in his plane wanting to kill himself let alone others. I am sorry for the loss the families incurred but these people could have been killed coming to the races or on the way home, you just never know when it's your time........
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    Quote Originally Posted by daMoose View Post
    Myself and some friends have been discussing this quite a bit since the horrible tragedy occured. The first thing you heard was "there's gonna be lawsuits" I said not neccessarily and brought up that buying a ticket to a Nascar race-is a ticket to a Nascar race-not a guarantee of safety. Then the lawyers started saying that the airplanes are so heavily modified that every time out is an experiment- in fact the pilot was interviewed prior to the race that ended his life and he said something to the affect of we don't even know if it will fly. This is much different then a Nascar race and believe me that quote alone will have it's day in court. Did the people sitting on the Tarmac in those VIP seats know the extent of the expirementation that takes place on those airplanes?
    OK...this really chaps my ass when people do this. The pilot never said any such thing as "we don't even know if it'll fly" or anything to that literal effect and if you're using that as a premise for your reasoning and logic, you're way out of line.
    Have you ever been to an air race? Do you know the first thing about these planes or the modifications or how they're done? Do you know anything about the sanctioning bodies that over-see any of this sport? There is no guarantee on any day, at any event, in any circumstance that something terrible won't happen and these air races are no different. Any one of those aircraft could have had the same fate, and in fact, the aircraft itself is most likely not the reason for this incident.
    Please voice an opinion, but don't repeat such nonsense as fact or take such a rediculous stand when you really know nothing about what you're talking about.
    Last edited by scott foxwell; 10-12-2011 at 08:01 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayzor View Post
    That was great, thanks for posting. Interesting that today I just talked to a retired "heavy" UA Captain, and he said he read a current report that the finding of the cause of the crash was that the CG of the P51 was too far aft (outside the limits of the design parameters of the P51) which caused the violent upward turn when the trim tab came off. They surmise that the climb put a 10G stress on the aircraft and the rest is as the video just stated. All of the these racers tend to run a far aft CG, as it produces greater speed. If this race does continue on, don't be surprised if some new rules are in place for the planes...............
    I would tend to disagree with that assessment. The trim tab just doesn't contribute that much control or represent enough percentage of the overall area of the control surface. Design limits and parameters of "the P51" pretty much go out the window when you alter the design as much as these guys do. This isn't the first or only P51 to have it's wings clipped, the belly scoop removed and the canopy moodified. Anyone ever heard of teh Red Baron? These are purely racing vehicles no different than the most exotic, highly modified race cars and there really is no "norm" for weight and balance other than what the revised engineering and aero will dictate.
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