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    MSNBC Interview with Jonathan Gruber, former Romney health care consultant, MIT professor of economics:

    O'Donnell: "Come on, come clean. You were in the room with Obama discussing health care reform and you did in fact work with the Romney administration in Massachusetts. Come on, professor, you gotta tell us the truth here."

    GRUBER: The truth is that the Affordable Care Act is essentially based on what we accomplished in Massachusetts. It's the same basic structure applied nationally. John McDonough, one of the other advisors who worked in both Massachusetts and advised the White House said it's the Massachusetts bill with three more zeros, and that's basically a good description of what the federal bill did.


    O'Donnell: "So, obviously, the Massachusetts experience, with it was part of what moved him in the direction that -- where he ended up?"

    GRUBER: You know when I was advising both the Obama administration and Congress throughout 2009, the number of times I got asked, "How did you do it in Massachusetts? What made it work in Massachusetts?" the administration and the Congress were taking a big leap into unknown territory, and the fact that they had that example to lean on was so, I think, comforting to them in taking that step.


    O'Donnell says, "Romney makes a very strong point about the Obama bill is full of taxes to pay for it, and the Romney bill did not have tax increases in it to pay for it."

    GRUBER: Yeah, that's technically true, but intellectually not really straightforward. Basically in Massachusetts the financing for our bill came half from the federal government and half from an existing tax that former governor and presidential candidate Michael Dukakis had put in 1988 to finance care for the uninsured. So we didn't have to raise tax in Massachusetts 'cause the money was already there. At the federal level we didn't have that luxury. It wasn't like China was gonna come pay half the cost of the Affordable Care Act. There was no bigger government coming to help us out, and so we needed to raise taxes to finance it.


    So in conclusion 49 other states' tax payers helped support Romney Care. You guys have a problem with the Affordable healthcare act but see nothing wrong with 49 other states' tax payers paying for a service they recieve no benefits from and still support this guy. Halarious to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icy View Post
    MSNBC Interview with Jonathan Gruber, former Romney health care consultant, MIT professor of economics:

    O'Donnell: "Come on, come clean. You were in the room with Obama discussing health care reform and you did in fact work with the Romney administration in Massachusetts. Come on, professor, you gotta tell us the truth here."

    GRUBER: The truth is that the Affordable Care Act is essentially based on what we accomplished in Massachusetts. It's the same basic structure applied nationally. John McDonough, one of the other advisors who worked in both Massachusetts and advised the White House said it's the Massachusetts bill with three more zeros, and that's basically a good description of what the federal bill did.


    O'Donnell: "So, obviously, the Massachusetts experience, with it was part of what moved him in the direction that -- where he ended up?"

    GRUBER: You know when I was advising both the Obama administration and Congress throughout 2009, the number of times I got asked, "How did you do it in Massachusetts? What made it work in Massachusetts?" the administration and the Congress were taking a big leap into unknown territory, and the fact that they had that example to lean on was so, I think, comforting to them in taking that step.


    O'Donnell says, "Romney makes a very strong point about the Obama bill is full of taxes to pay for it, and the Romney bill did not have tax increases in it to pay for it."

    GRUBER: Yeah, that's technically true, but intellectually not really straightforward. Basically in Massachusetts the financing for our bill came half from the federal government and half from an existing tax that former governor and presidential candidate Michael Dukakis had put in 1988 to finance care for the uninsured. So we didn't have to raise tax in Massachusetts 'cause the money was already there. At the federal level we didn't have that luxury. It wasn't like China was gonna come pay half the cost of the Affordable Care Act. There was no bigger government coming to help us out, and so we needed to raise taxes to finance it.


    So in conclusion 49 other states' tax payers helped support Romney Care. You guys have a problem with the Affordable healthcare act but see nothing wrong with 49 other states' tax payers paying for a service they recieve no benefits from and still support this guy. Halarious to me.
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    So you two are saying that if Romney should win the GOP nomination you are voting against him, correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post
    So you two are saying that if Romney should win the GOP nomination you are voting against him, correct?
    I have three choices, vote for Romney and vote for the lesser of the two evils and watch the country continue on it's current path, only off of warp speed.

    OR

    Vote for the DNC candidate. It will speed up the destruction so maybe I will be alive to see whatever it rebuilds into after the revolution or brutal suppression of citizens, if I live. That way when I'm 55 or 65 and the crap hits the fan I won't have paid into systems I don't agree with for my entire life and have nothing to show for it and then also have to deal with a revolution or suppression when I'm old.

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    Don't vote.

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    Pretty exciting choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icy View Post
    . . . vote for Romney and vote for the lesser of the two evils and watch the country continue on it's current path, only off of warp speed.
    There is no perfect candidate! There will never be the perfect candidate! He/she does not exist!
    Every vote cast by hard working, clear thinking Americans will contain a measure of the lesser of evils as you say. If you read QJ's list of what defines the perfect candidate, you will quickly see why this candidate could never surface. With all the issues at hand, we have to decide what qualities a candidate possesses and weigh them against the flaws that come in the package.
    The simple facts are this:
    * Every GOP candidate wants to curb government spending.
    * Every GOP candidate wants to reduce the scope and size of the Federal Government.
    * Every GOP candidate wants to balance our budget.
    * Every GOP candidate wants to curb special interest spending and entitlement spending.
    * Every GOP candidate wants the immediate de-funding and elimination of KenyanKare.
    * Every GOP candidate has business experience managing people, balancing budgets and understands the importance of free enterprise being bolstered.
    * Not one of the GOP candidates is afraid of exposing their past nor needs to seal their records.
    * None of these GOP candidates associate with Chicago Goons, communists, socialists, tax cheats, etc. nor would any such folks be appointed to their cabinet.
    * All of the GOP candidates want better controls on the Federal Reserve with regular audits made public.
    * Not one of these GOP candidates is less informed on foreign relations than the Kenyan.
    * Foreign aid cutbacks is part of every one of their plans.
    * All of these GOP candidates are clearly aware that Israel is a vital ally to America.

    . . . in short, every one of these GOP candidates would be an exponential improvement for America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post
    There is no perfect candidate! There will never be the perfect candidate! He/she does not exist!
    Every vote cast by hard working, clear thinking Americans will contain a measure of the lesser of evils as you say. If you read QJ's list of what defines the perfect candidate, you will quickly see why this candidate could never surface. With all the issues at hand, we have to decide what qualities a candidate possesses and weigh them against the flaws that come in the package.
    The simple facts are this:
    * Every GOP candidate wants to curb government spending.
    * Every GOP candidate wants to reduce the scope and size of the Federal Government.
    * Every GOP candidate wants to balance our budget.
    * Every GOP candidate wants to curb special interest spending and entitlement spending.
    * Every GOP candidate wants the immediate de-funding and elimination of KenyanKare.
    * Every GOP candidate has business experience managing people, balancing budgets and understands the importance of free enterprise being bolstered.
    * Not one of the GOP candidates is afraid of exposing their past nor needs to seal their records.
    * None of these GOP candidates associate with Chicago Goons, communists, socialists, tax cheats, etc. nor would any such folks be appointed to their cabinet.
    * All of the GOP candidates want better controls on the Federal Reserve with regular audits made public.
    * Not one of these GOP candidates is less informed on foreign relations than the Kenyan.
    * Foreign aid cutbacks is part of every one of their plans.
    * All of these GOP candidates are clearly aware that Israel is a vital ally to America.

    . . . in short, every one of these GOP candidates would be an exponential improvement for America.
    I agree Doc. I would like to have a true, electable Conservative, but as I said before, I will hold my nose once again and vote for Romney or any one of these GOP candidates. We must get Hussein out.

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    At some point in the primaries, repealing Obamacare is going to be a huge topic. And Romney is going to have to deal with it, or get buried. Sooner or later he will have to denounce Romney care, and like every other bad medicine, the sooner the better. If he digs in hes heels and stands by Romney care, I seriously doubt he can win the nomination. He is already in serious trouble with the conservatives of the midwest. They can back with a candidate that consults crystal ball easier than one that has no plans to repeal Obama care. Jobs and Obama care will win this election. The sooner he denounce it as a mistake the better he will be. Obama dropped that bigoted racist minister like a hot rock and come thru it no problem. Romney needs to do the same and soon.



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    Quote Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post
    So you two are saying that if Romney should win the GOP nomination you are voting against him, correct?
    I think the reality for many is they will simply stay home. Right wrong or indifferent, that's just a fact. But then again that could be the same scenario for many candidates. For me personally, I think the guy is little more than a spoon fed ____. He draws a very similar path through life much like a previous President.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gn7 View Post
    At some point in the primaries, repealing Obamacare is going to be a huge topic. And Romney is going to have to deal with it, or get buried. Sooner or later he will have to denounce Romney care, and like every other bad medicine, the sooner the better. If he digs in hes heels and stands by Romney care, I seriously doubt he can win the nomination. He is already in serious trouble with the conservatives of the midwest. They can back with a candidate that consults crystal ball easier than one that has no plans to repeal Obama care. Jobs and Obama care will win this election. The sooner he denounce it as a mistake the better he will be. Obama dropped that bigoted racist minister like a hot rock and come thru it no problem. Romney needs to do the same and soon.
    Romney already screwed the pooch on that deal. From the very beginning he should been all about admitting the mistake, learned the lesson and "As your newly elected president the first thing on my list will be the total obliteration of the thing known as obamacare'.

    He didn't do it so either he thinks it wasn't a mistake
    or he is unwilling to admit that he might have made a mistake...
    or he just doesn't think it's important.....And any of those answers puts him so far down my list that the only one below him is BO....
    Both him and Perry shot themselves in the foot.....Perry somehow thinks that helping fence jumpers out with a college education
    will actually benefit the rest of us.... Bad enough he could think like that....he is so proud he tells the world....I guess he doesn't see the value in leaving his personal opinions at home and supporting the opinions of the majority of the people that he needs to vote for him. That earned him 3rd from the bottom on my list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post
    There is no perfect candidate! There will never be the perfect candidate! He/she does not exist!
    Every vote cast by hard working, clear thinking Americans will contain a measure of the lesser of evils as you say.

    . . . in short, every one of these GOP candidates would be an exponential improvement for America.
    I agree with you Doc...

    Quote Originally Posted by SoldHondaBoughtHondo View Post
    Romney already screwed the pooch on that deal. From the very beginning he should been all about admitting the mistake, learned the lesson and "As your newly elected president the first thing on my list will be the total obliteration of the thing known as obamacare'.

    He didn't do it so either he thinks it wasn't a mistake
    or he is unwilling to admit that he might have made a mistake...
    or he just doesn't think it's important.....And any of those answers puts him so far down my list that the only one below him is BO....
    Both him and Perry shot themselves in the foot.....Perry somehow thinks that helping fence jumpers out with a college education
    will actually benefit the rest of us.... Bad enough he could think like that....he is so proud he tells the world....I guess he doesn't see the value in leaving his personal opinions at home and supporting the opinions of the majority of the people that he needs to vote for him. That earned him 3rd from the bottom on my list.






    For me, Bachman is still #1 pick but I know she isn't viable which leaves Cain as my first pick right now as the most viable and most grounded... I will go with him IF he stays in...



    Romneycare/Obamacare is a huge issue for me...

    Perry is done in my book with his soft stance on mexicans invading our country, G.W. was cut from the same cloth in my book... I didn't like it then w/G.W. and I don't like it now...

    Perry hasn't made any moves in TX to shore up the problem since G.W. left office and this is a TOP priority for me SO MUCH SO that I couldn't choose which is a bigger issue - the Mexico invasion OR the bulging Federal Budget... I want to see hard action like AZ has taken to curb the flow of invaders...

    IF Perry was elected I dont think that he would stand in the way of AZ type legislation to stem the flow of invaders but I don't think that it should ever come what AZ has been forced into... The POTUS should be addressing the problem head on and not stonewalling...
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