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    I just found out that two of my good and long time friends are in jail after spanking a 10 yr old girl that they adopted with a wooden dowel rod... She is the fifth child they have adopted and they have fostered MANY children after their own son and daughter got married and moved out on their own...

    Both are being held on 250K each cash only bond... She is a R.N. with many medical credentials but not working since she is raising FIVE little kids, he is a general contractor and works pretty much by himself trimming/remodeling with no real way of having any income if he is locked up OR tied up in legal proceedings for this fiasco... These are FELONY charges that have been filed against them...


    I got spanked with far far worse MANY MANY times... When I left home I wrote my parents a letter thanking them for loving me and caring enough to punish me when I did wrong...

    Since when did it become against the law to punish your children...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2manymustangs View Post
    Since when did it become against the law to punish your children...
    It's not. Are you sure you know the whole story? What necessitated the use of something other than a hand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RodnJen View Post
    It's not. Are you sure you know the whole story? What necessitated the use of something other than a hand?
    No, I dont know the whole story SO I dont know what prompted the incident... I do know that they have felony charges...

    For me it depended on WHO was doing the spanking... My dad used his belt, switches from the weeping willow tree or bridle straps from his horse tack... My mom used a pancake turner, paddle, metal spatula, or one of her cake decorating metal things that ended up being a bent up dealio and she still has it/uses it... We laugh about it often... BUT it was never a hand unless it was a thump on the head from my dad...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2manymustangs View Post
    No, I dont know the whole story SO I dont know what prompted the incident... I do know that they have felony charges...

    For me it depended on WHO was doing the spanking... My dad used his belt, switches from the weeping willow tree or bridle straps from his horse tack... My mom used a pancake turner, paddle, metal spatula, or one of her cake decorating metal things that ended up being a bent up dealio and she still has it/uses it... We laugh about it often... BUT it was never a hand unless it was a thump on the head from my dad...

    2mm, If you actually suffered welts, bruising, and lacerations from these 'spankings' you were an abused child. The old biblical idea of "Spare the rod, spoil the child' has led to some pretty brutal parenting which is felony level beating today. Happy you can laugh about it now. Hope you are Ok now and do not do that to your kids......really.

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    Pretty touchy subject. I can go both ways on this.
    I was spanked as a child and punched (once) as a teenage know-it-all. From what I remember, it just made me resentful and more willing to lie to avoid punishment. As a father, i have found that a swat on the butt is a good "attention" fetter but it was never used as punishment or to inflict pain. Kind of like a little finger flick on the ear. My son responds much better to being talked to and not talked at. And with that said, he is much more willing to stand up like a man (he's 7) admit he was wrong and except his punishment than I ever was.
    A lot of missing info here MM2, but i hope it was just a misunderstanding and not an actual abuse case.
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    MM aren't you in the mid west? I thought "getting taken out behind the wood shed" was still an acceptable form of discipline in the Heart Land. Don't tell me Ca liberalism has infected your neighborhood too!

    Zombie, my dad wasn't happy unless he raised a welt on your bare ass when dishing out a spanking, other wise what was the point. Being a career Marine and a drill Sargent, discipline was a corner stone of raising kids. And no, I didn't follow his example and spank my kids often and they turned out alright.

    Seriously, it sounds like there's more to this story if felony charges were filed.

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    St Louis area, yes...

    These friends are A#1 rock solid people... The neighboring county that they live in has a DFS group that is hell bent on preserving their jobs... Im good friends with husband/wife and their two grown children which are fantastic people and the daughter who is 30 now has temporary custody of the four adopted siblings... WHILE caring for her two own babies...

    My family has had plenty of dealing with this DFS district with my EX sisterinlaw the crack head and my neice... This DFS group is a bunch of dirt bags and impossible to reason/deal with as compared to other offices I have dealt with through the years with my neice and her crack head mom...

    This family in the present situation has fostered 15+ kids over the last 20 years with these five being adopted as their own... Four of the five are siblings and were found eating out of trashcans in Joplin MO (their parents were booze hounds/meth heads), the fifth is a little russian girl and she is the one that has stirred this up... They are solid people, very bad deal...

    I hope it all comes out in the wash... Dad's bond was reduced to 10K and he will be out soon, mom did the spanking and so far as I now is still being held on 250K cash only bond...

    Every Sunday after church they go to the old folks home and visit/entertain the elderly people, sing, play piano, violin... They are a special group and I know that the DFS hates that they are such solid and loving parents, it grates on them like sandpaper...
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    spending many weeks on the grand jury, i've heard lots of stuff. child abuse is a felony, if that's the charge. it all depends on the wording contained in the given state's statutes, and the facts. lots of stuff can go on behind closed doors before it ever leaks out. most all the time, the investigators compile the factual evidence. when the facts match the statute, an idictment is obtained. i've heard more unbelievable crap over the last 2 months to last awhile. it's not like tv.

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    What's a wooden dowel rod? I believe in spanking but anything that would leave more than a red mark is not good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RodnJen View Post
    It's not. Are you sure you know the whole story? What necessitated the use of something other than a hand?
    CPS doesn't differentiate between them.
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    "Abuse Of Child-Serious Emotional Injury { Felony B RSMo: 568.060 }"
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    I was spanked a few times but never without a detailed explanation. I remember a belt that did, in fact, leave a reminder for a day or two when I crossed a line I knew, quite well, never to cross. One such time was when I repeated the "N" word, I learned in school, speaking about an colored person. Never happened since in my entire life, that I can recall and I have no intention of repeating that word in my lifetime. I'm greatful for strong parents that knew the importance of love and the value of discipline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post
    I was spanked a few times but never without a detailed explanation. I remember a belt that did, in fact, leave a reminder for a day or two when I crossed a line I knew, quite well, never to cross. One such time was when I repeated the "N" word, I learned in school, speaking about an colored person. Never happened since in my entire life, that I can recall and I have no intention of repeating that word in my lifetime. I'm greatful for strong parents that knew the importance of love and the value of discipline.
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    Sounds like your "Rock solid Friends" are child abusers. There are ways to dicipline without raising a hand. Leaving marks on children is digusting and should never be justified. Justification usually comes form those whom themselves were beaten and never thought enough to end the cycle. Parenting is hard work and frustrating at times however we should never take the easy way out and just beat the shit out of a child.
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