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    Looks like they will come back with NOTHING. Naw on this awhile.





    WASHINGTON (AP) — A special deficit-reduction supercommittee appears likely to admit failure on Monday, unable or unwilling to compromise on a mix of spending cuts and tax increases required to meet its assignment of saving taxpayers at least $1.2 trillion over the coming decade.
    The panel is sputtering to a close after two months of talks in which the members were never able to get close to bridging a fundamental divide over how much to raise taxes to address a budget deficit that forced the government to borrow 36 cents of every dollar it spent last year.
    Members of the bipartisan panel, formed during the summer crisis over raising the government's borrowing limit, spent their time on Sunday in testy performances on television talk shows, blaming each other for the impasse.
    In a series of television interviews, not a single panelist seemed optimistic about any last-minute breakthrough. And it was clear that the two sides had never gotten particularly close, at least in the official exchanges of offers that were leaked to the media.
    Aides said any remaining talks had broken off.
    "There is one sticking divide. And that's the issue of what I call shared sacrifice," said panel co-chair Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., on CNN's "State of the Union."
    "The wealthiest Americans who earn over a million a year have to share too. And that line in the sand, we haven't seen Republicans willing to cross yet," she said
    Republicans said Democrats' demands on taxes were simply too great and weren't accompanied by large enough proposals to curb the explosive growth of so-called entitlement programs like Medicare and Medicaid.
    "If you look at the Democrats' position it was 'We have to raise taxes. We have to pass this jobs bill, which is another almost half-trillion dollars. And we're not excited about entitlement reform,' " countered Republican Jon Kyl of Arizona on NBC's "Meet the Press."
    Under the committee's rules, any plan would have to be unveiled Monday, but it appeared that Murray and co-chair Rep. Jeb Hensarling of Texas would instead issue a statement declaring the panel's work at a close, aides said.
    "Put a bow on it. It's done," said an aide to a supercommittee Republican.
    Failure by the panel would trigger about $1 trillion over nine years in automatic across-the-board spending cuts to a wide range of domestic programs and the Pentagon budget, starting in 2013, according to the Congressional Budget Office. This action, called a "sequester," would also generate $169 billion in savings from lower interest costs on the national debt.
    Defense Secretary Leon Panetta says the required cuts of up to $454 billion to the Pentagon would be "devastating" and leave a "hollow force." Defense hawks of Capitol Hill promise they won't allow them to be that deep.
    But that effort will be complicated by the insistence of other lawmakers that the overall amount of the budget cuts be left in place.
    "I can't imagine that, knowing of the importance of national defense, that both Democrats and Republicans wouldn't find a way to work through that process so we still get the $1.2 trillion in cuts, but it doesn't all fall on defense," said supercommittee Republican Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona.
    The panel's failure also sets up a fight within a battle-weary, dysfunctional Congress over renewing a payroll tax cut and jobless benefits for the long-term unemployed, both of which are set to expire at the end of the year. Both proposals are part of President Barack Obama's $447 billion jobs plan.
    Extending the current 2 percentage point payroll tax cut isn't a popular idea with many Republicans, but allowing it to expire could harm the economy, economists say. So too would a cutoff of unemployment benefits averaging about $300 a week to millions of people who have been out of work for more than six months.
    Serious negotiations ended Friday after Democrats rejected a $644 billion offer comprised of $543 billion in spending cuts, fees and other non-tax revenue, as well as $3 billion in tax revenue from closing a special tax break for corporate purchases of private jets. It also assumed $98 billion in reduced interest costs.
    Officials familiar with the offer said it would save the government $121 billion by requiring federal civilian workers to contribute more to their pension plans, shave $23 billion from farm and nutrition programs and generate $15 billion from new auctions of broadcast spectrum to wireless companies.
    Democrats said the plan was unbalanced because it included barely any tax revenue.
    "Our Democratic friends are unable to cut even a dollar in spending without saying it has to be accompanied by tax increases," Kyl said.
    On Saturday, Sen. Rob Portman floated an even smaller plan, said a lawmaker directly familiar with the panel's work. It, too, was rejected. The lawmaker required anonymity because of the secrecy of the talks.
    The committee faces a Wednesday deadline. But members would have to agree on the outlines of a package by Monday to allow time for drafting and assessing by the Congressional Budget Office.
    Over the past couple of weeks, the two sides have made a variety of offers and counter-offers, starting with a more than $3 trillion plan from Democrats that would have increased tax revenues by $1.3 trillion in exchange for further cuts in agency budgets, a change in the measure used to calculate cost-of-living increases for Social Security beneficiaries, and curbs on the growth of Medicare and Medicaid.
    "We put on the table a proposal that required tough compromises on both sides, and they never did that," said Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., the only House Democrat on the panel to participate in late-stage bipartisan talks.
    Republicans countered with a $1.5 trillion plan that included a potential breakthrough — $250 billion in higher taxes gleaned as Congress passes a future tax reform measure. The plan was trashed by Democrats, however, who said it would have lowered tax rates for the wealthy too far while eliminating tax breaks that chiefly benefit the middle class.
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    This is one of the events I predicted that drove me to get out of stocks several weeks ago. (Besides whats in my Schawb account where I hand picked them for long term).

    Dow to 10,500-11,000 is my guess.

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    Can the debt panel stop the Kenyan's teen-aged lottery winning type spending spree?
    Why attempt to reduce debt as long as we are spending more than we take in?

    Only a democrat would believe we can spend our way into prosperity as a nation.
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    Maybe not. The market really never expected them to come thru. They have 13 months before the triggers kick in, and there is a possibilty they could assemble another "super committee", which the whole idea is very "non democratic" IMO, or they can hash it out in full senate and house, but that will require a higher percentage than the committee deal.

    I, like youself never expected them to come thru, and neither did any other sound minded people. This is not a shock.

    Right now the market is more concerned with the Europe debt problems than the U.S. issues. But after Nov 2012 it could completely unravel. But if Greece and Italy tank before then, its not much going to matter. Jefferies will get hammered, possibly fail, with the U.S. in no condition to bail them out. The housing will be in the middle of another round failures that every one knew was coming.
    I figure by the time Obummber's one term is over he will have managed to do about all the damage you could expect from a one term president short of starting a world war. But then he does have 12 more months too go so don't count him done just yet.



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    I think everybody knew nothing would come of this. All this 1.2t over 10 years amounted to less than 2% anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjc View Post
    I think everybody knew nothing would come of this. All this 1.2t over 10 years amounted to less than 2% anyway.

    What would happen if there was a 2% budget cut across the board? Make people buy there own ass wipe at work should make it be close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EVILFORCE View Post
    What would happen if there was a 2% budget cut across the board? Make people buy there own ass wipe at work should make it be close.

    We are talking 200 billion per year savings they were trying to get. Last month the government spent 40 billion more than they took in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post
    Can the debt panel stop the Kenyan's teen-aged lottery winning type spending spree?
    Why attempt to reduce debt as long as we are spending more than we take in?

    Only a democrat would believe we can spend our way into prosperity as a nation.
    Or tax our way into prosperity. Tax and spend, that is the liberal way!
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    They can't do the job, then send 'em packin'...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shueman View Post
    They can't do the job, then send 'em packin'...
    That's what we plan to do in 2012! Only problem is liberal sheep are so plentiful and they only vote their own pocketbook with little care for the future of our nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post
    That's what we plan to do in 2012! Only problem is liberal sheep are so plentiful and they only vote their own pocketbook with little care for the future of our nation.
    Yes! The mentality of "the government's purpose is to take care of, feed, cloth, and 'employ' its populace" has to GO!!! Other wise we are burnt toast!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjc View Post
    I think everybody knew nothing would come of this. All this 1.2t over 10 years amounted to less than 2% anyway.
    It's really laughable. Cut a few bucks right now. Next yr. cut a few more.
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    I'm still chuckling at being "poo-pooed" for straying off topic. Awesome.

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    It's the same old liberal song, "tax the rich, tax the rich"..... Then we'll worry about cutting spending... Except as has been noted here many times, if they took every stinking dime those "rich people" made this year, every dime, it MIGHT support the liberal spending spree for 8 months. That's it, 240 days of current rate gov't spending..... It's laughable that the libs think a 2-5% tax increase on the rich will solve all their problems.... The "supercommittee" was doomed from the start when they ALLOWED ANY liberals on the panel..... 2012, can it come quick enough to save America from obama???
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