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    Hello everyone, I know this question has probably been asked before but I was wondering what advice anyone would be willing to offer on propping a 30 foot skater with Merc 300 XS outboards. Boat gets delivered in the spring any help would be greatly appreciated. Also can anyone offer an explanation on running the motors with the props turning in or out. Don't really understand that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nastybug View Post
    Hello everyone, I know this question has probably been asked before but I was wondering what advice anyone would be willing to offer on propping a 30 foot skater with Merc 300 XS outboards. Boat gets delivered in the spring any help would be greatly appreciated. Also can anyone offer an explanation on running the motors with the props turning in or out. Don't really understand that.
    For what it is worth.

    I have 25' Motion with twin 300xs', I run 15 1/2" x 34" 3-blade mercury cleavers. I run the props 1 3/4" above, no toe, I keep raising them until water pressure suffer. I have tried turning them in and turning them out. I actually liked the feeling of turning the blades in, but doublerigged on Screamandfly talked me into turning them out for added safety. I see 110 mph in fresh water.

    I also have a 22' Daytona Eliminator with twin 300xs, I run ventilated 4 blade bravo I's on it, the bravo's help out of the hole and through midrange, on top I like cleavers, but I have to admit the speed is about between the bravo's and cleavers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpf091959 View Post
    For what it is worth.

    I have 25' Motion with twin 300xs', I run 15 1/2" x 34" 3-blade mercury cleavers. I run the props 1 3/4" above, no toe, I keep raising them until water pressure suffer. I have tried turning them in and turning them out. I actually liked the feeling of turning the blades in, but doublerigged on Screamandfly talked me into turning them out for added safety. I see 110 mph in fresh water.

    I also have a 22' Daytona Eliminator with twin 300xs, I run ventilated 4 blade bravo I's on it, the bravo's help out of the hole and through midrange, on top I like cleavers, but I have to admit the speed is about between the bravo's and cleavers.
    Thanx JPF, I think thats What it is being rigged with. 3 blades lab finished from BBlades.
    I hear a lot about the Dewald props. Seems like they could be faster.

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    Did you buy a new one? I have a 30 inboard and also a 28 outboard (third 28). I have a lot of experience with both the 28s and 30s. Where do you live?

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    And yes, Dewalds run great on 28s - I have a set. Nobody has run them on a 30 yet......

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    Hey Rayzor, I live in Toms River NJ. Just bought it. Still in the mold. Delivers in spring. Its a 30 Flatdeck outboard with 300 xs Mercs of course. Only saw one other like it. Looks great with the rap around wind shield but I understand it shaves off speed. Im told its a great sacrifice. Its my first Skater. I came from a 21 Checkmate Pulsare. Ran 80 plus and was a chore to drive. If you didn't know what you were doin you could get killed easily. Chine walked real bad.

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    Rayzor how much were your dewalds. What have you compared them to and how much more speed did you get. Mine is being rigged with merc 3 blades lab finished from BBlades. Ive dealt with Brad there before. Nice guy very helpful.

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    You'll have a very nice rig! There have been two flat deck 30 outboards built that I know of - an orange/silver one rigged originally w/ a pair of 300XSs and a white/red/black one rigged w/ a pair of 300X motors. The orange/silver one ended up out West (lake Havasu) and he couldn't quite get 100mph out of it - so he had my buddy Joe Abellera add a third 300XS and now he's very happy with it from what I hear (now runs teens). My buddy had a 30 and kept it at my dock for an entire Summer, so I know the outboard versions pretty well also. The 3 blades work well for top end, but they vibrate and don't have a good cruise. Nobody I know runs them for everyday props. You're in good hands with BBlades - Brett has been doing props for me since he was at Mercury 15 years ago - but I still wouldn't recommend 3 blade cleavers. My buddy typically ran his 32 Bravo 1s for every day running - they were much smoother and had about a 5mph better cruise at 5,000. I personally recommend that you give Dave Dewald a call (610-926-2964) and have him send you a pair of their 5 blade 32s and a set of 4 blade 32s to try when you have your rig all broke in. Your 30 may work well with their thru-hub 5 blade that all the X-Cat guys are running in Europe. I've never tried them because they don't make anything bigger than 32 pitch - and I need 35/36s for my 28. And as for spinning in vs/ out, just trust Pete and let him set it up. I'm pretty certain he's still sending them out spinning in on the outboard 30. I could spend an hour explaining the whole in vs out thing and you may still not understand it. Anyway, good luck with it - and tell Pete I said hello next time you talk to him. - Dale Rayzor

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    Thanx again Rayzor, Gonna see Pete down in Key west in a couple days for the races. You've prob heard this before but those illusive 400 hp merc outboards are supposed to be poking their heads out very soon. The info is very reliable. Ive seen the flat deck on the web out at Havasu. I saw he was having trouble getting over 100 mph. He is running 500 feet above sea level and would have some minor loss of power. prob not enough to get him to 100. could be 10 to 15 horses. Tony at Skater said I should be able to get there but Ill believe it when I see it. Don't know what kinda driver the guy out west is. Im kind of a running on the ragged edge sort. In any event those 400s gotta show up soon so I figure Ill run it with these motors two years and get the bigger ones. Not a fan of trips. 900 hp dragging three running in the teens. Prob do the same if not better with twin 400s. Gonna be 4cycles prob Verado type but with less weight and high speed lower unit. Thanx again for the info. It was very helpful. Ill take your advice on the dewalds.

    Have you ever run the four blade Merc cleavers curious as to how they were compared to the three. Maybe I should get them from Brett lab finished right off the bat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nastybug View Post
    Thanx again Rayzor, Gonna see Pete down in Key west in a couple days for the races. You've prob heard this before but those illusive 400 hp merc outboards are supposed to be poking their heads out very soon. The info is very reliable. Ive seen the flat deck on the web out at Havasu. I saw he was having trouble getting over 100 mph. He is running 500 feet above sea level and would have some minor loss of power. prob not enough to get him to 100. could be 10 to 15 horses. Tony at Skater said I should be able to get there but Ill believe it when I see it. Don't know what kinda driver the guy out west is. Im kind of a running on the ragged edge sort. In any event those 400s gotta show up soon so I figure Ill run it with these motors two years and get the bigger ones. Not a fan of trips. 900 hp dragging three running in the teens. Prob do the same if not better with twin 400s. Gonna be 4cycles prob Verado type but with less weight and high speed lower unit. Thanx again for the info. It was very helpful. Ill take your advice on the dewalds.

    Have you ever run the four blade Merc cleavers curious as to how they were compared to the three. Maybe I should get them from Brett lab finished right off the bat.
    Those elusive 400hp Merc outboards were rumored to be coming out when I ordered my 30 back in 2004! Lol....... I don't doubt that Mercury will release a 400hp version of the Verado fairly soon, but I also doubt it will be a high performance style engine (low weight, efficient surfacing gearcase) that will work well on a cat. The guy out West is Greg Reichman who raced offshore for years........and there's really no "running on the ragged edge" with a pair of 300s on a 30 anyway - they're a very docile boat with such mild power. They're a great boat, and I'm certain you'll enjoy it very much, just don't expect it to "wow" you with how fast it is. As for the 4 blade Merc cleavers, they're good props - but not near as good as the Dewalds (at least on my 28). I've run 112 in my 28/300XSs w/ Merc 4 blades and 118 w/ Dewald 4 blades - and I'll definitely get to 120 w/ the next set of 4 blades Dave is building me right now. Good luck with your new rig, and be sure to post pics of it when you get it - I'm sure it will be beautiful! Attached are a couple pics of my 28 and 30........
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    Great pics and thanx for the additional info.Really like the paint on both. How fast does your I/O run. Guess my next skater will have to be an I/O with bigger speed . Im a speed junky and working my way up in the performance boat world. This is really my first decent performance boat. I do understand what you mean about the speed and the wow factor. 20 Years back I was in a cat running about 90, thats when I thought 90 was fast. It felt like 50 mph. Kinda a let down but also pretty cool at the same time. My Little Checkmate ran a best of 84 and chine walked really bad. Felt like 120 Ha. The smaller outboard skaters always looked to me to be running a bit edgy sometimes. Thought it may give me the rush I was hoping for. If the boat is as rock solid as you say and I have no reason to doubt that it is may be more of a let down. We'll see in the spring. Cant wait. Really liked the paint on your friends boat in havasu. gonna use a similar base on mine. Im still gonna pray for the illusive 400. Its around somewhere. Ha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nastybug View Post
    Great pics and thanx for the additional info.Really like the paint on both. How fast does your I/O run. Guess my next skater will have to be an I/O with bigger speed . Im a speed junky and working my way up in the performance boat world. This is really my first decent performance boat. I do understand what you mean about the speed and the wow factor. 20 Years back I was in a cat running about 90, thats when I thought 90 was fast. It felt like 50 mph. Kinda a let down but also pretty cool at the same time. My Little Checkmate ran a best of 84 and chine walked really bad. Felt like 120 Ha. The smaller outboard skaters always looked to me to be running a bit edgy sometimes. Thought it may give me the rush I was hoping for. If the boat is as rock solid as you say and I have no reason to doubt that it is may be more of a let down. We'll see in the spring. Cant wait. Really liked the paint on your friends boat in havasu. gonna use a similar base on mine. Im still gonna pray for the illusive 400. Its around somewhere. Ha
    Well you sure are working your way up a golden performance ladder! $300k on your first real performance boat is insane! I went from a 22 Nordic, to a 22 Talon, to a 28 Skater - then my 30. And a bunch after that! And you're correct that the smaller outboard Skaters do run "a bit edgy" as you say - but the 30 is a whole different animal than the 21, 24 and 28. The 30 is more the same size as the inboard boats, and is too big to feel edgy at all with a pair of 300s on the back. The 30 is a different animal with inboards though - mine is definitely a rush as the needle is swinging to the 160 mark on the GPS! I originally ordered my 30 as an outboard (seeing as that's truly what it's meant to have for power), but when I found out the 400hp Mercurys were just a pipe dream (as they still are), I switched over to inboard power with Arnesons - and boy am I glad I did! I would have been very disappointed to go from my 110mph 28 to a 100mph 30 after spending over twice the money. Obviously, it cost me way more to go inboards, but I don't regret my decision at all. If you plan on running in the rough a lot, you won't be let down by the performance of your 30 at all - as it's a great big water boat (much better than the 28 in the rough). However, if you plan to run mainly on smooth water and you truly are seeking a speed rush, you may want to call Pete and add a third 300 now. I've got about 20 hours in a 30 w/ twin 300XSs, and it honestly is not an exciting boat in smooth water. It's basically too good of a boat to feel exciting at 95mph - which is all it's going to do on an average day with an average load. And don't get me wrong, I think the 30 w/ a pair of 300XSs is a GREAT setup, but not if you're looking for a speed thrill on smooth water. With triples it would give you much more of that exciting and edgy feel, as it will accelerate and run a top end # like a fast 28 w/ twins - which IS a lot of fun! I attached a pic of the boat that now has triples - if your boat will look similar, it will be beautiful! Just try and not get it TOO similar, as what makes Skaters so cool is that they all have their own unique look. - Dale

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    Thanx again Rayzor. How fast does this cat run now with trips on it. Think you said you know the guy right. I actually had three Checkmates before this boat. A 1984, 1997 and my current one a 2011. Not that they're high end stuff. They were fun and fast for the size. 70 1st one 75 2nd one 84mph 3rd one. all were the 21 pulsare type hull. They were tough to drive and you had to know what you were doin due to the huge chine walk problem they have. I run in the Barnegat bay. Its about 30 miles long and a mile or so wide. Not that rough. Only gets about 3 foot chop. Does open to ocean but I would prob be inside mostly. Im gonna call tomorrow and find out how much additional cost for a third. also gonna find out whats involved with adding it later on. Would still rather have twins. Wish those damn mystery motors would show their F'n heads already. Definitely want to be over 100mph. 115 to 120 would be perfect for now. Thought i was gonna be around 105 with this. Glad i got your input before I took delivery. All this is much easier done at the factory. Thanx again, Steve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nastybug View Post
    Thanx again Rayzor. How fast does this cat run now with trips on it. Think you said you know the guy right. I actually had three Checkmates before this boat. A 1984, 1997 and my current one a 2011. Not that they're high end stuff. They were fun and fast for the size. 70 1st one 75 2nd one 84mph 3rd one. all were the 21 pulsare type hull. They were tough to drive and you had to know what you were doin due to the huge chine walk problem they have. I run in the Barnegat bay. Its about 30 miles long and a mile or so wide. Not that rough. Only gets about 3 foot chop. Does open to ocean but I would prob be inside mostly. Im gonna call tomorrow and find out how much additional cost for a third. also gonna find out whats involved with adding it later on. Would still rather have twins. Wish those damn mystery motors would show their F'n heads already. Definitely want to be over 100mph. 115 to 120 would be perfect for now. Thought i was gonna be around 105 with this. Glad i got your input before I took delivery. All this is much easier done at the factory. Thanx again, Steve.
    DO NOT base this decision on a new 400hp engine coming out soon. I told you that the same STRONG rumors were out when I was building mine back in 2004 - and that elusive 400hp motor STILL hasn't surfaced over 10 years later! I was talking face to face with Fred Hauenstein (Mercury Racing) a few years ago and he told me straight up to not expect anything more than the 300XS for a long time - if ever. I've also heard the same thing from Alex Hledin (F1 engine builder/Peter's brother). IF a 400hp motor comes out, it will most likely be a hotter version of the Verado, which is a POS. Notice that Pete's NEVER rigged one of his boats with Verados? Anyways, if you're going to be staying in inland waterways that aren't very rough, I really recommend triples if you want to go fast. For as much $$$ as you're going to have invested, I think you're going to be very disappointed. Again, if you told me you planned on normally running out in the open water, I'd say stay with the twins - as it's a much better boat for the big water without the third motor. But since you plan to stay in smooth water and want to feel the acceleration and speed of a fast boat, you definitely need a third 300. If you'd like, I can probably get you Greg's # and you can call and talk to him. IMO, it's very important you get this right the first time around - seeing as how much $$$ you're spending. I'll be very honest with you, I wouldn't own a 30 w/ twin 300XSs, they just don't have enough performance for me.

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