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Been looking at a lot of boats, always stayed clear of the boats with Fords, because im a chevy guy. But in reality I have seen a lot of nice boats with 460 power plants. I want to know if there is really a big longevity difference between the 460 454 and 455, which I see in the boats most often, especially the 455 olds. I know it has its issues, what should I be concerned about with the 460? Im pretty familiar with the 454. This is stemming from a couple boats I like that have the 460 and Berkeley jet versus the 455 boats I have seen with jacuzzi and Berkeley, pretty mixed. Oh, im looking at mini day-cruisers in the 21-22 ft range. thanks!
 

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Personally I would stay away from Olds and the Jacuzzi. Chevy would be cheaper to maintain and my personal choice, but there is nothing wrong with a Ford. The Berkeley will be a better option all around and have way better resale and parts availability. Be patient and the right boat will pop up.
 

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Personally I would stay away from Olds and the Jacuzzi. Chevy would be cheaper to maintain and my personal choice, but there is nothing wrong with a Ford. The Berkeley will be a better option all around and have way better resale and parts availability. Be patient and the right boat will pop up.

IMO: If it has a Chevy and a Berkeley/Dominator/Aggressor/American Turbine pump, then your ahead of the game for parts availability, maintenance and resale.

Even though my first boat had a 460 and it screamed!
 

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I think both Ford and Chevy make solid motors and with care and upkeep would both serve you well. While I dont have any personal experience with the 455, its my understanding it suffers from oil starvation when operated continuously at higher r's which is exactly what a jet requires, and has a propensity to wear out rod bearings. All that said, I did lose a head gasket on 460 but it was old and due for a refresh. I am looking for a boat and to be honest, I dont really care what sellers tell me, I always budget 1000-1500 for "maintenance" These motors work pretty hard turning a jet especially if you are hot foot.
 

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Thanks for the replys guys. I dont mind doing work on one, just want a good platform to start with, and prefer one that I can work on but still get out on the water with the family fairly quickly. Most of the boats around for sale seem to be a 455 with either a Berkeley or Jacuzzi pump. There is a SleekCraft that im going to look at its a 23 ft versus the 21fts that I had been looking at but its got a newer 454 with Berkeley jet, just needs some interior work. The other is an 86 centurion with Berkeley and also a 21ft Bayon with a 455 Berkeley. Im looking at 8 different boats the within 5 days, fun fun. Just want to make sure I get a decent one to start with.

How much heavier and slower are a day cruiser versus a mini cruiser?
 

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Ya, stay away from 455 olds. Seems like they are nothing but problems for most people. Unless it's dirt cheap and the hull is way nice, run. The swap from olds to chev isn't cheap...
Stick with what you like, no sense running something you don't like to work on....and figure if i can put a chev together out of junkyard parts and have it stay together anybody can.:grin:
 

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nothing wrong with a olds

the problem with Oldsmobile is that it doesn't like high rpm no more than 5000 rpm you can get more but you have put a lot of money in to them don't get me wrong ford are not cheap to build am a ford guy but there not cheap to build Chevy are better on the pocket book to build stay with Berkley pumps you can do a lot more with them and cheaper to work on good luck in your search
 

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the problem with Oldsmobile is that it doesn't like high rpm no more than 5000 rpm you can get more but you have put a lot of money in to them don't get me wrong ford are not cheap to build am a ford guy but there not cheap to build Chevy are better on the pocket book to build stay with Berkley pumps you can do a lot more with them and cheaper to work on good luck in your search
By the time you are done building an olds that will rev past 5k and stay together it's not an olds anymore.
 

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Yep!

Personally I would stay away from Olds and the Jacuzzi. Chevy would be cheaper to maintain and my personal choice, but there is nothing wrong with a Ford. The Berkeley will be a better option all around and have way better resale and parts availability. Be patient and the right boat will pop up.
X2, well said. Olds is no bueno for a jet, or anything IMO, fords work well and make good-great power, but on the same token so does a Chevy but a Chevy u will spend less to make the same power as a ford, plus on a chevy the Dizzy on the back of the motor-boat just plain looks better;)
 

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X2, well said. Olds is no bueno for a jet, or anything IMO, fords work well and make good-great power, but on the same token so does a Chevy but a Chevy u will spend less to make the same power as a ford, plus on a chevy the Dizzy on the back of the motor-boat just plain looks better;)
Looks are one thing but being able to get to the dizzy from the back seat is priceless....just saying.
 

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X2, well said. Olds is no bueno for a jet, or anything IMO, fords work well and make good-great power, but on the same token so does a Chevy but a Chevy u will spend less to make the same power as a ford, plus on a chevy the Dizzy on the back of the motor-boat just plain looks better;)
Those of us who remember the boat biz in the 70 s saw thousands of 455/jacuzzi combinations, the reason is that they work and work well. It was the perfect motor for a jet boat, however the 455 was discontinued in the late 70s and fords & Chevys took over. Only a few of the old timers know how to build a olds and you have to load the pump differently with them. On a day cruiser application the 455 will out perform the others 100% of the time on the geometry alone. Parts are still available & swapping power plants will get costly, remember it's not a day cruiser drag boat. If possible go with a Berkeley though it's a better product
 

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X2, well said. Olds is no bueno for a jet, or anything IMO, fords work well and make good-great power, but on the same token so does a Chevy but a Chevy u will spend less to make the same power as a ford, plus on a chevy the Dizzy on the back of the motor-boat just plain looks better;)

I agree with most of what you say, however if the dizzy is located located in the back and it's on a Chevy, it's probably not V-Drive. If looks and status are important, it'll be a V-Drive.
There are exceptions however.:partyguy::partyguy:
 

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I agree with most of what you say, however if the dizzy is located located in the back and it's on a Chevy, it's probably not V-Drive. If looks and status are important, it'll be a V-Drive.
There are exceptions however.:partyguy::partyguy:
Lol, yep no mention of a vdrive be me. I'm not a vdrive guy, more of a CP-Daytona jet guy. Nothing wrong with a "good" vdrive though, as long as u have a good lower back and kidney belt.:D
 

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Those of us who remember the boat biz in the 70 s saw thousands of 455/jacuzzi combinations, the reason is that they work and work well. It was the perfect motor for a jet boat, however the 455 was discontinued in the late 70s and fords & Chevys took over. Only a few of the old timers know how to build a olds and you have to load the pump differently with them. On a day cruiser application the 455 will out perform the others 100% of the time on the geometry alone. Parts are still available & swapping power plants will get costly, remember it's not a day cruiser drag boat. If possible go with a Berkeley though it's a better product
Lol, ok, everyone has there own opinion and u are bringing back up the "70s" when 455 and jacuzzi jets were the thing to have, those days are long gone along with the parts availability of either,There's a reason now days a 455-jacuzzi is not the motor-pump combo he would want to go with.
 

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I appreciate everyone's opinion and input. I looked at a few boats which i havent liked yet. On saturday im looking at an original owner 19' charger 454 berkeley jet. boat seems perfect for my needs. How much speed can i expect from a 19' cruiser with this combination, stock.

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I've always had chevy`s ,till I got my boat. Love my 460, it rocks and really has never let me down. easy to work on ,simple , and I have had no problem getting parts for a BASIC build. That being said there is less choice for a lot of stuff . Aluminum heads are almost double chevy, blower manifold in way more. In my neck of the woods I can buy a used 460 on craigslist any day for $400 -$500 no problem. bbc 's are way harder to find . so IMO run from olds, if your going race go with chevy, nothing wrong with 460 if it`s in a boat you like.
 

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I was a Chevy guy for most of my life, and then I gave Ford a shot. I haven't owned anything since. maybe I just started having a really long lucky streak, but have not had a break down in a Ford since I started driving them full-time in 1998. My jet is powered by a 460 and the availability of parts with the internet to help shop is a LOT better than it used to be.

That being said, I don't think you can go wrong with any of them, just understand the differences and limitations of each so you are shopping with your eyes open.
 

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Been looking at a lot of boats, always stayed clear of the boats with Fords, because im a chevy guy. But in reality I have seen a lot of nice boats with 460 power plants. I want to know if there is really a big longevity difference between the 460 454 and 455, which I see in the boats most often, especially the 455 olds. I know it has its issues, what should I be concerned about with the 460? Im pretty familiar with the 454. This is stemming from a couple boats I like that have the 460 and Berkeley jet versus the 455 boats I have seen with jacuzzi and Berkeley, pretty mixed. Oh, im looking at mini day-cruisers in the 21-22 ft range. thanks!
i just happen to have a nice jet boat for sale 21 ft day cruiser 460/berkeley
 
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