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I'm a bit confused about obamacare... I know the libtard controlled House and Senate lied, bribed, swindled, lied some more, and finally passed the milestone of the Affordable Care Act.... The "act" was then signed into law by the idiot in chief.... BUT, as things progressed, obama has changed some of the law, by himself.... He has granted waivers, granted delays, changed who is covered, changed who MUST be a part of the "act"... The way I understand gov't, he can't do that. He can't omit, add to, or modify the "law" passed by the Congress, and signed into law by him, without going back through the process all over again, can he??? It sure seems to me the "act" is either "as originally written", or void... What am I missing besides obama feels he is not limited by the Constitution??? Why haven't the Republicans demanded the "act" be initiated as written???.. It sure seems like Senator Cruz is trying for a Texas league Single, when he could hit one out of the park by pointing this out to the Senate and demanding a vote for "all or nothing".....
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I'm a bit confused about obamacare... I know the libtard controlled House and Senate lied, bribed, swindled, lied some more, and finally passed the milestone of the Affordable Care Act.... The "act" was then signed into law by the idiot in chief.... BUT, as things progressed, obama has changed some of the law, by himself.... He has granted waivers, granted delays, changed who is covered, changed who MUST be a part of the "act"... The way I understand gov't, he can't do that. He can't omit, add to, or modify the "law" passed by the Congress, and signed into law by him, without going back through the process all over again, can he??? It sure seems to me the "act" is either "as originally written", or void... What am I missing besides obama feels he is not limited by the Constitution??? Why haven't the Republicans demanded the "act" be initiated as written???.. It sure seems like Senator Cruz is trying for a Texas league Single, when he could hit one out of the park by pointing this out to the Senate and demanding a vote for "all or nothing".....
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How dare you talk that way!:|err

He has a Harvard Law degree, just ask him.:hmmm:

We, the lowly minions, can not be expected to understand Government law as interpreted by a great mind like his.

I honestly see no reason to even have a Supreme Court now that the messiah has been anointed.
Frankly, we have no further need for a Presidential election either.

The Emperor will rule this Country and decide with his superior intellect EXACTLY what is best for You, Mister!!:duh:

So get in line, be assigned your social status and position in life, and don't you worry about what is going on above our stations!!:shock:


 

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hil:)hil:)hil:):clapping:
And another home run from tommy..even covered all the bases:))THumbsUp

As for Ray...haven't you figured out the the reps have no leadership? boehner runs his mouth a little but he is all talk.
I bet a lot of people avoid getting sideways with obumer for fear
of freek accidents...Better to take the heat for him stepping over the legal line and getting a promotion.
Hoping Issa isn't all talk. They start bck in the IRS pretty soon and the contempt for congress deal withholder goes before a judge in a week or two.
If Boehner folds on de-funding zerocare things might get worse in a hurry. I was thinking today..something as simple as welfare and SS being 5 days late and LA will look like the Watts riots....
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SS and welfare....???

Hey, SS has nothing, repeat nothing to do with welfare. My SS check is nothing more than them giving MY money back to me in small, unlivable, monthly installments.... Kinda like a reverse mortgage, somewhere in the vast vacuum of the federal gov't is an account with my SS number on it. Sure, the account is empty, they already STOLE my money, but they know better than to try to stiff us SS recipients on the debt they owe us...
Now welfare is a whole different system altogether... Welfare takes the taxpayer's money and distributes it, but not to those that paid into the gov't, but rather to those that haven't paid a dime other than voting for obama if that is worth anything??
Whether he knows it or not, the messiah of the sheeple isn't king, (yet), and therefore doesn't have absolute power... It would be so simple for the GOP to say in-act the ACA "as written", or we go back to the drawing board, period....
By LAW, the ACA died the minute obama made ANY changes......
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Interesting assessment, so you are saying that ACA is no longer the law the libby congress and SCOTUS passed due to the fact there have been modifications made to it since then? I like that analogy but lots of laws have been ammended, altered, updated over the years and they are still laws on the books. I wish it were as easy as you desribe and a whole new review would start again. it is quite obvious that a lot of false and misleading info was put forth to sell the ACA (and still s being done). The costs have sky rocketed over what was estimated. Obviously the promises of being able to keep you health plan and doctors were lies as well due to the premium increases. O never mentioned that lots of people would lose their employer coverages and be cut down to part time employees. I wish there was another way back into SCOTUS and perhaps a different result.
 

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Congress can, no doubt...

Interesting assessment, so you are saying that ACA is no longer the law the libby congress and SCOTUS passed due to the fact there have been modifications made to it since then? I like that analogy but lots of laws have been ammended, altered, updated over the years and they are still laws on the books. I wish it were as easy as you desribe and a whole new review would start again. it is quite obvious that a lot of false and misleading info was put forth to sell the ACA (and still s being done). The costs have sky rocketed over what was estimated. Obviously the promises of being able to keep you health plan and doctors were lies as well due to the premium increases. O never mentioned that lots of people would lose their employer coverages and be cut down to part time employees. I wish there was another way back into SCOTUS and perhaps a different result.
Yes, absolutely. CONGRESS can amend, alter, modify laws previously passed by Congress... The President, by law, doesn't make the laws, Congress does, and only Congress has the Constitutional power to change them....
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....O never mentioned that lots of people would lose their employer coverages and be cut down to part time employees...
Those being cut down to part-time is the on the DEAD BEAT EMPLOYER, who never gave them HC before, trying to avoid providing HC under ACA...:))ThumbsDwn
 

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Those being cut down to part-time is the on the DEAD BEAT EMPLOYER, who never gave them HC before, trying to avoid providing HC under ACA...:))ThumbsDwn
The shining example if intellect has spoken again. Care to identify all these corporations that never gave HC who have cut their employees back to part time? Also, your sentence structure could use some work. Don't you have a granddaughter who could proof read your posts to make you look like you passed elementary school?
 

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Those being cut down to part-time is the on the DEAD BEAT EMPLOYER, who never gave them HC before, trying to avoid providing HC under ACA...:))ThumbsDwn
With HC premiums SKYROCKETING don’t you see some of ^^^ as a means for a business trying to survive in lieu of the ACA mandates???

Don’t you understand that there is a BREAKING POINT with regard to running a profitable business??? Do you have ANY concept of the costs associated with employee benefits???
 

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With HC premiums SKYROCKETING don’t you see some of ^^^ as a means for a business trying to survive in lieu of the ACA mandates???

Don’t you understand that there is a BREAKING POINT with regard to running a profitable business??? Do you have ANY concept of the costs associated with employee benefits???
Asking shue these questions, from his perspective in life, is like questioning fish about motorcycles.
 

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Yes, absolutely. CONGRESS can amend, alter, modify laws previously passed by Congress... The President, by law, doesn't make the laws, Congress does, and only Congress has the Constitutional power to change them....
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Ray, I'm with you... It would seem that there is DUE PROCESS to amend the originally crafted (cooked up) ACA that requires the House and SENATE to vote... NOT just some "executive action / siggy"...
 

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Since when has this fraud bothered with protocol? He sent our troops into Africa and Lybia without any congressional approval and is now supplying weapons to the very group that perpetrated 9/11. At what point will his own supporters either admit they hate America and want a third-world crap hole or finally admit this guy is the enemy to our founding father's principals and constitution?
 

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Those being cut down to part-time is the on the DEAD BEAT EMPLOYER, who never gave them HC before, trying to avoid providing HC under ACA...:))ThumbsDwn
Let's see about those dead beat employers. Either give employees healthcare as required by the government (increased coverages) and reduce income and/or go out of business, or cut hours and stay profitable. You do realize that companies are in business to make money. I'm sure that you would want to work long hours, have high stress, have everything you own on the line, and make little to nothing.

Typical statement from someone that has never had to make payroll, go through profit and loss statements, or make sure that the company is profitable so that you can continue to pay your people. You have no idea how companies work, just a socialist view of how everyone should make the same for doing nothing.
 

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Since when has this fraud bothered with protocol? He sent out troops into Africa and Lybia without any congressional approval ad is now supplying weapons to the very group that perpetrated 9/11. At what point will his own supporters either admit they hate America and want a third-world crap hole or finally admit this guy is the enemy to our founding father's principals and constitution?
The real question is; when will somebody hold him accountable? He's like a spoiled child. If nobody ever says no you can't or no you shouldn't have, how can they ever learn to follow the rules. He is a product of the blameless society. Its never been hire fault it is always someone else who caused it to be wrong.

His legacy will not be the great reformer, more like the great enabler.
 

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The real question is; when will somebody hold him accountable? He's like a spoiled child. If nobody ever says no you can't or no you shouldn't have, how can they ever learn to follow the rules. He is a product of the blameless society. Its never been hire fault it is always someone else who caused it to be wrong.

His legacy will not be the great reformer, more like the great enabler.
And who would you suggest do this? The democrat-controlled Senate? The (not so) Supreme Court? The mainstream media who has fallen asleep in his bed? The House of Representatives can't even field a team to compete in this game, due to the system that's in place.

We the People have clearly spoken against Amnesty - yet he moves forward, against gun control - yet he had Kerry sign the UN arms treaty today, against the (not so) affordable care act - yet he only exempts himself and those who passed it. We've demanded answers on Solyndra, Benghazi, Fast and Furious and a myriad of clear and obvious impeachable scandals yet, little is being done and the press continues to sweep it all carefully under their enormous rug.

I'm all ears snoc. Who is this somebody who can hold him accountable?
 

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And who would you suggest do this? The democrat-controlled Senate? The (not so) Supreme Court? The mainstream media who has fallen asleep in his bed? The House of Representatives can't even field a team to compete in this game, due to the system that's in place.

We the People have clearly spoken against Amnesty - yet he moves forward, against gun control - yet he had Kerry sign the UN arms treaty today, against the (not so) affordable care act - yet he only exempts himself and those who passed it. We've demanded answers on Solyndra, Benghazi, Fast and Furious and a myriad of clear and obvious impeachable scandals yet, little is being done and the press continues to sweep it all carefully under their enormous rug.

I'm all ears snoc. Who is this somebody who can hold him accountable?
Well if some of the elected Senators and Representatives can grow a pair and stop some of the stupid, in just over a year, maybe the voters will wake up and vote in reinforcements. And while you may think you have spoken clearly, your message is drowned out by the stereotypical BS that gets spewed with it. As a result of the hate filled rhetoric that usually dominates the far right point of view (as it is heard by most who are not from the far right), the reachable moderates and not quite extreme leaning leftists tune out the message.

If neither side wants to give an inch, we'll never be able to meet in the middle. And if we never meet in the middle and unite against the stupid shit that this administration is doing, It will be more of the same. The majority of Americans are somewhere in the middle, some lean one way or the other, but they are in the middle. So why is it, all we hear is the extreme right and the extreme left? Why can't there be a voice from the middle?
 

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Those being cut down to part-time is the on the DEAD BEAT EMPLOYER, who never gave them HC before, trying to avoid providing HC under ACA...:))ThumbsDwn
Fuck you !!!! I'm an employer and don't owe anyone health care.
I pay my own and my employees can do the same. If Ca wasn't robbing me for every last penny, I'd have some left to provide health care... But no ones owes you health care... U good for nothing blood sucking union drone !!!!! What a pos what makes you think an employer is obligated to provide you health care ??? Sure it's nice but no one owes you Health care.

Go fuck yourself that shit just pissed me off.
 

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fuck you !!!! I'm an employer and don't owe anyone health care.
I pay my own and my employees can do the same. If ca wasn't robbing me for every last penny, i'd have some left to provide health care... But no ones owes you health care... U good for nothing blood sucking union drone !!!!! What a pos what makes you think an employer is obligated to provide you health care ??? Sure it's nice but no one owes you health care.

Go fuck yourself that shit just pissed me off.
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Fuck you !!!! I'm an employer and don't owe anyone health care.
I pay my own and my employees can do the same. If Ca wasn't robbing me for every last penny, I'd have some left to provide health care... But no ones owes you health care... U good for nothing blood sucking union drone !!!!! What a pos what makes you think an employer is obligated to provide you health care ??? Sure it's nice but no one owes you Health care.

Go fuck yourself that shit just pissed me off.

Thank whoever, you didn't have to employ that turd or many like him.

I had a decent biz in Cal. before they sucked every dime out of me until I couldn't compete with those who chose to just flat out break the law. I realized california is just like the Nazis somewhat, as soon as they met resistance they changed course. This worked for a while for the Nazis until reality came knocking. The same will happen to Cal, IL, and many other states controlled by the inept. It will be a sad day but much needed for the nation to survive.

Moneypit, Unless we are willing to give up nice things and begin to just open fire we will be subject to the whims of those currently and in the future that hold control.

I'm sorry, but there is no other way at this point. They know it and are working feverishly to make sure we have few options.

Wait until one last dyeing breath means little or run the gauntlet like many in the past and make a difference.

There is a reason the last free generation has and is being locked behind doors in what is a political correct term, nursing home.

I believe those who occupy Penn Ave. are beyond criminals. One shall simply be called a Tyrant.
 

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Those being cut down to part-time is the on the DEAD BEAT EMPLOYER, who never gave them HC before, trying to avoid providing HC under ACA...:))ThumbsDwn
Anyone wondering and asking how fuckface got elected?
I give you exhibit "A" above.

He can not see the irony in his statement.

He actually used the words "deadbeat" and "give" in the same sentence.
Schue, are you seriously saying that an employer that fails to "give" something away is a deadbeat?

I would like to point out that the biggest employers we are seeing making sweeping changes (UPS, for example) are doing it IN RESPONSE to Ocare.
I believe the number is like 15,000 of their empyloyees that actually HAD coverage; now do not have coverage?
This is what you voted for. This IS the GOAL of Ocare after all.
Single payer

Do you not understand this?
your messiah DOES NOT WANT employers or anyone else providing for workers, only the Government.

I can't believe that this escapes you.
You pulled the lever for this exact thing.

Cause and effect sort of gets by you, huh?
 
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