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I just read this article, and although long, it details how corporate America uses, abuses, and discards its employees. Hey Doc, this is how it really is whether you want to admit it or not. In case the PRF righties can't understand it, this is what OWS is protesting, this is what Zombie, I, and so many others find wrong with corporations, and this is what the right wing free market idealogues support. Read it, I dare all of you; and after you read it, if you haven't changed your position regarding big corporations at least a little bit, then I say fuck you asshole!

The Spam Factory's Dirty Secret | Mother Jones
 

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So there Ram ol buddy. You think we need to rid our selfs of these wicked corps? Your pres gave a lot of really big corps a lot of money these last few years. What ya think we should do?
 

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I just read this article, and although long, it details how corporate America uses, abuses, and discards its employees. Hey Doc, this is how it really is whether you want to admit it or not. In case the PRF righties can't understand it, this is what OWS is protesting, this is what Zombie, I, and so many others find wrong with corporations, and this is what the right wing free market idealogues support. Read it, I dare all of you; and after you read it, if you haven't changed your position regarding big corporations at least a little bit, then I say fuck you asshole!

The Spam Factory's Dirty Secret | Mother Jones
Do you get your meat from the local butcher?

If not, then it's just another example of how YOU support big corporations.
 

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Do you get your meat from the local butcher?

If not, then it's just another example of how YOU support big corporations.
Read the article, and comment on the article and the evils of corporations or STFU. Where I purchase my groceries has little to do with the shady business practices of Hormel that you seem to fully support.
 

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Read the article, and comment on the article and the evils of corporations or STFU. Where I purchase my groceries has little to do with the shady business practices of Hormel that you seem to fully support.
Yeah I figured you support corporations with your wallet every day. I bet you dont' spend the extra dollar to support the little guy. The little guy that can't compete with the prices because of the politicians you elected made the over-regulatory policies.
 

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I have not read the whole thing yet but one thing caught my eye right off the bat. Who is using illeagal labor ? Hormel or the union. Seems since the union handles the hiring and all the paperwork it is them who is accepting the forged documents. Also the time this took place. $9 to $12 an hour in 1984 is like $18 to $24 hr today. For a job you can train a monkey to do. Also RAm why didn't the reporter put just as much zealousness into reporting all the dirty tricks the union played on the corperation to get those kinds of wage contracts to begin with. threatening to destroy millions in meat if they don't get thier way. Why don't corperations do the same things unions do in a strike. Maybe burn down the union headquarters. Or send thugs to kick thier ass's on the picket line. Or slice all thier tires and break out thier windshields. Yep mother jones is a great source.:rolleyes:
 

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I have not read the whole thing yet but one thing caught my eye right off the bat. Who is using illeagal labor ? Hormel or the union. Seems since the union handles the hiring and all the paperwork it is them who is accepting the forged documents. Also the time this took place. $9 to $12 an hour in 1984 is like $18 to $24 hr today. For a job you can train a monkey to do. Also RAm why didn't the reporter put just as much zealousness into reporting all the dirty tricks the union played on the corperation to get those kinds of wage contracts to begin with. threatening to destroy millions in meat if they don't get thier way. Why don't corperations do the same things unions do in a strike. Maybe burn down the union headquarters. Or send thugs to kick thier ass's on the picket line. Or slice all thier tires and break out thier windshields. Yep mother jones is a great source.:rolleyes:
But yet you feel the need to comment?:)sphss
 

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But yet you feel the need to comment?:)sphss
I'll finish it. And I commented only on what I read so far. Maybe I would be done with it had it been a reporter who just put down the facts instaed of sensationalizing and using her great oratory skills to make you bleeding hearts cry. this story could have been done in 3 or less pages. But as usual liberals need sensationalism to make thier points since they lack facts.:D:D
 

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I just read this article, and although long, it details how corporate America uses, abuses, and discards its employees. Hey Doc, this is how it really is whether you want to admit it or not. In case the PRF righties can't understand it, this is what OWS is protesting, this is what Zombie, I, and so many others find wrong with corporations, and this is what the right wing free market idealogues support. Read it, I dare all of you; and after you read it, if you haven't changed your position regarding big corporations at least a little bit, then I say fuck you asshole!

The Spam Factory's Dirty Secret | Mother Jones
I just read your article and don't see your connection between illegals WORKING in a meat packing plant,and a bunch of low life dead beat freeloaders looking for someone else to pay their way.
This article is more about immigration problems and an excess of super cheap labor than corporate greed.
Physical labor jobs all come with a price, ask any one in their 40's who has made a living swinging a hammer, twisting a wrench or loading a truck.
It's the problem of having an excess of cheap labor that has caused wages to plummet, while government regulation has caused production cost to skyrocket.
These people came here of their own free will a had no problem filling these jobs that would have otherwise been held by someone legal.
Jobs held by legal and law abiding people are a whole lot less likely to be abused by their employer.
This is also about as bipartisan as you could get. These people get abused by Democrats and Republicans alike. To think you can hang this on the Republicans is stupid and very thinly veiled attempt at being Self righteous.
So I say, fuck you too asshole!
 

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I think the article was very poorly written and could have had more impact by sticking to and finishing each point instead of bouncing all over the board with unfinished thoughts (it was like watching Pulp fiction with multiple story lines). I had a hard time following the multiple story lines.

Regarding the problems addressed, like someone mentioned above, it is an immigration problem and a crappy, repetitive job in cold conditions...Many people do crappy, repetitive jobs in cold conditions that have long term effects on their health. Don't like it, get educated and get another job. No other jobs in your area...move.

Ram, it always sounds great to say "If I ran that company I would pay the employees a better wage", however when you go in and pay the higher wage your product will most likely no longer be priced competitively in the market and the company will never survive. I don't now what kind of profits Hormel has, but I would imagine it is a low margin, competitive business competing with manufacturers in China.
 

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clearly the article is slanted to show how those poor employees were abused, however a few key points:
  1. Porductivity increases (speeding up the line) are common pracitce in all industries. Companies that do not improve...wither and die.
  2. it was upon seeking workers comp that the employees true identity was discovered....Even in a union job, lying on an employment application is grounds for dismissal.
  3. The union struck the company and.....lost. Kind of like the grocery workers in so cal a few years back.
 

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Good article! Corporate profits above all else!! (Net sales were 5.4 billion in 2006). I wonder if our politically correct military allows Spam to be fed to our troops in Muslim nations?

On a personal reaction to the article... Yuck! I'm already very pro-vegitarian but now I may have to never eat pork again? Chicken, turkey, and farm raised salmon are bad enough! Yeech!....Pig brain slurry used in stir fry? Don't like that Chinese food much either mainly monosodium glutamate. BTW, Spam has got to be the most ungodly shit ever invented! Never buy the stuff!

Here's more info on Hormel Corp.
October 6, 2007 —
Probably best known for SPAM (the king of processed food), Hormel is a giant in the meat and poultry industry and had net sales of $5.4 billion in 2006. A multi-national corporation, Hormel has been repeatedly criticized for its opposition to strict federal guidelines and regulations of its industry. More Americans have clamored for a change, especially after the 2003 publication of Fast Food Nation, which illustrated the often dangerous conditions in which cows, chickens, pigs, and other animals are raised and slaughtered.
Hormel has supported a change in federal law to allow the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to have the final say in food labeling on fruits, nuts, and other products— but not meat and poultry, which is controlled by the Department of Agriculture. This law overrode state laws that were often more rigid than the federal law, which consumer groups such as Consumers Union believe is about less regulation, not protecting consumer safety.
Hormel is a powerful member within the American Meat Institute (AMI), which has consistently opposed strict federal regulation of the meat industry. Even after outbreaks of mad cow disease, AMI has opposed restrictions on how beef is raised, fed, and slaughtered in order to protect consumers.
Hormel is a notorious union-buster. American Dream, the 1990 Academy Award-winning documentary film, tells the story of the yearlong strike precipitated in 1985 after the company unilaterally cut hourly wages from $10.69 to $8.25 at its Austin, Minn., plant. The walkout finally ended when the company reopened the plant with permanent replacement workers.
Unlike competitors like Tyson Chicken, Hormel has not moved into the organic market. In fact, the company promotes ‘natural’ over organic (which are produced under guidelines that allow no antibiotics, chemicals, or additives) because of the expense to Hormel to change over. The company has focused on “taste and convenience” as the top priorities, then followed by an “element of being good for you.” So far, natural and organic stores and markets have not accepted Hormel’s ‘natural’ products
 

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I just read this article, and although long, it details how corporate America uses, abuses, and discards its employees. Hey Doc, this is how it really is whether you want to admit it or not. In case the PRF righties can't understand it, this is what OWS is protesting, this is what Zombie, I, and so many others find wrong with corporations, and this is what the right wing free market idealogues support. Read it, I dare all of you; and after you read it, if you haven't changed your position regarding big corporations at least a little bit, then I say fuck you asshole!

The Spam Factory's Dirty Secret | Mother Jones
It always seemed to me that the meat packing and processing industry was never a real "standout" in the arena of great working conditions, but has always been plagued with this type of bullshit. That said ever meat a guy that dreamed he was going to be a line cutter at hormel?

Americas corporate working reality ranges from this to pretty damm good, but it is not any kind of "up with people" program for sure. Being competitive in business is brutal in certain industries.

I also think Hormel has always had a reputation of being complete cocks, and have always skirted with illegality- thats said the 25 protesters that actually worked there to protest Hormel may have a point in protesting Hormel. There is plenty to complain about but also a lot that works pretty well.

The other 99.9 % should actually be occupying DC (where the rules the hated corporation play by get made) or at very least occupy a shower stall.



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Union Workers and Non-Union Workers???? I have been on both sides. I was not a good Union man. Way to many of them only do what their contract calls for. Will not do anything to help the Boss or anything not in their job description. Union workers are just that. They work for the Union and not the man that signs their check. I have no need for them.
 

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Another fine example of "rage against the machine"


It takes real discipline as shown by this fierce Torontoan - railing against the evil megacorporations ....except starbucks!, and maybe ...LL bean...and certainly not gillette...nor my backpack company.....


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Oh they will never rail against the "Liberal Corperations". Do you see them occupying Apple. Bitching about how much their new IPad will cost to replace the one stollen by thier fellow scumbag occupiers. Funny how Steve Jobs was never mentioned when they talk about overpaid CEO's when routinely he was the #1 to #3 paid CEO in the country year after year.:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

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this guy looks very typical of most of the occupiers. Directing thier angre at corperations so they don't have to accept the fact that they are where they are because of themselves. I'd be willing to bet most of the occupiers we see didn't even graduate HS.:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

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I think the article was very poorly written and could have had more impact by sticking to and finishing each point instead of bouncing all over the board with unfinished thoughts (it was like watching Pulp fiction with multiple story lines).
I made it through a page and a half and quit.

RTI, just because you have one bad apple, you don't throw the whole bushel basket out.:rolleyes:
 

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I just read your article and don't see your connection between illegals WORKING in a meat packing plant,and a bunch of low life dead beat freeloaders looking for someone else to pay their way.
This article is more about immigration problems and an excess of super cheap labor than corporate greed.
Physical labor jobs all come with a price, ask any one in their 40's who has made a living swinging a hammer, twisting a wrench or loading a truck.
It's the problem of having an excess of cheap labor that has caused wages to plummet, while government regulation has caused production cost to skyrocket.
These people came here of their own free will a had no problem filling these jobs that would have otherwise been held by someone legal.
Jobs held by legal and law abiding people are a whole lot less likely to be abused by their employer.
This is also about as bipartisan as you could get. These people get abused by Democrats and Republicans alike. To think you can hang this on the Republicans is stupid and very thinly veiled attempt at being Self righteous.
So I say, fuck you too asshole!
Right on ICM!
I think the article was very poorly written and could have had more impact by sticking to and finishing each point instead of bouncing all over the board with unfinished thoughts (it was like watching Pulp fiction with multiple story lines). I had a hard time following the multiple story lines.

Regarding the problems addressed, like someone mentioned above, it is an immigration problem and a crappy, repetitive job in cold conditions...Many people do crappy, repetitive jobs in cold conditions that have long term effects on their health. Don't like it, get educated and get another job. No other jobs in your area...move.

Ram, it always sounds great to say "If I ran that company I would pay the employees a better wage", however when you go in and pay the higher wage ( Ram wouldn't pay a better wage, he's like Joe Biden and a typical democrat, hypocrites, he want's to make someone else pay not himself)
your product will most likely no longer be priced competitively in the market and the company will never survive. I don't now what kind of profits Hormel has, but I would imagine it is a low margin, competitive business competing with manufacturers in China.
Exactly, take some responsibility for the situation your in.
As mentioned over an over, corporate greed is not a Republican created problem. Blame lies everywhere. Greed corrupts rich people and poor people. People who break the law should be punished.



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