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The only positive thing to come from all the attention to obama's record is that now, Jimmy Carter has legitimately lost his #1 ranking as the worst president the United States has ever had .....
 

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I'm missing your point.
He's blaming the farmers for taking subsidies.

Figures. I'm sure the cost of transportation, with diesel at or near $5.00 a gallon has nothing to do with it.....
 

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The complete article...

Though I dont get the point either. Unless, as thatguy pointed out, he is trying to point out that Farmers account for a portion of the "support" and government spending that Ms. U. posted about.

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See also: Agricultural policy of the United States and Food, Conservation, and Energy Act of 2008
The United States currently pays around $20 billion per year to farmers in direct subsidies as "farm income stabilization"[SUP][9][/SUP][SUP][10][/SUP][SUP][11][/SUP] via U.S. farm bills. These bills pre-date the economic turmoil of the Great Depression with the 1922 Grain Futures Act, the 1929 Agricultural Marketing Act and the 1933 Agricultural Adjustment Act creating a tradition of government support.
The beneficiaries of the subsidies have changed as agriculture in the United States has changed. In the 1930s, about 25% of the country's population resided on the nation's 6,000,000 small farms. By 1997, 157,000 large farms accounted for 72% of farm sales, with only 2% of the U.S. population residing on farms. In 2006, the top 3 states receiving subsidies were Texas (10.4%), Iowa (9.0%), and Illinois (7.6%). The Total USDA Subsidies from farms in Iowa totaled $1,212,000,000 in 2006.[SUP][12][/SUP] From 2003 to 2005 the top 1% of beneficiaries received 17% of subsidy payments.[SUP][12][/SUP] In Texas, 72% of farms do not receive government subsidies. Of the close to $1.4 Billion in subsidy payments to farms in Texas, roughly 18% of the farms receive a portion of the payments.[SUP][13][/SUP]
"Direct payment subsidies are provided without regard to the economic need of the recipients or the financial condition of the farm economy. Established in 1996, direct payments were originally meant to wean farmers off traditional subsidies that are triggered during periods of low prices for corn, wheat, soybeans, cotton, rice, and other crops."[SUP][14][/SUP]
Top states for direct payments were Iowa ($501 million), Illinois ($454 million), and Texas ($397 million). Direct payments of subsidies are limited to $40,000 per person or $80,000 per couple.[SUP][14][/SUP]
The subsidy programs give farmers extra money for their crops and guarantee a price floor. For instance in the 2002 Farm Bill, for every bushel of wheat sold, farmers were paid an extra 52 cents and guaranteed a price of 3.86 from 2002–03 and 3.92 from 2004–2007.[SUP][15][/SUP] That is, if the price of wheat in 2002 was 3.80 farmers would get an extra 58 cents per bushel (52 cents plus the $0.06 price difference).
Corn is the top crop for subsidy payments. The Energy Policy Act of 2005 mandates that billions of gallons of ethanol be blended into vehicle fuel each year, guaranteeing demand, but US corn ethanol subsidies are between $5.5 billion and $7.3 billion per year. Producers also benefitted from a federal subsidy of 51 cents per gallon, additional state subsidies, and federal crop subsidies that can bring the total to 85 cents per gallon or more. However, the federal ethanol subsidy expired December 31, 2011.[SUP][16][/SUP] (US corn-ethanol producers were shielded from competition from cheaper Brazilian sugarcane-ethanol by a 54-cent-per-gallon tariff, however that tariff also expired December 31, 2011.[SUP][17][/SUP][SUP][18][/SUP])
 

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Should I post up the CBO report with all the sudsidies over the last 4 years that went to green energy in addition to having nothing to show for it?

I can purchase the commodities that are referenced in my picture today in any grocery store, they just cost more.

I went with yes as the answer :happy:



I stand corrected, the graph only goes to 2010. We can go up to 2012 on all the unavailable and unusable commodites that came out of all that spending. WASTED BILLIONS

Link to the whole report CBO | Federal Financial Support for the Development and Production of Fuels and Energy Technologies



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Should I post up the CBO report with all the sudsidies over the last 4 years that went to green energy in addition to having nothing to show for it?

I went with yes as the answer :happy:
What they have to show for it is a pattern of taking tax dollars, creating a "corporation" not making anything, then not selling anything, then filing for bankruptcy.
The whole program stinks of grifting and the whole of us are the marks.

I have real trouble in accepting that Solyndra, A123 and so many others had or have any intention of producing anything other than a payroll with our money.

The same bullshit has and is happening in California.

It's a real shame, but no one seems to mind.
 

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What they have to show for it is a pattern of taking tax dollars, creating a "corporation" not making anything, then not selling anything, then filing for bankruptcy.
The whole program stinks of grifting and the whole of us are the marks.

I have real trouble in accepting that Solyndra, A123 and so many others had or have any intention of producing anything other than a payroll with our money.

The same bullshit has and is happening in California.

It's a real shame, but no one seems to mind.
It's addtionally frustrating that they tout this as job creation when they were spending the money and they ignore the unemployment that resulted from it.



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Oh yeah.... state of the art facility blah blah blah, gonna bring 5000 new jobs to the area blah blah blah... this is the start of our future yadda yadda yadda...

The areas people are still out of work, and those that are working are left holding the (empty) bag.
 

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He's blaming the farmers for taking subsidies.

Figures. I'm sure the cost of transportation, with diesel at or near $5.00 a gallon has nothing to do with it.....
Exactly!
And it's real easy to spot any product that has petroleum involved in it's production. Paint, glue, sandpaper. I put boats together 2 years apart. Bought same products from same places.. Most everything was +25%....If you think about it the price of oil affects every product we buy.....add to that we export almost half a trillion dollars every year to purchase oil, a product we already own and the production of it would take a large bite out of unemployment add something to everyone's prosperity, not to mention the negative affect on the middle east crazies...
It sure looks like either our leadership is just plain stupid or they are just running game on all of us.
 

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He's blaming the farmers for taking subsidies.

Figures. I'm sure the cost of transportation, with diesel at or near $5.00 a gallon has nothing to do with it.....
He didn't have one, was throwing out a diversion.
Oh yeah.... state of the art facility blah blah blah, gonna bring 5000 new jobs to the area blah blah blah... this is the start of our future yadda yadda yadda...

The areas people are still out of work, and those that are working are left holding the (empty) bag.
I regret not letting Shue answer the question first on what point he was trying to make. :happy:



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It's addtionally frustrating that they tout this as job creation when they were spending the money and they ignore the unemployment that resulted from it.
I've been saying it for a long time and President Romney agrees, "government doesn't create jobs, people do"
Government has never been involved in anything that earned a profit, unless subsidies count. Probably because we never hired a real CEO to run things..yet.
 

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I've been saying it for a long time and President Romney agrees, "government doesn't create jobs, people do"
Government has never been involved in anything that earned a profit, unless subsidies count. Probably because we never hired a real CEO to run things..yet.
Yup. 99% of the people who post here agree with that. People with capital investment, not government stimulous. The only jobs the government creates are taxpayer funded government jobs like their own.

However, Presidents policy can deter job growth ( Obama ) intead of encourage job growth like ( Romney )

That's why unemployment is still so high and more jobs are being lost every day and / or, are being warned of being in jeopardy if the job deterer gets another term.



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