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I have to believe that somehow this is what you want....Another American economic collapse! I bet it's all OBama's fault, "Right"? You guys are the biggest buffoons in the world. You are just screaming "More sanctions, More Sanctions!" while American businesses are being hurt and farmers are declaring bankruptcy- But then Bankruptcy is a glorious american business model, exploited to the fullest by our glorious leader, the great chump!

The main thing to reNember is, that the greatest Christian in the world, Vlad, is just happy as can be to see the US economy going down the tubes...So that must make you and your evangelical friends- happy-happy-happy! Tank the US and let Vlad's Russia take over...

Vlad and Donnie, making the US(SR) great again!!! (MUGA!!!!!!!!!!)

Eisenhower, Reagan, Lincoln and Nixon would have your azzes for this crap!
 

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I have to believe that somehow this is what you want....Another American economic collapse! I bet it's all OBama's fault, "Right"? You guys are the biggest buffoons in the world. You are just screaming "More sanctions, More Sanctions!" while American businesses are being hurt and farmers are declaring bankruptcy- But then Bankruptcy is a glorious american business model, exploited to the fullest by our glorious leader, the great chump!

The main thing to reNember is, that the greatest Christian in the world, Vlad, is just happy as can be to see the US economy going down the tubes...So that must make you and your evangelical friends- happy-happy-happy! Tank the US and let Vlad's Russia take over...

Vlad and Donnie, making the US(SR) great again!!! (MUGA!!!!!!!!!!)

Eisenhower, Reagan, Lincoln and Nixon would have your azzes for this crap!

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Just admit it Jet, you want another recession as bad as it can get just to get rid of Trump and it don't matter who it hurts.
 

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Just admit it Jet, you want another recession as bad as it can get just to get rid of Trump and it don't matter who it hurts.
That is a rather uninformed comment.

Anyone who understands basic economics could see the possibility and the probability early on.
When so many predicated what was going to happen, happens, it doesn't mean we wanted it too. It just means people in the know could see it coming.

MAGA -- REALITY?
Cut taxes and borrow more (Deficit Spending) to cover up for the lost revenue, but then increase military spending by 50%.
Put a Tariff on products Americans choose to buy, and then say the Chinese are paying the tariff. Even the dumbest should be able to understand that it doesn't work that way.
Farmers are being subsidized with the Tariff money, that Americans are paying. (Literally, Corporate welfare, which isn't wanted by farmers) They receive less income and losing current and future customer.
The farming industry complex supply chain is no longer needed for the products not being produced and shipped resulting in lost jobs.
As Americans, we are paying more for imported products from China and receiving less.
Because the US does influence the world, when we do stupid things, it hurts other countries too, and when they get hurt, that hurts the US in return. It's a Global Market.

WHAT DID YOU THINK WOULD HAPPEN?
It's what happens when you put someone in charge with a history of failures and bankruptcies. Even with the obvious failures, it still doesn't address his responsibility to pay his fair share of taxes while getting richer.
That is not a sign of a successful person, it's a sign of a user.

Trump blames everyone but himself for poor decisions, much like he did with his companies. The difference is, he kept the assets of the failed companies for himself and left someone else holding a bag of nothing.
When he walks away now, there is no one else to hold the empty bag except the American citizens with a lot of National debt.
Inflation comes next.
 

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It's all media hype... Listen to some of the economists instead of CNN / MSNBC... It's like screaming flash flood warning at the first sign of a cloud in the ski..
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Just admit it Jet, you want another recession as bad as it can get just to get rid of Trump and it don't matter who it hurts.

So why are you so happy with the guy who is wrecking the US economy? A) Dropping taxes on ONLY THE ultra-wealthy while screwing the middle-class, which then INCREASES the Deficit, increasing Military spending in prep for a TRUMP-war against IRAN (How many US servicemen will be killed in another Repcon Phony war?!), then raising taxes- I mean Tariffs on goods that normal Americans need to buy (Before there is any US-Made replacements)......Telling China, who bailed us out in 2009, to "go to hell!" just to make sure they won't help in the coming recession......

Why is it that every time the Repcons get into power, the Economy goes in the crapper? Is this Obama's fault? (Come on, you gotta have some stupid theory that blames Obama, "Right"?)

You can't even blame Vlad and his puppet for this- You have done it every time you have been in power over the last 20 years! Jack-azzes don't ever learn from your mistakes....("Hey, I'm gonna jump off this cliff and try to fly by flapping my arms!....My two buddies, (God rest their souls) tried it but I'm gonna do it this time!!!!!!!!!!")
 

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Boy Jet, you certainly don't need any media hype to add to the "Sky is falling" bullshit. It is so obvious that you want the middle class to hurt just to see Trump lose in 2020. Hate to tell you, but TRUMP is in the drivers seat with the power to avoid what you want so bad. Really selfish of you to wish economic issues on your fellow man... Just to oust Trump... Pent up hate will ruin your life.. You can live with 4 more years, and then Ivanka and Candy Owens in 2024 for another 8..
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It's all media hype... Listen to some of the economists instead of CNN / MSNBC... It's like screaming flash flood warning at the first sign of a cloud in the ski..
Ray

I attend meetings with economist, and the media is reporting what the economists have been worrying about for some time. The inverted curve is just a very strong indicator.

Yes, it is like, "Like screaming flash flood warning at (NOT the first, but many) the first sign of a cloud in the sky," when there is a huge tropical depression causing the clouds as reported by the weather forecasters.

The difference is, what caused the depression? This depression could have been corrected by the person who is responsible for it in the first place, but only by undoing his idea of MAGA.
Remember, he said it would be easy with the Tariffs.

Does it hurt China? I'm sure it does, but who does it hurt more?
Who borrowed money from China?

I have to ask why so many on the Right want to make this about Right & Left, or Conservative & Liberal. It's seldom that most on here discuss facts.
Trump has not acted as a Conservative. Conservatives do not increase the budget and look for ways to spend Government money.
In fact most of what he has done is just create chaos everywhere with poor results.
 

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Boy Jim there you go again answering for Jet. Why is that?
Also you want me to feel bad for farmers and yet screw the steel workers and everyone else. As I said months ago. Some of us were killed off years ago due to shitty trade deals and now they (farmers) are on the front lines its time for them to step up (like they have been so far). Like the Dems say about everything, if they cant sell what they make then they need to be retrained and move to where they can get a job. Maybe grow corn and sell it to the ethanol people would be simple change.
Also you two lie flat out about the tax cuts. 75% of households saw a cut, PERIOD (look it up). Ya some went to the rich but they pay taxes so should we discriminate against them and say this is only for this class or that class? It really don't matter what you say being I am for a flat tax across the board. Ya, poor people will have skin in the game then. If you don't pay taxes IMHO you shouldn't get to vote for people who are in charge of spending it. Maybe start going after companies like Amazon, google and facebook for some of the 100's of billions they make every year but you all would never do that because they lean left. Now Exxon on the other hand you all would drive right in the ground if you could.
 

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Boy Jet, you certainly don't need any media hype to add to the "Sky is falling" bullshit. It is so obvious that you want the middle class to hurt just to see Trump lose in 2020. Hate to tell you, but TRUMP is in the drivers seat with the power to avoid what you want so bad. Really selfish of you to wish economic issues on your fellow man... Just to oust Trump... Pent up hate will ruin your life.. You can live with 4 more years, and then Ivanka and Candy Owens in 2024 for another 8..
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So......You and the repcons help Chumpy screw the middle-class with the "Tax-cut" (That only helped the ultra-rich) and then you have the gall to claim I want the Middle-class screwed? This is like when the russians told you that Obama was going to have the US Military work with the Chinese military to take over Texas and confine all the 20 million texans to one Walmart.......But at the same time you were claiming that "Obama hates the military and the military hates him!!!!!!!!!!" Your whole theory is a mass of contradictions.

Wasn't Obama born overseas? Wasn't Obama a commie/Mussy/gay who was going to wreck the economy, shut down the military, and have all Christians eliminated? You need to prove how that all happened! Everything you now believe is just lies, that you have sucked from a Russian teat! (Who is Rupert Murdoch? A great 'merican? No...A great Australian.....who is besties with your hero Vlad!)

Meanwhile, why only 4 more years? Trump has stated very clearly that China and N. Korea have the better system; Dick-Tator for life....You need to push for the elimination of elections- the greatest president EVER is now in power...grabbing women by the Big ole "P"!

You have sold out every true conservative value....the sad thing is, you really think you are..."Right"..........Hypocrites!
 

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Boy Jim there you go again answering for Jet. Why is that?
Also you want me to feel bad for farmers and yet screw the steel workers and everyone else. As I said months ago. Some of us were killed off years ago due to shitty trade deals and now they (farmers) are on the front lines its time for them to step up (like they have been so far). Like the Dems say about everything, if they cant sell what they make then they need to be retrained and move to where they can get a job. Maybe grow corn and sell it to the ethanol people would be simple change.
Also you two lie flat out about the tax cuts. 75% of households saw a cut, PERIOD (look it up). Ya some went to the rich but they pay taxes so should we discriminate against them and say this is only for this class or that class? It really don't matter what you say being I am for a flat tax across the board. Ya, poor people will have skin in the game then. If you don't pay taxes IMHO you shouldn't get to vote for people who are in charge of spending it. Maybe start going after companies like Amazon, google and facebook for some of the 100's of billions they make every year but you all would never do that because they lean left. Now Exxon on the other hand you all would drive right in the ground if you could.
I only responded to an obviously foolish comment. I don't speak for CVXJET.

So you don't feel bad for the farmers? That's Ok, I don't either.
The point is, how does hurting the farmers help America? It doesn't.
Just because I don't feel sorry for them, doesn't mean that I think they should needlessly be harmed.

The steel industry had for years made huge profits and didn't update their mills or the process.
Many of the steel and Aluminum manufactures are in fact foreign owned.

What shitty trade deals are you talking about? If they don't want to buy from us, fK'm.
If you don't want to buy from them, then don't. You're not much into free enterprise, are you?
If you were in a business that couldn't sell your product, maybe you were in the wrong business. It seems many companies could though.
The last I remembered, you were bitching about how the Mexicans were charging less as being your problem. Now, it was the Chinese, which was it?
Recently, you were talking about how good you are doing, I think you moved or something. Sometimes that what it takes.
If the business isn't there for you, then go where it is.
Life can be bitch.

I've never said there were't tax cuts for lower incomes and I don't recall CVXJET did either.
What we said was the equality wasn't there. It benefited the extremely wealthy much more.
Whatever small tax cuts the average person received, it has more than vanished with higher prices due to the tariffs alone.

So, you think, "If you don't pay taxes IMHO you shouldn't get to vote for people who are in charge of spending it."
Where in the constitution is that indicated? You apparently support a class society.
Do you also support the idea that the more you pay, the more votes you get?
Currently the more money you spend for a candidate, the more influence you probably have now.
How's that working?
 

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I attend meetings with economist, and the media is reporting what the economists have been worrying about for some time. The inverted curve is just a very strong indicator. Yeah so was the housing bubble years prior to the 2007 recession . The left thought everyone deserved to own a home and freddie and fannie created some of the most lienent lending requirements an idiot could think of . Not the banks . They had to abide by them or they would have Obama and Acorn all over them . Hell I can produce half a dozen videos of John McCain, G Bush Jr and others urging the Dems , who were in control at the time , 2-3 yrs before the crash to reel in Freddie and Fannie . Hell ole pole smoker Barny Frank said there was no problem just a couple of days before the crash .

Yes, it is like, "Like screaming flash flood warning at (NOT the first, but many) the first sign of a cloud in the sky," when there is a huge tropical depression causing the clouds as reported by the weather forecasters.

The difference is, what caused the depression? This depression could have been corrected by the person who is responsible for it in the first place, but only by undoing his idea of MAGA.
Remember, he said it would be easy with the Tariffs.

Does it hurt China? I'm sure it does, but who does it hurt more? No pain no gain . How long are we to sit back and let china steal intellectual property from us and others . I have friend that had a nice business designing fly rods . the Chinese stole his designs and put him out of business . Or manipulate their currency ? Look at the decline in the US economy and manufacturing from the time they were let into the WTO . Something had to be done . Unfortunately prior Pres. did nothing letting it get worse and worse . Dem and Rep .
Who borrowed money from China?

I have to ask why so many on the Right want to make this about Right & Left, or Conservative & Liberal. It's seldom that most on here discuss facts.
Trump has not acted as a Conservative. Conservatives do not increase the budget and look for ways to spend Government money.
In fact most of what he has done is just create chaos everywhere with poor results.
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Yeah so was the housing bubble years prior to the 2007 recession . The left thought everyone deserved to own a home and freddie and fannie created some of the most lienent lending requirements an idiot could think of . Not the banks . They had to abide by them or they would have Obama and Acorn all over them . Hell I can produce half a dozen videos of John McCain, G Bush Jr and others urging the Dems , who were in control at the time , 2-3 yrs before the crash to reel in Freddie and Fannie . Hell ole pole smoker Barny Frank said there was no problem just a couple of days before the crash .


What do you mean Obama would be all over them in 2007? He wasn't President.

The banks were not required to make loans, that was their choice.
The requirements were lowered beyond reasonable, and we had a Republican President, or did you forget?
Generally speaking, who do you think controls the banks and the financial markets?

No pain no gain . How long are we to sit back and let china steal intellectual property from us and others . I have friend that had a nice business designing fly rods . the Chinese stole his designs and put him out of business . Or manipulate their currency ? Look at the decline in the US economy and manufacturing from the time they were let into the WTO . Something had to be done . Unfortunately prior Pres. did nothing letting it get worse and worse . Dem and Rep .

What does no pain no gain mean here?
The intellectual property theft is an issue, but that isn't what is being targeted.
Sorry if I'm skeptical about the Chinese stealing fly rod designs, but reproducing similar products is common among most industries and occupations.
For close to 9 years the American economy has made a steady improvement, so I don't know what you smoking.
The prior President's economy had a steady and reliable improvement without all of the extreme ups and downs, or even a hint of a recession.

I don't know where you're getting your information, but it's really bad information.
 

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Azman, why did you quote jim?? I have him on ignore and when you quote him it's like a backdoor around the ignore... You quoted him and posted nothing of your own??
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Edit...Are your comments in blue?? Sorry if that is the case...
 

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Azman, why did you quote jim?? I have him on ignore and when you quote him it's like a backdoor around the ignore... You quoted him and posted nothing of your own??
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Edit...Are your comments in blue?? Sorry if that is the case...
Yea Azman, why are you posting anything? Don't confuse him with facts. Moneypit doesn't want to be informed or be exposed to understand, his mind is closed to having more knowledge.
.....Yet he keeps looking at these postings. hil:)hil:)hil:)
Sorry Azman, his post is just bizarre.

Why is Moneypit posting this in the Political Forum? It should be a PM, but he just wants to bitch about something to the outside world and not contribute.
Does he think I can't see what he posts?
 

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Dang who would have thunk a boating forum libtard is qualification to be an economist. :rolleyes:

LMAO stupid idiot.



I have to believe that somehow this is what you want....Another American economic collapse! I bet it's all OBama's fault, "Right"? You guys are the biggest buffoons in the world. You are just screaming "More sanctions, More Sanctions!" while American businesses are being hurt and farmers are declaring bankruptcy- But then Bankruptcy is a glorious american business model, exploited to the fullest by our glorious leader, the great chump!

The main thing to reNember is, that the greatest Christian in the world, Vlad, is just happy as can be to see the US economy going down the tubes...So that must make you and your evangelical friends- happy-happy-happy! Tank the US and let Vlad's Russia take over...

Vlad and Donnie, making the US(SR) great again!!! (MUGA!!!!!!!!!!)

Eisenhower, Reagan, Lincoln and Nixon would have your azzes for this crap!
 

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See that is what is wrong with being in a party...You must never question anything the party tells you! You must march in lock-step with whatever the party tells you!!!!!!!!!!!! (Anytime someone disagrees with the GOP, they are labeled a Libratard, commie, etc) Up yours! I hate both parties, and I voted for Reagan and Bush 1, and never voted for Billy.....But Billy and Obama are far more Fiscally conservative than you fools! (When have you ever balanced a budget? (I bet you have huge credit-card debts)

Every time the Repcons have been in power in the last 20 years they have crashed the economy- it doesn't take much to see that is what you are going to do again. Obama was in there and the economy did just fine- slow but steady growth, then Donnie and the Chump-kissers get in there and they pull the stick ALLLLLLL the way back to "Shoot for the moon!!!!!"......And what is going to happen? It is like flying a plane...Pull it up into too steep a climb and it stalls- but that isn't enough for Trumpy's bestie Putin, so we are also getting into trade wars with China, raising prices on a number of goods that >>>ARE STILL NOT MADE HERE<<< so consumers HAVE TO BUY CHINESE CRAP AT THE HIGHER PRICES!!!!!

The thing that shows how really catastrophically stupid you are is that Trumpy keeps saying "China is going to pay the tariffs" but of course, anyone will tell you......>>>>>> ?!?!?! China will pass the cost on to consumers, so it is just like a tax on the US consumers....(were you born without brains or did you actually have them removed?)

Lies that Trumpy stated but the Repcons buy without question;

1) Mexico will pay for the wall (Hey, you got a little brown stuff on your lips)

2) China will pay for the Tariffs

3) I am the greatest president ever!!!

4) I am really smart!

5) I am a extremely successful businessman (Truth is >>>Successful CON man<<<<)

6) MAGA (Make America great again!!!!!!!!!!) Actually MUGA (Make USSR great again!!!!!!!!!)

Dumb shits selling out TRUE conservative values....You guys should be punished anytime you even mention the names Reagan, Ike, Nixon, Teddy.....
 

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Why is it that Fox only says >>>GREAT THINGS<<< about Donnie- and Russia/Putin? Why is it that more and more journalists are quiting Fox...and then stating very clearly that Fox is biased/Selling out America?

You need to round up all of these traitorous journalists and put them in concentration camps...Anyone who doesn't say the Donald is the greatest should be executed...."Right"?

Retired U.S. Army officer Ralph Peters blasted Fox News in an email to colleagues explaining his decision earlier this month to not renew his contract with the network as a "strategic analyst."
"Four decades ago, I took an oath as a newly commissioned officer," Peters said in the email, which was first reported Tuesday by BuzzFeed. "I swore to 'support and defend the Constitution,' and that oath did not expire when I took off my uniform. Today, I feel that Fox News is assaulting our constitutional order and the rule of law, while fostering corrosive and unjustified paranoia among viewers. Over my decade with Fox, I long was proud of the association. Now I am ashamed."
Continued Peters: "In my view, Fox has degenerated from providing a legitimate and much-needed outlet for conservative voices to a mere propaganda machine for a destructive and ethically ruinous administration."
Fox News, in a statement said: "Ralph Peters is entitled to his opinion despite the fact that he's choosing to use it as a weapon in order to gain attention. We are extremely proud of our top-rated primetime hosts and all of our opinion programing."
Peters, who opined about military issues and international policy on television and online, criticized the network's primetime lineup for, in his words, attacking the integrity of the FBI and special counsel Robert Mueller. He also accused network talent of embracing Russian President Vladimir Putin's agenda.
"To me, Fox News is now wittingly harming our system of government for profit," Peters wrote in the email. He gave a pass, though, to Fox Business Network, calling its staff and hosts "the grown-ups."
 
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