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"The" masheenist
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This is media slant, since I have no way to verify it really. So take it for what it is worth.

As I have said in the past, you have got to WANT peace to MAKE peace. I just don't the majority of Muslims have the mindset to exist in peace.

The comment summarizes the whole attitude, noone gives a shit what the messiah has to say.

In a sense it parallels in a way a polar societal problem WE have here.

You have got to WANT change to MAKE change. Don't just bitch about how people are treated or how you feel people treat you. What do your actions reveal to people to think of you?

Sometimes the truth hurts, but you have to be willing to do the hard work too.

Brian


Don't lecture us: Arabs tell Obama

CAIRO (AFP) – "Obama is just a prettier face. I'm sure his intentions are in the right place but I don't expect much from the man," a Cairo electrician said on Wednesday as US President Barack Obama began his much-anticipated Middle East trip.

Newspapers, analysts and ordinary Arabs warned Obama -- whose election was hailed across the region -- against emulating the policies of Bush by lecturing Muslims on democracy, and also urged him to be tough with Israel.

Obama began his tour in Saudi Arabia and will deliver a speech in Cairo on Thursday to the world's 1.5 billion Muslims, after eight years of fraught ties under his predecessor George W. Bush.

"Don't be biased towards Israel, don't interfere in countries' internal affairs and don't give lessons in democracy," said an editorial in Egypt's state-owned Rose El-Youssef newspaper.

The chief editor of Egypt's state-owned Al-Ahram, Ossama Saraya, said Obama faced demands from his team to "put pressure on the Muslim world under the pretext of democratisation and respect for human rights.

"There's nothing more absurd than putting more pressure on the Arab-Muslim world," Saraya said.

Washington's key Arab allies Egypt and Saudi Arabia have repeatedly come under criticism from international rights organisations for their poor human rights records.

"He can't help the Palestinians because of the closeness of ties between Israel and America. He can't improve the situation here (Egypt) because he'll never convince the regime to change," said taxi drive Mohammed Abdullah."

Hamas, the Islamist rulers of the Gaza Strip boycotted by the West as a terrorist group, urged Obama to put "real pressure" on Israel.

"We will judge this visit on the basis of what he will say and concrete measures that he will take," spokesman Fawzi Barhum said.

In Amman, the Jordan Times hoped that Obama -- whose electoral promise of change has grabbed hearts in the troubled Middle East -- should deliver on his pledge.

"If Obama fails in his mission of peace, the parties, and the world, might just as well prepare for more suffering and turmoil."

In Lebanon, where Sunday's parliamentary election will be monitored closely by Washington as it pits a Western-backed majority against a Hezbollah-led alliance backed by Syria and Iran, reactions were divided.

"The Americans are testing the waters," said travel agent Moufeed Shbeir. "Obama is trying to take a different route than Bush, but we'll have to wait and see the results: are they going to bomb Iran?"

In non-Arab Iran, the head of North American Studies at Tehran University said Obama should have gone to the largest Muslim nation in the world -- Indonesia -- to address Muslims.

"I personally think Obama has made a mistake by choosing Saudi Arabia and Egypt. I don't think this is going to go down well in the Muslim and Arab world," Sayed Mohammad Marandi told AFP.

"Symbolically speaking, he could have gone somewhere like Indonesia," he said.

Saudi Arabia's Al-Riyadh newspaper warned Muslims against having high expectations. "The Islamic world should not think that Obama is coming to be an ally or a supporter," an editorial said.

United Arab Emirates Vice President Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum warned Obama that the worsening economic situation would strengthen extremism in the Islamic world.

"Those young men, who are increasingly bored (due to growing unemployment), will be easy prey for those promoting extremism and hostility, mainly against the United States," he wrote in Al-Khaleej.

Beirut-based analyst Paul Salem, who heads the Carnegie Middle East Centre, said he expected Arabs to be disappointed by Obama's speech.

"What they want him to say is more than what he's going to say," he said.

"They want him to say that he's going to come down hard on the Israelis, that he's going to confront the settlement policy and that he's going to push the Israelis to withdraw from the West Bank.

"Of course that is what every Arab would like to hear."

On the streets of Cairo, which were getting a facelift ahead of Obama's speech, citizens were more concerned about traffic jams than regional diplomacy on Wednesday.

"What's he going to do for us? Lower the price of bread? If he does, then he's welcome here," said 38-year-old cafe worker Ahmed Abdel Salam.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090603/wl_mideast_afp/usmideastdiplomacyarab_20090603200137
 

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Has a pretty resounding theme eh, it's pretty much the same as everything I have been hearing on the various media sources lately INCLUDING the heavily Liberal filtered/biased NPR...

If that is the theme on NPR you can bet your a$$ that the true feelings are FAR stronger...

THas why I started the thread about him making it out alive...
 

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Doesnt sound like the Muslims want anything to do with him.
 

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Doesnt sound like the Muslims want anything to do with him.
That apology tour is going really well, Mr. President! :rolleyes:

Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said on Thursday the United States was "deeply hated" in the Middle East and that Israel is a "cancerous tumor in the heart" of the Muslim world.

Khamenei, speaking on the same day President Obama was due to give a major speech to the Islamic world in Cairo, said the hatred felt toward America could not be changed with "slogans," according to a Reuters report.

"The nations of this part of the world ... deeply hate America," the news agency quoted Khamenei as saying.

"Even if they give sweet and beautiful (speeches) to the Muslim nation ... that will not create change," he said in a televised speech. "Action is needed."
When is this guy (Obama), along with the rest of the liberal left, going to realize that there is evil in the world? You can't talk to evil, sadistic people, and you sure as hell can't reason with them. Obama says Iran has the right to nuclear power, but he thinks all nations should be rid of nuclear weapons, including the US. Are you kidding me? These people hate us! He needs to take his Harvard law degree and move back to Kenya or Indonesia or wherever. He should have ventured over to the History or Foreign Relations departments while he was in Cambridge.
 

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While his community organizer abilities have enamored him here with the Liberal press and those seeking a milder gentler world, HusseinO's arrogance doesn't allow him to realize all the Middle Eastern Muslims want is to eliminate Israel. That is their prime mission in life and they could give a shitt about peace.

In the long run we'd be better served to just go there for business on their terms and leave them run their world as they see fit just so long as it doesn't spill over and Americans are harmed. At the same time we need to shut off all immigration from these countries and hold them to terms of visitor arrangements. Live and let live so to speak.

Spend all the money used on foreign aid to beef up our alreadty superior military technology and learn to live off our own resources, we can sit and watch for signs we need to defend ourselves here and abroad where we find friendly allies and leave the Islamic zealots to work things out as they may.

I don't see China having problems with Islamists moving in because they basically don't allow it. We need to think the same way rather than how the French and other European counties have tried and failed. Muslims will not change from whom they are and will if allowed force their bullshitt ways on others.

Piss on Muslims, we'd be better off to ban the Koran and the faith and tell whomever didn't like it to leave our borders, plain and simple, enough is enough......They won't bend and we damned sure won't break!

They don't want Democracy anymore than we want Shiara Rule so all should be happy.
 

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You racist.

While his community organizer abilities have enamored him here with the Liberal press and those seeking a milder gentler world, HusseinO's arrogance doesn't allow him to realize all the Middle Eastern Muslims want is to eliminate Israel. That is their prime mission in life and they could give a shitt about peace.

In the long run we'd be better served to just go there for business on their terms and leave them run their world as they see fit just so long as it doesn't spill over and Americans are harmed. At the same time we need to shut off all immigration from these countries and hold them to terms of visitor arrangements. Live and let live so to speak.

Spend all the money used on foreign aid to beef up our alreadty superior military technology and learn to live off our own resources, we can sit and watch for signs we need to defend ourselves here and abroad where we find friendly allies and leave the Islamic zealots to work things out as they may.

I don't see China having problems with Islamists moving in because they basically don't allow it. We need to think the same way rather than how the French and other European counties have tried and failed. Muslims will not change from whom they are and will if allowed force their bullshitt ways on others.

Piss on Muslims, we'd be better off to ban the Koran and the faith and tell whomever didn't like it to leave our borders, plain and simple, enough is enough......They won't bend and we damned sure won't break!

They don't want Democracy anymore than we want Shiara Rule so all should be happy.
 

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You racist.
You don't see me crashing planes into Pyramids do ya?????? :)devil

Let 'em fight amongst themselves, just stay over there and eventually Israel will settle them out......
 
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